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 1st April 2003, 05:06 #1 ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King)     Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,798 Please don't flame me but... Does anyone know where the ElVis 3D superscope guide is. I searched all over the winamp.com plugins and couldn't find the pack it was it. So can someone post it or a link to it please
 1st April 2003, 06:24 #2 shreyas_potnis Major Dude     Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787 ****************************** * * * SUPERSCOPES-3D by EL-VIS * * * ****************************** First: "Yes, I'm not a native speaker!" Second: "But I've tried my best." The idea was to do some Superscopes in 3D. My first tries (_first3D_) were quite OK but not the real thing. So I got deeper into 3D-mathematics and I finally managed to develop a base setup for real 3D presets (_real3D_start.avs). Real 3D means: Every point of the scope has now 3 coordinates: x1, y1 and z1 (instead of x and y) which describe its position in the 3D-Room: ```code: -y | +z | / | / |/ -x ------------------- +x /|0 / | / | -z | +y ``` So the scope becomes a real 3D-Object, which could be rotated around and moved along the three axes (x,y and z) of the 3D-Room. Finally the 3D-coordinates of the scope are translated into 2D-coordinates of the screen. Here's the explanation of the settings of real3D_start.avs by section: INIT_______________________________________________________________________________ n=7; r=0.5; Just for this scope, which is a simple circle with a radius of 0.5 done in 7 steps. mx=0;my=0;mz=0; Use these to move the center/base of your scope along the axes. dst=2; Normally you don't need to change this. It's the distance for the 3D/2D-Translation. IMPORTANT: If you create, rotate or move a scope its z-values must not become lower than -dst => !!! z >= -dst for all z !!! rx=0;ry=0;rz=0; Initrotation around x,y and z-axis in degrees. rdx=1;rdy=1;rdz=1; Permanent rotation around axes in degrees/frame. Set these to zero to stop rotation. p=3.14159265;p2=2.0*p;p3=180/p You'll never need to change these POINT______________________________________________________________________________ x1=r*sin(p2*i);y1=0;z1=r*cos(p2*i); This is the 3D-Scope. Add your own scopes here by setting x1,y1 and z1. (Do not use x and y. They are generated in this section) (In fact the example is not really 3D because of y1=0, but as you see, it can be nicely rotated anyway) IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The length of input in all of the sections is limited. So keep your scope as short as possible. If the scope suddenly dissapears after a regular input you're F***ed! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not change anything else in this section: y2=y1*xc-z1*xs;z2=y1*xs+z1*xc; Rotation around x-axis x2=z2*ys+x1*yc;z3=z2*yc-x1*ys; Rotation around y-axis x3=x2*zc-y2*zs;y3=y2*zc+x2*zs; Rotation around z-axis x4=mx+x3;y4=my+y3;z4=mz+z3; Movement of center/base x=x4/(1+z4/dst);y=y4/(1+z4/dst); 3D/2D-Translation FRAME______________________________________________________________________________ This is a good place to setup additional movement for your scope. For Example: fr=fr+0.01;mz=1+sin(fr) will move the scope back and forward along the z-axis. Do not change these and add your input in front of them: rx=rx+rdx;ry=ry+rdy;rz=rz+rdz; Rotation per Frame xs=sin(rx/p3);ys=sin(ry/p3);zs=sin(rz/p3);xc=cos(rx/p3);yc=cos(ry/p3);zc=cos(rz/p3) Sinuses and cosinuses for rotation in point-section (to save space and increase performance). BEAT_______________________________________________________________________________ Setup the beat reaction of your scope. For example change the rotation speed by random like this: rdx=rand(3)+1;rdy=rand(3)+1;rdz=rand(3)+1 ___________________________________________________________________________________ THAT'S ALL FOLKS ! edit: this guide sucks http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis
 1st April 2003, 21:39 #3 dirkdeftly Forum King     Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651 DON'T USE EL-VIS'S 3D ENGINE. WRITE ONE YOURSELF. We just had this fucking conversation, idiot. LEARN IT, DON'T STEAL IT. "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings
 1st April 2003, 22:02 #4 Raz Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470 Is'nt idiots name convenient for conversations such as this. I agree though, elvis's 3d translation is extremely hard to modify. Learn it yourself.
 1st April 2003, 23:46 #5 legohead Senior Member     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 181 Atero - shhhhhhhh....
