Old 18th February 2013, 19:04   #41
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short answers.
and my question is, where is the pride in that?

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Dig a bit deeper, there are 598 DrO files available for download. No guarantee you get the latest versions though.

*Sighs* There was a time when people came to the forums for a bit of enjoyment.

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i am fully prepared to admit i am a dope, but how did you access actual files to DL? i couldn't.

btw, archive.org has older pages, not the last vers. so they are out of date too, not only missing the files. (one for nunz for example, is 5.1, not 5.11)

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Old 18th February 2013, 19:45   #42
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you have until the 22nd to get the original downloads from files/* (which i've just restored from backup).

there was no pride intended in my short reply (even though i liked sawg's style), there was just no need to put anything else (or so i thought).
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Old 18th February 2013, 20:15   #43
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first of all, thank you very much! sincerely!

secondly, again, i'm a dope. i tried to go here:

http://nunzioweb.com/daz/index.html

and here:

http://nunzioweb.com/daz/plugins.html

and here:

http://nunzioweb.com/daz/files/

but i'm obviously doing something wrong. please let me know how to fix!

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Old 18th February 2013, 20:21   #44
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you'll have to use the archive.org pages / forum threads, etc to work out the links for what you want to keep. the files/* folder was always restricted and i don't have the time to mess around making it public.
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the problem is that the links at archive.org refer to old versions of the plugins.

for instance, while now i can DL ml exporter, its ver 8.2 not 9.5

not trying to be a pain in the ass, but just trying to get the last released version.

if i am overlooking something i could be doing to get the latest ver, i am willing to do it.

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Old 19th February 2013, 14:22   #46
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can someone please help me with this?

it seems really stupid to have me DL older versions when DrO kindly restored latest versions to the web.

if someone smarter than me would please explain how i can get the latest versions, i'd appreciate it.

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Old 19th February 2013, 15:09   #47
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you just need to change the numbers in the link to the version needed.
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right, and i am happy to do so, but i just don't know what the numbers are? i really hate to be annoying about this, i know you are going out of your way to do this, but i don't know how to figure that out?

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Old 20th February 2013, 17:15   #49
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Please, can someone tell me how to discern the latest ver numbers before DrO removes the plugins???

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Old 20th February 2013, 17:44   #50
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change ML_Exporter_v0_8_2.exe -> ML_Exporter_v0_9_5.exe

i'd really thought that was obvious from the archive.org list of all of the other files which were shown.
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i think either u don't understand me or i don't understand you...

but the webpages archive has are old. and i do not know the latest ver numbers.

if i knew the numbers, i could manually adjust the links (i think) to get the files. but i do not know them, nor do i know how to figure them out.

edit: if i am missing something obvious, please tell me! i'm fully prepared to admit being a dope!

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Old 20th February 2013, 17:59   #52
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dump attached.
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Old 20th February 2013, 18:35   #53
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awesome! thx! much appreciated.

and it had three views before i got to it, so to them i say "you're welcome"

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Old 20th February 2013, 19:50   #54
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hours were spent (of my own free time) trying to get something that can just be installed and then used to get core information about the Winamp install
You'll laugh, DrO, but I did exactly the same. So I'm with you.
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that's why your one will be the one to use for the next client version (despite it's limitation). which is what you wanted if i remember correctly.
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Not really Nunz is the better solution, since only you can catch the version number and real plugin name.
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Old 20th February 2013, 22:37   #57
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DrO,

i just want to thank you again. i think i got all the latest versions.

i do have some questions, if you are willing?

is:
Auto_Video_Fullscreen_v1_2_5.exe
or
Auto_Video_Fullscreen_v1_2_alpha_14.exe
newer?

how about:
gen_autofs_v1_09.zip
or
gen_autofs_v1_17_alpha.zip
? (i'm thinking the alpha is newer, just unstable?)

how about:
gen_timerestore_v1_666.zip
or
gen_timerestore_v1_666a.zip
i'm thinking the "a" is newer, but is it an alpha/unstable?
and
are both of those "different" from:
Time_Restore_v2_5_3.exe
or is that one actually the newest one?

how about:
Skin_Manager_v1_0_1.exe
is that the latest, or one of the alphas/betas?

also

i see different things named jump to this or that, but where is the jump thing that comes with winamp currently, that i think is ver 1.2.5? (jtfe?)

ps. i actually had to disable avast shields to DL "die browser die" which i found humorous.

