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Old 11th December 2002, 01:26   #1
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Trojan Horses: Viruses or Not?

Me and a friend of mine were arguing the fact of Trojan Horses being Viruses or not. He claims no, and I claim yes. So help me: Are Trojan Horses Viruses or just spies?
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Old 11th December 2002, 01:29   #2
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No. Usually. They are not self-replicating. A trojan horse just opens a backdoor.

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Old 11th December 2002, 01:38   #3
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Trojan horse:
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A program that appears to be legitimate but is designed to have destructive effects, as to data residing in the computer onto which the program was loaded.

A malicious, security-breaking program that is disguised as
something benign, such as a directory lister, archiver, game, or (in
one notorious 1990 case on the Mac) a program to find and destroy
viruses!
Virus:
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A cracker program that searches out other programs and
`infects' them by embedding a copy of itself in them, so that they
become Trojan horses. When these programs are executed, the
embedded virus is executed too, thus propagating the `infection'.
This normally happens invisibly to the user. Unlike a worm, a
virus cannot infect other computers without assistance. It is
propagated by vectors such as humans trading programs with their
friends. The virus may do nothing but propagate itself
and then allow the program to run normally. Usually, however, after
propagating silently for a while, it starts doing things like
writing cute messages on the terminal or playing strange tricks with
the display (some viruses include nice display hacks). Many nasty
viruses, written by particularly perversely minded crackers, do
irreversible damage, like nuking all the user's files.

In the 1990s, viruses have become a serious problem, especially
among Wintel and Macintosh users; the lack of security on these
machines enables viruses to spread easily, even infecting the
operating system (Unix machines, by contrast, are immune to such
attacks). The production of special anti-virus software has become
an industry, and a number of exaggerated media reports have caused
outbreaks of near hysteria among users; many lusers tend to blame
_everything_ that doesn't work as they had expected on virus
attacks. Accordingly, this sense of `virus' has passed not only
into techspeak but into also popular usage (where it is often
incorrectly used to denote a worm or even a Trojan horse).
So theyre not the same thing.
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Old 11th December 2002, 01:43   #4
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okay, I stand corrected.
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Old 11th December 2002, 01:51   #5
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okay, I stand corrected.
You sure do, fiend Pheonix.
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Old 11th December 2002, 01:54   #6
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well...well...well...

If it isn't you who joined.

You should stay: We do maybe 3x crazier stuff here than at the JCF...
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Old 11th December 2002, 02:12   #7
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You sure do, fiend Pheonix.

trafton, welcome to our community

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Old 11th December 2002, 04:28   #8
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imagine my horror when anti viral progs started to flag my trojans

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Old 11th December 2002, 22:50   #9
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imagine my horror when anti viral progs started to flag my trojans
That's what happened to my friend Trafton...


<Trafton> Date: 9/27/02, Time: 13:22:02, Dana Anderson on TRAFTON
<Trafton> The file
<Trafton> C:\WINDOWS\Profiles\Dana Anderson\Desktop\spiffbottalk.exe
<Trafton> is infected with the Trojan Horse virus.
<Trafton> No action was taken.

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Old 13th December 2002, 20:26   #10
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So theyre not the same thing.
Ya...Atmo took what I was going to say.

Technically, they are different by definition but they have the same intent on computers --> malicious intent to destroy or affect hardware or software.

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Old 14th December 2002, 02:17   #11
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31337 That was my thought: They infect programs and have intent to do illegal or harmful things. Many Trojans are keystroke recorders, and they send this information to a source computer. A good firewall will tell you this.
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Old 14th December 2002, 02:23   #12
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Old 14th December 2002, 02:28   #13
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thats the best firewall/hacker protection money can buy, Pillin teh plug from teh wall , if the pc's off not even viruses can do damage!
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