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23rd November 2015, 18:46
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Here is the trace of what appears after I attempt to play the song; this is all that appears in the console:
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23rd November 2015, 18:48
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23rd November 2015, 18:56
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23rd November 2015, 18:57
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23rd November 2015, 19:01
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code: It does this endlessly until I stop playback. EDIT: Tried a song that does work and the above still appears endlessly in the console window while the song plays. |
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23rd November 2015, 19:29
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http://out-yasapi.sourceforge.net/up...debug-0.9.3.7zEdit: It would be nice if you could do this little experiment but all symptoms point to a remarkable drift between the audio and the timer used to trigger the re-filling of the buffer as the real reason for the strange behavior. Using large buffers to work around this are just curing the symptom not the root cause because large buffers just shift the point where audio and timer are hopelessly out of sync a bit further into the future. |
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23rd November 2015, 19:35
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23rd November 2015, 19:44
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 .EDIT: Not sure if this helps but as an experiment, I rolled back to v0.82 and the playback problems were gone. They seem specific to v0.9 or later. |
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23rd November 2015, 19:52
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23rd November 2015, 20:11
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http://out-yasapi.sourceforge.net/up...debug-0.9.3.7zand produce a trace from the end of that particular song? For that reason you can probably jump (seek) to the end of the song. |
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23rd November 2015, 20:28
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23rd November 2015, 20:57
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Here is what I get at the end of the song: code: |
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24th November 2015, 04:33
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Appears a "audio client started" at the beginning as usual? PHP Code:
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24th November 2015, 13:49
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24th November 2015, 19:50
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24th November 2015, 20:02
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25th November 2015, 10:38
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Thanks Peter for the new versions!
bugs (I don't have logs this time, I didn't have time to do them): 1. with the default buffer settings I don't have any playback at all in any output combination (E-push, E-pull, S-pull, S-push): the player just hangs (though there's no force close this time at all) 2. If I modify the buffers to (from top to bottom): 2.0 , 1.5 , 1.0 , then only E-push mode is working not the rest 3 (player hangs, like in point 1.). (so probably it's a buffer problem) 3. UI bugs (cosmetics): - when you hit the default button on the middle tab, the settings on the buffer tab won't change (it happened after using the new version) |
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26th November 2015, 14:05
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26th November 2015, 14:17
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v0.9.1 works for me
I am using default buffers, Push, device period default, share mode automatic and auto convert pcm. It sounds very nice. Thanks for the great work.
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27th November 2015, 15:33
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Wonder if this may help. My DAC has an LED display that shows me the current sampling rate. If I played a song at 48Khz followed by one that stalls and is a different sampling rate the previous track, my DAC still shows 48Khz until I do the trick where I seek in order to get it playing in which case the sampling rate on the display changes. The stalling is not from sampling rate changes alone though as it does not happen with every file; just something I noticed.
Hopefully it helps narrow things down a bit. EDIT: Another issue I found is files that are 32Khz will not play at all (I get unsupported format even in "Automatic" mode); older versions would switch to "shared" first to play those files. |
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29th November 2015, 14:26
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Pretty sure I am the first one using the version 0.10. Downloaded it less than 30m since it has been uploaded to Sourceforge. It is working flawlessly and I love the implementation of the graphical progress bars for the buffers. @pbelkner Nice work!
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29th November 2015, 14:47
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v0.10.0
What's new?
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29th November 2015, 15:16
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Please provide a trace with your bug report
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29th November 2015, 15:37
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29th November 2015, 22:36
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All my issues with the previous version have been totally rectified by the current version, and Winamp sounds fantastic. Great job Peter!
Edit: While listening to a song I did get a "AUDCLNT_E_BUFFER_TOO_LARGE" error, but once again increasing all the buffers to the right hand side fixed this. Do buffer settings affect sound quality at all, or only the time needed to read/start/stop songs? Edit 2: Looks like I spoke too soon. Only plays FLAC files, does not play MP3. |
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30th November 2015, 01:27
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Please provide a trace for each of the bugs you observe:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/out-....0.7z/downloadIt is close to impossible to resolve a bug by "pure thinking" when you cannot re-produce it. Quote:
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30th November 2015, 03:47
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I restarted Winamp, reset to default, and now once more it seems to be fine!
