Old 8th February 2003, 23:18   #321
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the "General" thing

in other words, its a live screen
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Old 8th February 2003, 23:42   #322
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Sweet!

Now a decision that has to be made... Do I make the color themes using this hack, or just use the selectable font color and leave it up to the user?

It could be confusing to some if I used both because they might select a theme which forces the font color, and if they then select a specific font color it will no longer be the color they selected because of the theme.

I think it has to be one or the other. I like the hack because I get the results I want, but it IS a hack and who knows how long it will continue to work without side effects in new builds of Winamp. The selectable color is more reliable and customizable, but can lead to awkward looking themes.

After all this fustration, I think I'm leaning towards letting the user select the font color. It's more customizable and I'm making sure that it's apparent that you can change the font color when selecting a theme. It'll be able to achieve the same results, but with more options for the user.

razmansix, or anyone else , have any thoughts on this?
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Old 8th February 2003, 23:51   #323
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Go with the option that will let the skin function for the longest time (in newer builds of winamp)
This way users will continue to use it. And I'm sure you can add a description to a color theme telling the user which color font was meant to be used with that particular theme.
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Old 8th February 2003, 23:51   #324
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very sweet

personally, i think itd be better to use color themes to chage te font. i dont know how much work you put into the user selected color, but i think its too limiting. i used ocarana after seeing it mentioned, but that only gives you a few font colors (which in invicta, will add a nice file size increase with each color, too) and there were way more themes that didnt really match. and if you are going to let forummers make themes, which i think i saw givin the OK, thats just more problems. the "hack" isnt really a hack...i cant think of anything that would be changing in future builds that would mess things up. thats just what i think
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Old 9th February 2003, 02:19   #325
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also, the font gamma should work sometime in the future and when that occurs, you can go back to the good ol' theming with a Fonts gammagroup instead of having to hassle with the General group at all. But the current, already made themes will still work without modification!

If I have to choose one, I think I'll choose the one with the most to offer and right now it's the "hack" even though it's more pain to make themes and there are SOME combination that won't be possible..
For example, if you set the General to it's max value, and then set the rest to the negation of that value to cancel it out, it won't be possible to make those groups any darker than 0..
But I highly doubt ANYONE will actually make such themes where this could be a problem..

I like the selectable font color thingy, but having the ability to COMPLETELY choose color is better and that demands gamma.

Like I said, as soon as they fix this problem you'll benefit more in this skin if you go with the hack now than you will if you dont..

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Old 9th February 2003, 10:30   #326
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The 'hack' would be better.. how many users would bother to change the colour of the font?
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Old 9th February 2003, 11:12   #327
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yea, just use the gammagroup hack

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Old 9th February 2003, 14:28   #328
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Hmmm... Ok guys, seems I'm going to use the hack then! Thanks for the feedback.
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Old 9th February 2003, 15:54   #329
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Yeah beaatch! Color themed fonts!

It really is a pain to make themes this way though. Doing this by hand is too slow of a process. I'm going to write a small script where you can enter the "General" value, then enter the individual gammagroups and the values you actually want, and it will output the groups with the offset automatically calculated.
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Old 9th February 2003, 16:00   #330
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great!

that would help alot!!
Now, users must be aware that all fonts will have the same color when they make the colorthemes..
But from what I've seen so far, this skin has the same font color everywhere anyway so it shouldn't be any problem at all here.. right?

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Old 9th February 2003, 16:09   #331
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Yeah, so far the font color is the same throughout the skin. Whoever makes a theme using this method will just have to be careful with thier font color selection since it has to work anywhere text is displayed in Winamp.
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Old 9th February 2003, 16:23   #332
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OH MY GOD... this skin color themes better than MMD3!
I'm so freaking jelous... just put out a beta PLAESE!!

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Old 9th February 2003, 22:12   #333
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Plague, and anyone else interested in making themes using the "General" technique, got something good for you here: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....462#post861462

I think this tool is really going to speed things up when making themes for this skin.
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Old 9th February 2003, 22:47   #334
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yea I saw it, it's really sweet.
I too think it will speed things up considerably when making themes..

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Old 10th February 2003, 01:27   #335
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The display seems very messy, it looks like you're using 3 different fonts, in 3 different sizes, with 3 different shades

It's the only part of the skin that i don't like, otherwise it's a god damn sexy bitch! good work
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Old 10th February 2003, 02:22   #336
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i cant help but show off how great this looks

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Old 10th February 2003, 02:26   #337
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Oh nice theme. Someone make a nice orange/black or red/black theme eh? I want one to match my bg. hehe, selfish ol' me >_<
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Old 10th February 2003, 03:08   #338
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Old 10th February 2003, 03:12   #339
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nice
tell me though, im gonna be able to fold in those vol/pos 'wings' right?? *begs*

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Old 10th February 2003, 03:29   #340
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Minimode my friend, minimode ^_^
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Old 10th February 2003, 04:04   #341
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Cool Looking great

Guys this is looking sooooo good.

I want to see a red theme myself. One of you guys who has the beta could be really nice and put one up for us. (red theme).