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DrO,

i just want to thank you again. i think i got all the latest versions.

i do have some questions, if you are willing?

is:
Auto_Video_Fullscreen_v1_2_5.exe
or
Auto_Video_Fullscreen_v1_2_alpha_14.exe
newer?
1.2.5 is newer, but all versions are buggy / broken. that one never got updated in 2010.

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how about:
gen_autofs_v1_09.zip
or
gen_autofs_v1_17_alpha.zip
? (i'm thinking the alpha is newer, just unstable?)
1.17 alpha is newer than 1.09, but are older than 1.2.5 from above.

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how about:
gen_timerestore_v1_666.zip
or
gen_timerestore_v1_666a.zip
i'm thinking the "a" is newer, but is it an alpha/unstable?
1.666a was a bug fix for 1.666.

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and
are both of those "different" from:
Time_Restore_v2_5_3.exe
or is that one actually the newest one?
they're from before i provided installers. though 2.5.3 is the current one from the EP i believe.

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how about:
Skin_Manager_v1_0_1.exe
is that the latest, or one of the alphas/betas?
latest i believe.

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i see different things named jump to this or that, but where is the jump thing that comes with winamp currently, that i think is ver 1.2.5? (jtfe?)
what is shipped with Winamp is the current one. the jtfe files were in a separate folder which i didn't restore.

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ps. i actually had to disable avast shields to DL "die browser die" which i found humorous.
is no need to even get that and the installer removes it if i remember correctly.
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thanks for those answers. the only one i didn't understand was this:

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what is shipped with Winamp is the current one. the jtfe files were in a separate folder which i didn't restore.
so, do i just grab the dll from 5.63 and then i have it? or is there more to it than that?

also, these things seem to be missing from your text file:

album art viewer
enhancer dsp wrapper
standalone audioscrobbler
WACommand
YMAMP
Yar-matey!_Playlist_Copier_v1_11.exe

although Koopa says that album art viewer is in the essentials pack, while yar_matey is available in another forum thread.

i didn't see these either, (nor do i know the latest ver):

Unicode_Taskbar_Fix
SNESamp_Wrapper_Plugin

and i might have missed some others, idk.

thx again.

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so, do i just grab the dll from 5.63 and then i have it? or is there more to it than that?
nope, that's it.

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also, these things seem to be missing from your text file: ...
they were all in other folders than the main 'files' folder. that's why they're not in the list as i only restored the main 'files' folder.
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thx. any chance these could be made available?

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enhancer dsp wrapper
standalone audioscrobbler
WACommand
YMAMP
Unicode_Taskbar_Fix
SNESamp_Wrapper_Plugin
i don't know the latest ver numbers for these either.

thx again.

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YMAMP
Unicode_Taskbar_Fix
SNESamp_Wrapper_Plugin
I can tell you the version numbers in the evening for these. Unicode fixer is part of the essentials pack, so latest version is included in last EP version.

For the 2 wrapper plugins, I should have the installers as well. And latest YMAMP and SNESAmp Wrapper will be attached to the related threads.
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ah, great, thx.

that leaves only audioscrobbler and WACommand, if you have the latest of the others.

i would like to be able to DL them individually, to stick in my new DrO folder. how would i extract stuff from essentials pack?

it will be interesting to see which plugins break, and on what version. i dread the idea that some of these i'd use for shoutcast installs might mean i have to stop updating my winamps at a certain point.

so anyway... DrO...

any chance you could put WACommand up? and i know you hate audioscrobbler, but just for completeness that one as well?

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how would i extract stuff from essentials pack?
1. Install it and copy the files

or

2. Simply open the installer with 7-Zip
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it will be interesting to see which plugins break, and on what version. i dread the idea that some of these i'd use for shoutcast installs might mean i have to stop updating my winamps at a certain point.
which is the whole reason why i didn't want to have people archiving things. meh.

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any chance you could put WACommand up?
WACommand restored - will leave that up as it's separate of Winamp and has worked fine for a decade (before i made my modifications).

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and i know you hate audioscrobbler, but just for completeness that one as well?
audioscrobbler will not as i clearly said that it is broken and doesn't run on newer OSes. there is no reason to keep that around and there are alternatives which do work so there is no need for that crap copy anymore.
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i understand DrO, but in some cases the plugins are more important to the install than using the newest winamps, and hopefully the newest DSPs will provide the newer LAMEs.

can you confirm WACommand 2.3.5 is the newest ver?

np on audioscrobbler. thx for giving us all the chance to get this stuff. i really appreciate it.

question: do you not want us to post this on the web anywhere? and relatedly, if someone posts to the forum a req for a feature one of these plugins does, and it still works, do we have permission to pass it on or no?

