Old 11th March 2010, 12:29   #1
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Descending instead of ascending

I use winamp pro, all is default installed on a windows 7 admin account.

In media lib if you set a view to the "Two" filter
and set "Album Artist" as first window and "Album Art" as second
and then in the album art window sort by year
on an artist which has say a collection of albums with very similar names, say vol. 1 vol. 2 vol. 3 and so on, any two or more albums of same year will get sorted ascending making the logical order scrambled.

I would expect the order to be
Line 1: 50, 49, 48
Line 2: 47, 46, 45

but the list is
Line 1: 50, 48, 49
Line 2: 45, 46, 47

46-47 has same year
48, 49 also
50 is newer

The files are both aac, mp3 and ogg. I think this is just a simple sorting issue. This has been this way on xp, vista and win7 or various pc's I'v had.

Good luck, hf ;)
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are you describing this?

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=317527

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Old 11th March 2010, 20:54   #3
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No that guy is describing a problem with the irregular behavior of the arrows. I am reporting a bug in the sorting mechanism.

Is there something I can clear up, describe better?
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that guy is me.

i think a screenshot or series of them would help.

i did that for a similar issue:

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=316841

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Old 12th March 2010, 07:04   #5
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I don't mean to be rude so please don't misunderstand me but are you a software engineer or winamp bug report screener?


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Old 12th March 2010, 14:37   #6
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i'm just a user, but i like to report and get fixed the bugs which actually impede my use of winamp.

as to your issue, i think you need to check the year tags for those volumes out of order. you are sorting by year in the artwork pane.

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Old 12th March 2010, 14:55   #7
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Yes that I do and that is what I have described. I fail to see your point of pointing out I sort in the art pane? I have of cause checked the year field and they are correctly filled with 4-digit numbers which the screenshot you wanted show. Look I am a software engineer so I know how sorting works. And I also know that this is a bug not a metadata problem.
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well first of all, i have no way of knowing the years are properly filled out from your screenshot. i am just trying to help you prove there is a bug here. if the year was different somehow: different number, blank, etc... then thats why its germane to point out you are sorting by year in artwork pane. it would be an expectd result.

i'm not saying there isn't a bug here, but given that it looks like only vol.52 is out of order, (and maybe 51 if it exists), i am leaning towards believing there is a tag based explanation of some kind. in other words, why woud only THOSE two be the out of order two? whats different about them?

have you checked all the tags, including extended tags, in mp3tag?

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Look it is clear that you either didn't read my report or didn't understand it, because it is very clear from the report that it is not only vol.52 that is out of order as per described and shown.

The order expected is:
vol 52(2010) vol 51(2009) vol 50(2009)
vol 49(2007) vol 48(2007) vol 47(2007)

and the current order is:
vol 52(2010) vol 50(2009) vol 51(2009)
vol 47(2007) vol 48(2007) vol 49(2007)

If you don't understand basic sorting algorithms please don't try a help because as I said the metadata is fine. If you don't know what metadata means, then in this case "the tags"
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i just noticed vol.4 is 1998 in your SS. if you have a bunch of albums by one artist seleced, and then sort by year with triangle down, it will do the most recent year first, and if you have more than one album per year, it will put all those albums of that year in alphabetical order.

so, in other words, i am guessing your vol.52 album is the ONLY one you have of that year, while 48, 49, and 50 (at least) all share the same, yet earlier, year. the alphabetical rule is why they seem to go backward.

i can't explain where 51 is, if it exists.

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don't be a dick, i clearly understand the issue more than you and am only trying to help.

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Yes and since I have selected descending sorting the rule is z-a(9-0), not a-z(0-9) which would give 51, 50, 49 ...
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i know its Z to A, when did i say different?

do a new screenshot, do it like your last one but this time sort the bottom pane by year, to match the sort of the art pane.

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You didn't.

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also, where is 51? where does it show up? when you scroll in artwork or bottom pane, where do you find it?

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ok, so you fixed something, what was it?

the new screenshot is expected results.

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I didn't have the album ripped. I do now.
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so you agree, there is no bug. yes?

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No I don't. There is a bug. This is pointless. EOD.
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if you think there is a bug, then you don't understand what i said earlier.

52 is first because it is the most recent year, and the ONLY one of that year.

the very next year is 48, 49, 50, and 51. they are all in the SAME year, so they get put in ALPHABETICAL ORDER via their album tags!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW? THIS IS EXPECTED BEHAVIOR.

if you think its wrong, how is it wrong? describe what it should be doing in your golden opinion.

but before you do consider this, IF sorting by year, how, or why even, should winamp KNOW that albums OF THE SAME YEAR should be listed in reverse alphabetical order to get the result you want???

that might make sense with your example, which is made up of volume numbers, but for most artists/bands album names, it would not apply AT ALL and just be confusing.

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No, there is such a thing called "Best practice" when making software.