 2nd April 2003, 01:31 #6 anubis2003 Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564 It's in his Real 3D pack, if you want the full thing, but I would reccommend taking a quick glance at Atero's primer, search the internet for rotation matrices, and then go to write your own 3D code, and see what you come out with, and check if it works or not. [Over The Monkey] | [My DeviantArt] | [Seti] | [Atmo Digital Design Forums]
 2nd April 2003, 01:58 #7 ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King)     Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tn Posts: 8,798 I tried AVS Primer, It just confused me more about all this
 2nd April 2003, 02:01 #8 anubis2003 Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564 Like I said, just google for rotation matrices. I'm sure you can find a lot at mathworld.wolfram.edu(is this the correct site?). In order to fully get the grasp of it you will need to try to make your own. [Over The Monkey] | [My DeviantArt] | [Seti] | [Atmo Digital Design Forums]
 2nd April 2003, 03:08 #9 dirkdeftly Forum King     Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651 legohead, is there ANY chance at all that you'll stop being a dumbshit and start being a contributing member of the avs community? "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings
 2nd April 2003, 04:21 #10 Gonzotek Gunslinger     Join Date: May 2000 Location: Terminus Posts: 4,693 Atero, put legohead on ignore and please do not flame again. -=Gonzotek=- I was away for a while. But I'm feeling much better now.
 2nd April 2003, 05:36 #11 legohead Senior Member     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 181 Im contributing my share thanks champ I'll leave dumbshiting to your capable hands
 2nd April 2003, 15:17 #12 Raz Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470 Ok children calm down, leave each other alone and avoid each other. If you don't like each others posts, save it for someone who cares.
 2nd April 2003, 15:33 #13 Gonzotek Gunslinger     Join Date: May 2000 Location: Terminus Posts: 4,693 legohead, put Atero on ignore and avoid flaming and/or inciting flames. You've now both had your warning and I'll be watching to be sure you abide by forum policy. Remember, if you have a problem with someone, there is something you can do about it besides flaming, PM a mod or use the "Report this Post" function. -=Gonzotek=- I was away for a while. But I'm feeling much better now.
 2nd April 2003, 21:40 #14 dirkdeftly Forum King     Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651 Gonzotek: How about we both put you on ignore and you stop telling us what to do? ..|., "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings
 2nd April 2003, 21:42 #15 Raz Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470 Because if you do you can wave bye bye to your forum for a while
 2nd April 2003, 21:42 #16 Gonzotek Gunslinger     Join Date: May 2000 Location: Terminus Posts: 4,693 Other than asking that you follow the rules of the forum, what have I done? That thread wasn't locked by me. I've been asked to do this, it wasn't my idea, but your actions that precipitated this. Strike two. *whacked* No, unwhacked. If you'd like to discuss this is as good as place as any, but flame again and it's out of my hands. -=Gonzotek=- I was away for a while. But I'm feeling much better now.
 2nd April 2003, 21:49 #17 Raz Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470 Just offtopic for a second but Gonzo, do you know where Rocker is? you seem to have become quite active but i have yet to see a post from Rocker. I didn't think it was worth a new post so i'll put it in here.
 2nd April 2003, 21:51 #18 anubis2003 Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564 How did this thread become open again? Raz, did you somehow gain modding powers? [Over The Monkey] | [My DeviantArt] | [Seti] | [Atmo Digital Design Forums]
 2nd April 2003, 21:53 #19 Gonzotek Gunslinger     Join Date: May 2000 Location: Terminus Posts: 4,693 No idea really. He's an aussie and I'm from Southern NJ, USA, so our paths don't cross all that much. -gonzo I was away for a while. But I'm feeling much better now.
2nd April 2003, 21:55   #20
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 Originally posted by Gonzotek Other than asking that you follow the rules of the forum, what have I done? That thread wasn't locked by me. I've been asked to do this, it wasn't my idea, but your actions that precipitated this.
Our problem is that this forum is bogged down by posts that have been asked and answered many times. First off, almost any n00b question is answered in the FAQ. Second, n00bs tend to ignore the big, red letters telling them to search the forums. After getting the same questions over and over and over again, all of us tend to get to the end of our rope because we are tired of answering the questions and it gives us less time to answer important questions and help each other perfect their packs.