I will hold on to that trace debug file though in case it plays up again, and will post here if it does. Thank you so much for your continued assistance on this plugin, much appreciated
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30th November 2015, 05:08
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30th November 2015, 07:38
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I have a question though - you have stated that adjusting the buffer sizes does NOT affect sound quality whatsoever and only the latency. My question is if we're dealing with milliseconds - what difference does latency really matter? Why should we reduce the latency when you essentially won't notice the difference in real time and would basically need a computer program to measure this exact difference? Or is it going to be noticeable after all? Thanks
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30th November 2015, 08:44
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Each audio interface (DirectSound, ASIO ...) introduces some latency due to buffers. It's in their very nature because they need to decouple input from output via buffers. Latency is the time the audio needs to "flow" through the buffers and it's good style to reduce the buffer size to a minimum (ideally to zero) just enough to "buffer away" fluctuations from writing the input and reading the output. A buffer should e.g avoid a situation where the output needs to read and there's no input available. In such a situation you would here pops and glitches. If there where no fluctuations we would hardly need any buffers at all. |
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30th November 2015, 09:34
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Interesting, thank you
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30th November 2015, 13:58
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Thanks for the new version.
Certain songs still hang for me regardless of my settings such as this one (balance buffers does not resolve it): https://www.dropbox.com/s/njkr9g3e3u...%20Me.mp3?dl=0 here is the trace when that happens: PHP Code:
EDIT: It seems many of my MP3 files have this same issue and when I play chip tunes such as .nsf files (uses Notso Fatso's NSF plugin), Winamp freezes after I stop playback or change songs; this never happened with the previous version of your plugin. Last edited by djnforce9; 30th November 2015 at 16:05. |
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30th November 2015, 16:29
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The only thing I can propose for now is to have a another, deeper look into what's going on. Before writing the next batch Winamp issues a "canwrite" request which should return the available/free space in bytes. The only thing I can imagine is that Winamp comes to the conclusion that there's not enough space because of such a "canwrite" call and from then on forever issues "canwrite" calls. In order to test this I have introduced further trace information into a new debug version which you can download from here. In "verbose 2" level the new debug version traces what YASAPI replys to "canwrite": PHP Code:
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30th November 2015, 16:51
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30th November 2015, 17:12
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Edit: I strongly suggest to increase the size of the ring buffer. Before v0.9 the default setting was was 4.0 times the shared buffer now it is just 1.5 times. Last edited by pbelkner; 30th November 2015 at 18:46. |
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30th November 2015, 18:56
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Increasing the ring buffer resolves the issue where playback would not start on certain MP3's so thanks for that. To clarify, when I said "regardless of my settings", I meant under "Device Options".
However, the crash upon stopping playback for other plugins still persists even with the larger ring buffer size; here is a trace from when I first opened Winamp to when I pressed stop and Winamp froze: PHP Code:
EDIT: This does not happen with all input plugins. So far just playing NSF files through the NotSo Fatso plugin and the latest version of Yasapi crashes Winamp. |
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30th November 2015, 19:51
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1st December 2015, 04:13
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In order to test it I've compiled a version with the old (wrong) module id 65 you can download here. Could you please give it a try? |
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1st December 2015, 11:05
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Just tried out 0.10 in Shared+Push mode yesterday with the default settings: it's working fine!
(I didn't have time for more testing.) Thanks, Peter.I still need the Default Audio device in the device list. (I use ClockAmp to wake up my laptop in the morning, and a wget command line for switching on my avreceiver. The problem is: whenever I start winamp when my TV is on (sometimes in the night, for the next morning), there's only the TV as audio device appears in the list, but in the morning there's not TV but avreceiver, so winamp can't use the only selected TV audio device -> no sound -> maybe I'll be late from work System default would solve this problem.)Thanks |
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1st December 2015, 14:34
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Did another trace with the NSF file using the debug version you attached. Winamp locks up before it sends the "close" command (although thankfully the debug window does not freeze along with Winamp).
Here is another case where I play an NSF for a while and then hit stop. PHP Code:
http://slickproductions.org/notsofatso.php And you can grab an NSF file here: http://www.zophar.net/music/nsf.html Thank you so much for the effort in resolving this; much appreciated .EDIT: All songs play with a ring buffer of 1.64 or more; any less and certain songs will stall. |
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