Alphabetical sorting can go two ways "Ascending" and "Descending". You keep referring to it as a one-way street which it is not.

Sorting by year in descending order should make all other sorting criteria default to descending also. It is just best practice.

Or it should be made possible to chose sorting for multiple columns.
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PROVE IT.

show me the standard that you are quoting. you say its "best practice." where does it say that? what you say is best practice is NONSENSE.

listen, you are wrong on so many fronts its not even possible to explain them all without typing for hours.

of course aplhabetical sorting can go two ways, but your idiotic "best practice" would demand that ALL columns now go reverse just b/c years is reversed. how stupid is that?

its not even possible, as columns would contradict each other. prove me wrong, show me the standard of best practices that says when sorting in reverse by year, album names should also sort ALPHABETICALLY in reverse, (just in case that makes sense presumably, which 99% of the time, it won't)

and don't conflate issues either. setting up a hierarchial sorting columns method is my #2 wish in my sig, but thats a wholly separate issue from what you are saying here.

just so we are clear, THERE IS NO BUG. winamp works, in this case, exactly as it is intended to and expected to. if you disagree, thats your problem. if you want to suggest multiple column hierarchial sorting, add your name to the Q, but don't:

#1. be so ungracious
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#2. such a moron. i showed and explained to you, very clearly, why whats happening is happening. just b/c it isnt the way you expected it to be, doesn't mean its a bug, or that you should be so thankless.

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Wow how old are you? What is your occupation? What do you know of software engineering?
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more than you do obviously. back it up or shut up, prove your nonsense. (you can't)

and btw, you could just sort by album instead of year, and get the result you're looking for genius.

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And when the albums are not numerically named, then what? Change sorting again. It becomes a bit repetitive.
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most albums are not numerically named in linear fashion, thats EXACTLY WHY they always sort A to Z when another column is being used to sort first. it creates a steady, solid, expected behavior for the user.

take the Beatles as an example, if you sort by year in reverse, MOST PEOPLE would expect to see "Help" listed FIRST before "Rubber Soul" b/c thats A to Z in the same year. most people would not expect rubber soul to come before help EVEN IF they picked reverse year order.

winamp has ALWAYS done it this way.

the relationsip you want to exist DOES NOT exist. therefore, there is NO BUG b/c winamp is working as designed and intended to.

and why doesn't the relationship exist? b/c are you going to reverse tracks as well? albumartist? disc? etc... just b/c years is reversed? you want a special case exception for album name sorting to = year sorting, but there isnt one and for good reason, it would be confusing to most people since most albums are not numerically named, and it wouldn't be an expected or obvious behavior.

if sorting by year in reverse, the user would wonder why only album names also reverse, if they were even that observent to realize the pattern, and not other data.

if you sort by album names first, would you have years follow that to be vice versa consistent? what if you DIDN'T want that? see? it gets to be nonsense, and certainly is not "best practices."

what you want, AND what i want, is Wish #2 in my sig. we can agree to that.

but there is no bug, and you should admit it, and learn to be more gracious.

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It is not I that keep resorting to name-calling.

And as with all other things I have said it still is on a theoretical level that ascending/descending should be applied to all columns. Of cause it makes no sense to set all columns to the same, my point was that if the list is sorted by year, the alphabetical order is of no real interest and as such I think it is better to have album names the same as year in that case and only then.
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Quote:
Originally posted by micnolmad
It is not I that keep resorting to name-calling.
and why should you?

no, what you did was worse. you claimed i didn't understand, when clearly i have now proved i understood, and you didn't. you actually questioned my credentials to even speak to your stupid issue; how childish is that to borrow your phrase? but more importantly, you were thankless to someone who was only trying to help you. you have yet to offer a scintilla of graciousness.

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And as with all other things I have said it still is on a theoretical level that ascending/descending should be applied to all columns. Of cause it makes no sense to set all columns to the same, my point was that if the list is sorted by year, the alphabetical order is of no real interest and as such I think it is better to have album names the same as year in that case and only then. [/B]
if the alphabetical order is "of no interest" then how can you say the albums should be sorted in reverse alphabetical order by album name? why would you expect such a relationship between album name and year to begin with?

and of what use is such a feature other than numerically named albums, which is probably less than 1% of all cases?

and why bother implementing such a feature when you can get the desired result by just clicking on and sorting on the album column anyway?

oh i forgot... you claim its "best practice" to do so, which is of course, total horseshit.

and most important of all, whether you think this "feature" should exist or not, what you can not do, is claim winamp has a bug, simply b/c it doesn't do what you want or expected it to. winamp has plenty of bugs, but NOT in this case. you should admit it.

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Grow up dude-
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you're welcome ahole.

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Alright. Calm down you two.
No more flaming please.

I'm locking this thread, because of the above,
and also because, as already stated, the feature is working as expected/intended,
and anything beyond that is a feature request for the wishlist.
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