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i understand DrO, but in some cases the plugins are more important to the install than using the newest winamps, and hopefully the newest DSPs will provide the newer LAMEs.
i don't want people relying on old Winamp versions because of plug-ins. that's why there's this whole bloody mess with people on old buggy Winamp versions and Winamp then being flagged as crap / a security risk. and i've no idea about the Source DSP installer as i'm not working on that anymore.

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can you confirm WACommand 2.3.5 is the newest ver?
nope, was 2.3.6.0 which annoyingly was done as a "i'll donate if you do" update and i got fucked over on that.

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question: do you not want us to post this on the web anywhere? and relatedly, if someone posts to the forum a req for a feature one of these plugins does, and it still works, do we have permission to pass it on or no?
for ones i took and modified then do whatever. for my own ones, i don't want them recommended (am screwed when it comes to the EP as that basically has to remain), but if someone posts / asks for one that still works (assuming i've not re-instated things at a later date), then publically i don't want them provided. what goes on via pm, referenced on other sites, etc is out of my control.
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nope, was 2.3.6.0 which annoyingly was done as a "i'll donate if you do" update and i got fucked over on that.
i'm confused. what happened?

i now have 2.3.6, thx for that.

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for ones i took and modified then do whatever. for my own ones, i don't want them recommended (am screwed when it comes to the EP as that basically has to remain), but if someone posts / asks for one that still works (assuming i've not re-instated things at a later date), then publically i don't want them provided. what goes on via pm, referenced on other sites, etc is out of my control.
just for clarity, the ones you modified are:

WACommand
YMAMP
SNES wrapper
Album Art Viewer
Enhancer DSP wrapper
Yar Matey

and any others?

and the EP ones are:

unicode fixer
time restore
enque play
find on disk

any others?

so regarding the above, no restrictions, but all the others, don't distribute publically, meaning use PMs?

just fyi, i would not post your things elsewhere, if you did not want me to, regardless of if you had control over it or not. i'm asking for these specifics so i can follow your wishes.

EDIT: also, will the plugins in the essentails pack continue to be updated by anyone? or are they dead in the water now too going forward?

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Sorry for the delay, work week was hell (as usual)

YMAMP v2.5
SNESamp_Wrapper_Plugin v0.9.1

Latest files from Essentials Pack:

Unicode_Taskbar_Fix v3.0
Waveform Wrapper v1.3
Winamp Lite-n Preferences v1.7
Skin Manager v1.0.1
Find File on Disk v3.0.4
Playlist Undo v1.1
Time Restore and Autoplay v2.5.3
ML Enqueue and Play v2.0.2
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i respect your POV Aminifu, and the others in this thread too, but honestly, can you or someone please explain to me what is selfish about asking for the chance to archive what was posted? seriously, what is selfish about that? what is the problem, the big deal about one more day or chance to DL that stuff?

i don't get it.
I'm done with feeling sorry for myself and, even-though it is a mute point now, I will answer your question.

I currently use, and have come to depend on, 14 of DrO's plug-ins. This includes 6 of the 8 in the EP, "Jump To File Extra" included in the installation package, and "One for Nunz" for generating a configuration report. Others, I no longer use, have helped me in the past.

Those that already use his plug-ins, have what they use. What's the 'real' point in asking him to provide them for archival (new users?), if the plug-ins are not going to be maintained? Some already need some updating.

IMO, asking DrO to provide his personal work for archival, while he is still around in other capacities, is also putting him on the hook to provide updates when possible (seeing as he is a conscientious person). If not maintenance for all his plug-ins, then at least for those in the EP and installation package. Expecting, or hoping, he would do this, on his own dime, is selfish. I don't see anyone asking for the source code, so that they may try to maintain the plug-ins (myself included and I have a programming background).

What DrO chooses to do of his own free will is one thing, any coercion (however subtle) is something else. Nullsoft offering to pay him to maintain those plug-ins in the EP and installation package would be an acceptable form of coercion, imo.

Anyway, change is a constant that we all have to deal with and we each have to find our own way to cope. Abrupt changes are simply harder to deal with.

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i hope DrO will answer my questions from my last post, as i really do intend to follow his wishes.

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SNESamp_Wrapper_Plugin v0.9.1
thx for the info. where can i obtain these?