This is also fueled by regulars in these forums who are constantly making pointless, nonsensical posts or who say things without thinking or without knowing what they are talking about.

We are also annoyed by people who come to this forum with a non-AVS post (i.e. the question about the playlist and the sentence game thread)

2nd April 2003, 21:57   #21
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Inexplicably, my goodbye letter, which had something to say on that point, seems to have vanished. Seems like "strike one" for mod one to me Somehow this seems very reminiscent to the Matrix scene where the agents capture Neo for the first time...or maybe it's just me.
Just in case anyone wanted to know, the second to last line was:
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 as for gonzotek and rocker, go ahead, silence me. prove my point, cunts.

"guilt is the cause of more disauders
than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

 2nd April 2003, 21:58 #22 dirkdeftly Forum King     Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651 Yup. Gee, and you guys wonder why I resent the new mods so much. Wonder what this is all about? Talk to gonzoboy "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings
 2nd April 2003, 21:59 #23 mikm Major Dude     Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,255 so it did disappear...if you really DO leave, Atero, I will miss you. powered by C₂H₅OH
2nd April 2003, 22:00   #24
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 Originally posted by Michaelthecat Our problem is that this forum is bogged down by posts that have been asked and answered many times. First off, almost any n00b question is answered in the FAQ. Second, n00bs tend to ignore the big, red letters telling them to search the forums. After getting the same questions over and over and over again, all of us tend to get to the end of our rope because we are tired of answering the questions and it gives us less time to answer important questions and help each other perfect their packs. This is also fueled by regulars in these forums who are constantly making pointless, nonsensical posts or who say things without thinking or without knowing what they are talking about. We are also annoyed by people who come to this forum with a non-AVS post (i.e. the question about the playlist and the sentence game thread)
How is that different from any other forum? Winamp3 Discussion and Winamp3 Skins and Scripting have the same issues, and the solution is the same: follow the rules and fulfill the purpose of the forum while enjoying yourself.

-=Gonzotek=-

I was away for a while.
But I'm feeling much better now.

2nd April 2003, 22:03   #25
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Think twice before you flame. Whether I know anything about this forum or not, that post was, to be kind to you, highly inflammatory.

I keep giving you the benefit of the doubt that you wanted to be part of this forum. I've asked for your suggestions, I've ignored blatent examples of flaming BY YOU, and I've given you every opportunity to prove your not what they say you are. You're hanging yourself here.

-=Gonzotek=-

I was away for a while.
But I'm feeling much better now.