I want to see more of the stick mode. Hows that coming Razmansix? Any changes you want to share?
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Old 10th February 2003, 05:33   #342
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i am feeling the urge to color theme this baby
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Old 10th February 2003, 05:51   #343
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The themes are kicking ass, nice work on figuring out the work around RPC

Finally a skin that actually has my interest...


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Old 10th February 2003, 06:23   #344
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Wow. My first post. I've been visiting this forum for a while, but have never really had anything so important to say that I felt the need to get off my fat lazy butt. However, now is the time to begin...

First of all, I really appriciate all the work you've put into this skin, it really shows. It's gone from a good skin to an absoloutely amazing skin. I love the new windowshade mode, and the mini mode is turning out to be almost cooler than the main mode.

I do have a suggestion though. I might be in the minority, but I generally tend to place the stick mode in the bottom of my screen. I like this skin so much I don't want it to end up on the list of really great skins I don't use because the stick mode is more suited to be positioned at the top of the screen than at the bottom. Granted, I could change my ways and start putting the stick mode at the top of my screen, but I'm a stubborn bastard and like my desktop just so.

I was wondering if anyone else had similar sentiments and if you'd possibly consider including an alternate stick mode which would sit nicely at the bottom, so I'll be sure to use this beauty for a long time after it comes out!
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Old 10th February 2003, 12:16   #345
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i sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo want this skin
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Old 10th February 2003, 17:23   #346
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Mmm nice work RPC
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Old 10th February 2003, 17:27   #347
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Is this posible???
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Old 10th February 2003, 17:49   #348
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Is this posible???
i fuckin hope so
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Old 10th February 2003, 18:03   #349
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Is this posible???
Well, what you have going on the left and right would be possible if I was to assign each individual light and button it's own gammagroup, which is not how it's currently set up now. It could be set up that way if needed although that would seriously inflate the amount of gammagroup codes.

But what you have on the LCD area is not possible strictly through gammagroups. It would require that a gradient already be there to color and there just isn't. Even if there was, you wouldn't be able to specify a start/end color like that.

It would be possible to create a similar lcd effect with the gradient xui object, but it would need to be enabled/disabled based on what gammagroup was selected, and that is certainly not possible.

So, I guess the technical answer is yes, it's possible with modifications made to the skin to specificly achieve that effect, but those modifications would mess up the original design, so no.
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Old 10th February 2003, 20:27   #350
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Wow I think I found my replacement for mmd3. That stick mode is awesome. Cant wait for beta.
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Old 11th February 2003, 14:10   #351
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stop with the teasin

hey howe bout a beta already
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Old 11th February 2003, 14:44   #352
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be patient.
a beta will come whenever they feel it's ready for it..

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Old 11th February 2003, 17:16   #353
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Yeah, and I have one already
I bet everyone's really pissed off with me for my boasting
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Old 12th February 2003, 04:00   #354
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Is this posible???
wow! i love it! gimmie this one! /me points at colortheme!
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Old 12th February 2003, 04:04   #355
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This skin is so Sweet!!! its beautifull
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Old 12th February 2003, 04:31   #356
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Heh, any more updated screenies or color themes to toss our way? Any update on coding status?
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Old 12th February 2003, 09:21   #357
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Damn that's sweet!!
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Hey guys..I've been sick the last few days got a terrible cold during the weekend. I haven't been well enough to work on this the last 4 days - but I'm feeling better now - I'm back at work and I feel ok enough to fire up PS again tonight

I see you've tried several workarounds on the fonts RPC - what's the status on this? you think it's better to let the user select the font color?
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Old 12th February 2003, 13:48   #359
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Hey razmansix, glad to hear you are feeling better, that party must have been a doozie!

I've been toying with a few color themes using the workaround and it seems to work just fine. If it's okay with you, I'd like to change the font color using color themes rather than making it user selectable. What are your thoughts on this?

Coding wise on the main mode, I've fixed a bunch of minor bugs, tweaked some code and recut some graphics for better themeing since your last beta.

Last night I dove into chopping up the mini mode, about 1/2 way through with that and then I need to get it put together in the XML. Most of the scripting necessary for the Mini mode will just plug into functions I already have written, so that should go quickly.

Once I have the mini mode somewhat put together and usable, I'll send out another beta to you guys. I'd estimate that's going to be on late tomorrow or Friday. My free time has been a bit limited lately, I have a few day job deadlines coming up in the next couple weeks, and have only been able to put in a few hours a night. Even worse, I'll be taking a week long business trip next week. I'll still be able to work on this occasionally while travelling. Once I get back, my schedule will be back to normal.
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that party must have been a doozie!
That party was wild - nuff said!


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If it's okay with you, I'd like to change the font color using color themes rather than making it user selectable. What are your thoughts on this?
Yes lets stick to colorthemes. No need to complicate things.


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My free time has been a bit limited lately, I have a few day job deadlines coming up in the next couple weeks, and have only been able to put in a few hours a night. Even worse, I'll be taking a week long business trip next week. I'll still be able to work on this occasionally while travelling. Once I get back, my schedule will be back to normal.
No prob with me! just take your time - I expect a tight work schedule myself next week so that's ok.
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