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Latest files from Essentials Pack:

Unicode_Taskbar_Fix v3.0
Waveform Wrapper v1.3
Winamp Lite-n Preferences v1.7
Skin Manager v1.0.1
Find File on Disk v3.0.4
Playlist Undo v1.1
Time Restore and Autoplay v2.5.3
ML Enqueue and Play v2.0.2
ah, ok, so these are DrO's part of the EP then? perhaps you know, will these be updated by anyone else? or will they have to be removed from the EP eventually should they break?

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Those that already use his plug-ins, have what they use. What's the 'real' point in asking him to provide them for archival (new users?)
b/c i have used them in the past, and intend to in the future, but i did not have a copy of the latest ver of all of them, nor indeed did i know for certain what the latest ver even was, ergo the real point.

i am grateful he did so, b/c i am sure i annoy him lately.

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IMO, asking DrO to provide his personal work for archival, while he is still around in other capacities, is also putting him on the hook to provide updates when possible (seeing as he is a conscientious person). If not maintenance for all his plug-ins, then at least for those in the EP and installation package. Expecting, or hoping, he would do this, on his own dime, is selfish. I don't see anyone asking for the source code, so that they may try to maintain the plug-ins (myself included and I have a programming background).
i had no intention of asking him to do anything with them, i just wanted what had already been done. that doesn't mean that at some future point i wouldn't ask him about some bit or another, but i would have no expectation that he would do something, regardless of if i archive them now or not. in other words, i'm just as likely to ask him about this or that in the future, either way.

having said that, i have asked him multiple times, (recently in PMs but in the past in public threads) to provide the source code if he was no longer interested. he made it clear he has no intentions of doing so, at least for now, and that it was his perogative, and so i have not pursued that further.

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What DrO chooses to do of his own free will is one thing, any coercion (however subtle) is something else. Nullsoft offering to pay him to maintain those plug-ins in the EP and installation package would be an acceptable form of coercion, imo.
indeed. no question in my mind some of these things should be bought by nullsoft, and/or even included as part of the "full" install.

when i first posted with DrO years ago, he told me to use some plugin of his, and i said i didn't want to, b/c it would be "3rd party" and it would mean i'd have to uninstall it (or worse, go clean), to do a bug report nullsoft would acknowledge as valid. he thought that reasonable, but said his were pretty much considered official anyway. i still resisted b/c this was when i was noticing lots of bugs in winamps tag handling and i wanted no excuses to get them attention.

but the other reason was i have seen this kind of thing before, and i hate to come to depend on something that the company doesn't maintain, b/c this can happen at anytime. so for the most part, for my own personal use, i have not used these on any kind of consistent basis.

however, for shoutcast, for some of the things i am planning, this stuff is essential.

one of the real tragedies here, imo, is that nullsoft seems to have removed DrO from the shoutcast stuff, prior to him being able to complete the work on it, and they seemingly have not replaced him with even a warm body. for broadcasters like me, this is a real blow. the DSP and DNAS were really making progress, and i was looking forward to having easy to use, simple to setup, stable, feature rich, v2 of that stuff. as it is now, its half baked, betas are left undone and unreleased, and i don't know if they plan to ever work on it again, and likely not someone as good as DrO.

imo, he should be senior staff, not a contractor. but i'm just a blowhard.

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but the other reason was i have seen this kind of thing before, and i hate to come to depend on something that the company doesn't maintain, b/c this can happen at anytime. so for the most part, for my own personal use, i have not used these on any kind of consistent basis.
This is along the lines of what I'm talking about. Those who chose to use unofficial stuff must be aware, and willing to deal with the fact, that 'the rug may be pulled out beneath them' at any time.

With the multiple 'hats' DrO was wearing, judging the risk was much harder.

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one of the real tragedies here, imo, is that nullsoft seems to have removed DrO from the shoutcast stuff, prior to him being able to complete the work on it, and they seemingly have not replaced him with even a warm body. for broadcasters like me, this is a real blow. the DSP and DNAS were really making progress, and i was looking forward to having easy to use, simple to setup, stable, feature rich, v2 of that stuff. as it is now, its half baked, betas are left undone and unreleased, and i don't know if they plan to ever work on it again, and likely not someone as good as DrO.
This is news to me. In your opinion, what is DrO being paid to work on these days.

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imo, he should be senior staff, not a contractor. but i'm just a blowhard.
It has been my experience that those most conscientious toward the user/customer are seldom considered for senior staff, in commercial enterprises.

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i'm confused. what happened?
just the norm of i was gullible as someone went i'll donate to do x and fuck all happened. i'm not concerned about the money (never really have been) but there was never an acknowledgement (even though i'd turned that one around in a few days).