 2nd April 2003, 22:04 #26 mikm Major Dude     Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,255 hmmm...did you merge the 'Yup. thread?' powered by C₂H₅OH
 2nd April 2003, 22:05 #27 Gonzotek Gunslinger     Join Date: May 2000 Location: Terminus Posts: 4,693 Threads merged. I can take the heat. Try calling me a long-nosed weirdo muppet-man next. -Gonzotek I was away for a while. But I'm feeling much better now.
 2nd April 2003, 22:11 #28 mikm Major Dude     Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,255 whoops...just realized that Rovastar posted the picture...[/edit] powered by C₂H₅OH
 2nd April 2003, 22:20 #29 dirkdeftly Forum King     Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651 "Highly inflamatory." No shit, dumbfuck. Then again, I suppose you'd have to tell everyone else seeing as how you wouldn't let anyone read it. So it was "highly inflammatory." Wanna know the one thing worse than being "highly inflammatory"? Abusing power. "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings
 2nd April 2003, 22:24 #30 mikm Major Dude     Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,255 whoa...Atero's REALLY blown his top but, I think Atero has a point powered by C₂H₅OH
 2nd April 2003, 22:25 #31 Rovastar Moderator   Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 3,632 Well take a holiday for a couple of weeks. "Rules are for the guidance of wisemen and the obedience of fools" Visuals - Morphyre www.Morphyre.com
 2nd April 2003, 22:30 #32 anubis2003 Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564 Wow, this thread is confusing. Atero, calm down. Just chill with the flaming - we've been asking you to do this for a long time. Gonzo is merely trying to restore order. You follow the simple rules and you won't get in trouble. [Over The Monkey] | [My DeviantArt] | [Seti] | [Atmo Digital Design Forums]
 2nd April 2003, 22:32 #33 Rovastar Moderator   Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 3,632 Atero post was removed as he offensively flamed a couple of mods and about 6 members here so Gonzo, rightly so, removed it. Getting stuck into themods is not a good idea at the best of times but this was silly and he keep going on and on. I let a lot go with atero as he was a useful member of teh team here and did sometimes help people out but way do we have to put up with this. So he is banned initally for a couple of weeks. "Rules are for the guidance of wisemen and the obedience of fools" Visuals - Morphyre www.Morphyre.com
 2nd April 2003, 22:33 #34 mikm Major Dude     Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,255 atero banned? powered by C₂H₅OH
 2nd April 2003, 22:34 #35 Gonzotek Gunslinger     Join Date: May 2000 Location: Terminus Posts: 4,693 Abusing power is having valuable knowledge that someone else needs and then flaming them when they ask you about it. -=Gonzotek=- I was away for a while. But I'm feeling much better now.
2nd April 2003, 22:47   #36
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Quote:
 Originally posted by Michaelthecat Our problem is that this forum is bogged down by posts that have been asked and answered many times.
Hey dude. Try responding to tech support questions for 3 years, hehe. We've got countless stickies/faq's, and a TSGH forum . . . but still we get the same questions over and over again.
The best tip I can give you is to take a page out of mine and Sawg's books, and knock up a text file of links, so when someone asks the same old question, all you need to do is point them to the relevant thread.
If it's answered in the faq, then knock up a simple copy+paste reply. Then it only takes a matter of seconds to post a reply.
And be as cool, patient and courteous as hell, no matter how much it hurts, lol.
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 Originally posted by Atero Gee, and you guys wonder why I resent the new mods so much. Wonder what this is all about? Talk to gonzoboy
Now what was it I said in the other thread about prospective moderator material?
Remember, no-one is bigger than the forums themselves.
Apparently, you've already been sent many private warnings about flaming members, and now I'm warning you in public. Persistent flaming will NOT be tolerated!
Just to let the other good people here know, Atero posted a "leaving" message, where he blatently cursed and flamed other members and moderators in person.
Not nice, not nice at all.
As evidence, the thread was (re)moved.
Trust me, you do NOT want to see it!

Whether Atero leaves on his own accord or not, you'll be seeing a lot less of him around these parts in the not too distant future... sad, but true
A temp ban means there's a second (conditional) chance.
After that, it becomes permanent.

 2nd April 2003, 22:48 #37 anubis2003 Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564 Damn it atero, now we don't have the n00binator here anymore. You did a great job of handling the n00bs most of the time - except when you went overboard and started flaming them. Oh well, should still be able to hold them off for a couple of weeks. See you when you come back(and please do come back). [Over The Monkey] | [My DeviantArt] | [Seti] | [Atmo Digital Design Forums]
 2nd April 2003, 22:52 #38 jheriko Forum King     Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150 The funny side of all of this is that the thread title is 'Please don't flame me but...' -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'
 2nd April 2003, 22:53 #39 anubis2003 Forum King     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564 LMAO. Yeah, isn't that ironic. Atero just got banned for flaming people. He didn't flame idiot though(although it's hard not to - just saying his name makes the post sound derrogatory ). [Over The Monkey] | [My DeviantArt] | [Seti] | [Atmo Digital Design Forums]
 2nd April 2003, 22:59 #40 DJ Egg TechoratorWinamp & SHOUTcast Team   Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 35,821 Yes, life can be so ironic at times However, I'm sure you'll all cope nicely in Atero's absence. Now please get back to making all those totally mental presets. Nothing else to see here. Move along. Thank you Topic continued here *whacked* /me sneaks off back to the tech forums Playlist -|- Twitter
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