Old 13th March 2005, 00:51   #1
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Why is AVS going down?

Well, recently we came to the topic that this forum becomes kind of "deserted". Why does this happen and what can we do against it? In my opinion AVS is the most promising visualisation mode winamp provides (concering the futher developement which is kind of broken concering the "no further developement" principle we get to know recently). Not only because of the opportunity to develope new APS's or so, but also because i like the AVS-visualisation idea most of all (just have a look what is possible with this dll).

So im asking, what went wrong? And what can we do to provide this part of the forum from dying out?

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Old 13th March 2005, 02:48   #2
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I don't have enough time to understand and make the new things work. To make presets it's taking an increasingly large amount of background knowledge to use these new APE's and other things you refer too. I may like AVS, but I can't make anything in the limited time I have.
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Old 13th March 2005, 09:35   #3
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it's not about new apes

* it's slow and therefor only usuable on small windows... but screen resolutions are getting bigger and bigger every day
* everything simple has already been done, you cant be creative
* everything complicated requires huge ammount of knowledge and creativity
* no hardware support whatsoevery
* avs it not being developed anymore
* it's impossible to do everything with apes

as you sayd that avs is promising... but it will never get any better. in the matter of fact... WE can not do anything to prevent death of avs, it is inevitable. We just need new vis.

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Old 13th March 2005, 10:16   #4
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Old 13th March 2005, 11:38   #5
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I'm no specialist concerning plugin programming, so im asking: would it be possible to create a new modernized AVS? One that bears the things jaak said? I mean a vis that has kind of hardware support but where you make presets in an editor like avs has? Recently i tried to play with milkdrop (which actually has hardware support) but the editing-menu is too confusing there.

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Old 13th March 2005, 12:20   #6
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or if it was like c++ where you write the code yourself, and then if you run the executable it would function as a preset? maybe that would make sense. write the preset, in the avs editor, and when you want, you can try it out simply by starting it.
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Old 13th March 2005, 12:30   #7
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would that be possible? I mean the idea sounds interesting and might be a solution! But wouldn't it still need some kind of plugin that can "integrate" them into winamp? Which must be coded at first, but who can do do that?

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Old 13th March 2005, 12:34   #8
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was tried before and it failed.
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Old 13th March 2005, 12:56   #9
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it's failing because i left. now i'm coming back and i promise some good eye-candy in a few days

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Old 13th March 2005, 12:58   #10
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as i thought, sometime it becomes too extensive or the involved people lose their interest... Probably such an "open source projekt" is not practicable for that purpose, perhaps something like this has to be made by professional developers.

/edit: do you mean you can finish it in the next few days??

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Shreyas! long time no seen! Welcome back!
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perhaps we are granted to have our reprieve a bit longer?!

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Old 13th March 2005, 14:41   #13
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I'm no specialist concerning plugin programming, so im asking: would it be possible to create a new modernized AVS? I mean a vis that has kind of hardware support but where you make presets in an editor like avs has?
new avs? no
completely new vis, yes

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Old 13th March 2005, 15:16   #14
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I hope that there will be a new vis someday that works with code like we know it from avs. Cause im a lazy guy, you know..
It's a pitty that i wont be able to help much on such a developement, cause i don't have any programming skills apart from avs.

Btw, i want to add some thoughts to relieve the sinking of avs: First i noticed that this part of the vis-forum is the most frequent one compared to the other parts like milkdrop etc. They seem to have a much smaller community and/or are more deserted.
Secondly, jaak you said that avs cannot keep pace with other vis cause of the resolution thing. But while the resolutions grow, the cpu-power also increases. I can't imagine that the resolution-demand increases much faster than the cpu-power. (or did i get you wrong?)

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[offtopic] Cool!! Shreyas is back
Welcome back man! [/Offtopic]

As for teh new vis....i'm all up for it as long as its as user friendly as AVS. Altho i cant do anything much to help then jus watch it being made(if it is).


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yeah, same for me too. Although i would like to help i don't have any programming skills. So you are working on it actually shreyas?

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I think time is the big issue, most people have real lives and AVS is just a hobby, so that time has to be transposed into making a new visualisation program. I can think of a lot of people with the ability to make an AVS-like visualisation happen (Me, Jheriko, Coned, Tomy, Jaak off the top of my head) its whether or not people can be bothered to take the time.

To be honest its a wider problem with open source projects, lots of talk, not much coding... it happens all the time.

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Old 14th March 2005, 12:42   #18
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like always... everybody want, no one gives

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ok as long as it's not about coding i could help out. But what kind of work has to be done that hasn't got anything to do with coding?

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About 0.1%, its all about the coding

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are you sure that someone who just learned c would be a valuable help?

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I guess your right, even if you learnt C you would be useless... gah, cant you do ANYTHING?!

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well if you'd care, i just passed a pre-exam today. Go over to the internet-café if you like a free beer on the occasion.

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well if you'd care, i just passed a pre-exam today. Go over to the internet-café if you like a free beer on the occasion.
if you:

1) can do low level optimizations in assembler
2) are able to code gui
3) know a lot about opengl and are familiar with GLSL
4) have any experience with large c++ projects (this includes being good at team work)

you might be able to help

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sorry wrong subject. Actually i'm studying chemistry.

I just mentioned it, cause i won't stand for that, if pak calls me useless!

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So who IS working on fridge?
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atm i'm writing some preliminary stuff that could maybe be used in the actual fridge, but jaak's always holding me back with his concerns

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atm i'm writing some preliminary stuff that could maybe be used in the actual fridge, but jaak's always holding me back with his concerns
not so great to do stuff without a plan nor a project leader, as there is much to take into considertation and lot of planning needs to be done.

but as coned sayd, it's good to test possible code, but not to assume that the testing code will make it to actual thingy even partly.


btw, lets stop it, ppl with get too curious and might expect too much too soon.

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what we need to do is for people with assembly, c, c++ knoledge to all work together and make a brand new avs. mayvbe even a standalone program! if i knew any programing i'd definatly try to help out.

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Oh stop it already. No one wants to hear: "I would gladly help... if i just knew C/C++/assembly/python/goatse/java/html/php/icq/...whatever"

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sorry tug, but can't you see our dilemma? We are very concerned bout avs, perhaps as much as every other of you; we just don't have any skills in programming-languages and so we're doomed to sit there and wait. That's in a similar manner nuisance for you than for us.

btw i have some basical skills at your last listed item

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one question i want to ask: who said AVS will die? that this forum is deserted? we are here, though a small community, we are here and we are interested in AVS. as long as we do that, it wont ever die. and if the forum dies, you will have winamp and AVS with it on your machine installed. i can easily make a new forum anywhere on the net, and use it for AVS purposes, should this forum die. now tell me, why is AVS going down.
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AVS is never going to be updated
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hboy.....i dont think this forum will die ever. But AVS will, this forums will always be open for technical stuff i suppose. But AVS gradully will fade away......


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Oh stop it already. No one wants to hear: "I would gladly help... if i just knew C/C++/assembly/python/goatse/java/html/php/icq/...whatever"
oooh... i can help... i have a black belt in goatse




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and if AVS doesn't improve? who cares? i don't. it was a really fun and good thing to spend a lot of time with, but seriously, is it such a big thing to care about? i don't think so.
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Shreyas! long time no seen! Welcome back!
I've been missing you..

Funny to see how everybody's slowly returning..
Atero's been around again, Ishan, Jheriko and now you.
I hope these are no pre-mortal spasms..
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But are you still creating presets?

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