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so regarding the above, no restrictions, but all the others, don't distribute publically, meaning use PMs?
i'd already answered that in the prior reply.

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EDIT: also, will the plugins in the essentails pack continue to be updated by anyone? or are they dead in the water now too going forward?
at the moment i don't know what i'm going to do about the EP plug-ins. there shouldn't be a reason for them to break (if they do it's likely from my screwing up the desktop client).

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What DrO chooses to do of his own free will is one thing, any coercion (however subtle) is something else. Nullsoft offering to pay him to maintain those plug-ins in the EP and installation package would be an acceptable form of coercion, imo.
when i took on my contracts, it was always under the provision that my plug-ins remained that way irrespective of what came later on. and really most of them would just be baked directly into the client if they were that essential.

Anyway, change is a constant that we all have to deal with and we each have to find our own way to cope. Abrupt changes are simply harder to deal with.[/QUOTE]

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but the other reason was i have seen this kind of thing before, and i hate to come to depend on something that the company doesn't maintain, b/c this can happen at anytime. so for the most part, for my own personal use, i have not used these on any kind of consistent basis.

however, for shoutcast, for some of the things i am planning, this stuff is essential.
a fair point, but this is just systematic of Winamp usage and things change, it is just that i've basically said it's happening rather than like has happened with everyone else where they just fade out and that's it. alas this is the downside of hobby becoming a job and leaving no time to work on the hobby part. as i've said, i will probably review my position on this at a later date, but there are more important things outside of the Winamp bubble than trying to find time for plug-ins most people aren't using.

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one of the real tragedies here, imo, is that nullsoft seems to have removed DrO from the shoutcast stuff, prior to him being able to complete the work on it, and they seemingly have not replaced him with even a warm body.
people can only work on so much at one time, there are not enough hours in the day to work on SC in addition to what i'm working on at the moment. like any job, i'm paid to do a job and however much people don't like it, SC is not my focus and is why i've distanced myself from it (in addition to not having the time anyway). who knows what will happen in the coming months.

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imo, he should be senior staff, not a contractor. but i'm just a blowhard.
there are reasons why i am what i am and that's all i can really say on the matter.

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This is news to me. In your opinion, what is DrO being paid to work on these days.
i've no idea whatsoever. but his signature and posts at SC forum have made this clear and public.

maybe he's happy with the change, but i'm not. i am happy that nullsoft finally made a droid app, a mac app, etc, but one of my beefs with them, is they seem to never actually finish anything.

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just the norm of i was gullible as someone went i'll donate to do x and fuck all happened. i'm not concerned about the money (never really have been) but there was never an acknowledgement (even though i'd turned that one around in a few days).
ah, sucks.

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i'd already answered that in the prior reply.
i know but i wasn't totally clear.

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at the moment i don't know what i'm going to do about the EP plug-ins. there shouldn't be a reason for them to break (if they do it's likely from my screwing up the desktop client).
thats good news at least, as the time restore plugin is pretty critical for SC.

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a fair point, but this is just systematic of Winamp usage and things change, it is just that i've basically said it's happening rather than like has happened with everyone else where they just fade out and that's it. alas this is the downside of hobby becoming a job and leaving no time to work on the hobby part. as i've said, i will probably review my position on this at a later date, but there are more important things outside of the Winamp bubble than trying to find time for plug-ins most people aren't using.
you could argue that a lot of "core" functions in winamp aren't used as well. each user seems to find their own emphasis. would you consider selling them to nullsoft if they asked or offered?

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people can only work on so much at one time, there are not enough hours in the day to work on SC in addition to what i'm working on at the moment. like any job, i'm paid to do a job and however much people don't like it, SC is not my focus and is why i've distanced myself from it (in addition to not having the time anyway). who knows what will happen in the coming months.
just to be clear, i wasn't complaining about you or your role in this, re:SC, but rather what appears to me to be the nullsoft agenda, or their impatience with completing tasks and jumping priorities. its just my perception from way out here in total ignorance. i could be all wet, but the perception i have is that things at nullsoft are schizophrenic.

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there are reasons why i am what i am and that's all i can really say on the matter.
i would not pry.

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once again, thanks for providing them. i believe i have everything now, except YMAMP and SNES_wrapper.

thanks

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DrO, thanks for providing the plugins for us, and for the replies. Many of the questions asked were things I was curious about too, and I'm glad that the above discussion helped me to get answers.

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