Old 19th March 2005, 22:46   #81
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not a raytraced DM, just a crappy SSC but my name is Luke S. (Luuk, okay), so I just had to do this..
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Old 19th March 2005, 23:07   #82
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Old 20th March 2005, 05:26   #83
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now that i think of it......a raytraced beer bottle would make a cool preset along with some flowy thingy like beer in the background


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Old 24th March 2005, 10:07   #84
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...so the force finally returned and a new hope arose in the dismal wideness of AVS.

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i dunno i still have to sit and think over an idea for a preset for a loooooong time before i get a decent idea(!= raytraced beer bottle)


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Old 25th March 2005, 16:21   #86
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Do not lose thy patience, son! Only a frail sprout hitherto awakened upon those dusty plains...

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Old 26th March 2005, 08:41   #87
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hah. me losing patience ? nah. i have lots of it.



wait.....do i have it really?


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Old 26th March 2005, 14:28   #89
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well i'm still all up for making presets, I dont ever give up trying


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yeah, as long a it's fun to spend your time with making presets you cannot call it impatient!

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a raytraced beer bottle would make a cool preset
use a superscope. raytracing a beer bottle? i don't even know where to start on how much harder that would be and how much uglier it would look...

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that was just a guess J. I aint trying that.


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Make a good enough beer bottle and i'll make you a @ at #finnish-flash


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what about sending you a real beer bottle containing real drinkable beer by parcel post?

or two, or three...

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Make a good enough beer bottle and i'll make you a @ at #finnish-flash

Tsk tsk, trying to win back attention to #finnish-flash, when all the cool people go on #avs. tsk, tsk.




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MattFURY : you dont have mIRC?
well yeah i guess mostly sensible people have it.


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Hello, 'gentlemen', i'm new around here and i know it's a n00bish question, please don't kill me but can you give me some links to documentation, because this coding thing really kills me, won't it be better everyone to put codes somewhere, so we can use them faster?

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Jay! you here!

Welcome back to WA.com..



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Old 14th April 2005, 00:11   #102
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even though i should have skimmed the entire thread, although i'm not sure if it was stated or not...




Whats the big deal about higher resolutions requiring more cpu useage?
I mean, with technology with cpu cores and their higher and higher processing speeds, i quote Cartman "Whats the big friken deal bitch!?"

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I won't steal it bro... Assuming from the look under the glasses you have moved to a more "herbal" method.
Anyway - my opinion on the topic - tho you have said it pretty much - avs has been the same for years now, the only thing is that i became more of a coding discipline, not that it's bad tho. But nothing else, and when something doesn't change it slowly becomes inatractive to people... And we all might love that 332x227 window the world demands at least 1024 and above. Still out beloved doesn't need the VC /do not confuse with the WC, though it doesn't need it either/ it won't even ask us. Well eyecandy is all about it, fellas We all prefer the pretty women. If AVS is about to change /quite unlikely from the wa developers/ it must change radically and still be easy to use. I mean easy - even for lames like me.

PS I was wondering if people will recognise me hoped for a flame or two, kidding ofcourse but that date there really confuses me. Thank god i registered late so Tugs comes to be older than me. Hah - dinosaur /after two years of hard work i have a lot spared for beer. if ya have a trip to eastern europe i will drown ya in a lake of the same /
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even though i should have skimmed the entire thread, although i'm not sure if it was stated or not...




Whats the big deal about higher resolutions requiring more cpu useage?
I mean, with technology with cpu cores and their higher and higher processing speeds, i quote Cartman "Whats the big friken deal bitch!?"
Sorry you have failed the intellegence test for the wa.com avs forums.

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I won't steal it bro... Assuming from the look under the glasses you have moved to a more "herbal" method.
Finland is so frichen cold about 80% of the year that no herb will ever grow here

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lames like me
What you maybe lack(ed) in AVS you more than enough came up with your humourous comments in the presets Now how was it... no beans on wednesday?

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Yeah im a relic of the glorious past, when evilrice was still doing his ninja tricks, danjoe did awesome pictures&avs, degnic amazed us all with his eyecandy, maxpudding was the horniest Malaysian guy i've ever known, there was no damn satanspawned #avs...

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Sorry you have failed the intellegence test for the wa.com avs forums.
aw shucks, and it only took me so meny a year to come back after a long peroid of time of abense, to only find out that i would fail... doh!


*wonders if he could make a few new paks...*
*shakes random thought out of head*

Meh, I'm not too good with makin 3d scopes anyway


btw: so, whats with that attitude, pak?

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help! how do i unsubscribe this thread?
i didnt even subscribe it but mail about it comes to my mailbox all the time

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help! how do i unsubscribe this thread?
i didnt even subscribe it but mail about it comes to my mailbox all the time
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...btw: so, whats with that attitude, pak?
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aw, ok. just as long as you werent refering to me as a noob *points at registration dates*, and that you are just bluntly have been turned into a darker version of your former self...





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I think what PAK is trying to get across is that it can be directly inferred from your earlier statements that you dont have the required intelligence for his assistance to be of any valuable use. Although you would gain the knowledge you seek you won't actually become any more skilled at anything or anymore intelligent.

Since you are clearly unable to determine the solution to simple problems by yourself, why should you be helped? So that you can bug us with more questions that eat up even more time later?

Here is the solution in slightly simplistic logic, I have a dim hope that you might be able to glean more from this than the answer:

pixels exist and have their colours set using cpu instructions

cpu instructions take time, usually consistent for equivalent instructions

setting the color of a single pixel therefore takes some relatively fixed amount of time, assuming that we use cpu instructions for this

performing any per pixel operation adds an additional amount of time per pixel

any additional computations needed add extra amount of time per frame 't'

resolution is the width in pixels x the height in pixels... i.e. the number of pixels as an unexpanded multiplication.

.: there is a direct relationship between render time and resolution which is independent of the cpu speed. i.e. no matter how fast or slow the cpu speed is this is always a linear proportion. The fact that it is linear means that there exists some constant k such that

render time = k * resolution + t

this may look promising as k decreases as cpu speed increases.. but in reality it means very little since there is still some linear relationship.

what this means is that no matter how fast a cpu becomes (except infintely fast) higher resolutions will always produce slowdown, and the slowdown for a resolution with twice as many pixels will also be twice as big.

also in more advanced renderers the amount of time used by 't' is generally getting smaller and smaller and so the bulk of rendertime becomes tied to this linear relationship.

understand that this isn't a design flaw of these engines, it is because most of the 't' time in a rendering engine is used to calculate (visually) uglier hacks that simulate effects that need to be calculated per pixel to be accurate.

this is just a feature of rendering to a 2 dimensional pixel buffer. it will never change, since the axioms of mathematics and logic need to change first.



also remember google is your friend. and searching the forums too. do you know how many times this question has been asked here?


how much do you like answering questions all the time? when you are intelligent you get very short tempered from a lifetime of being asked stupid questions, you simply become tired of explaining things to people because they are lazy or stupid.

what is also (usually more) annoying is that these people typically make zero effort in solving their own problems and in time come to rely on smarter people helping them as a consequence. which creates a negative feedback loop...

the net result over a large population is that people like this reduce the overall intellectual development of said population. as if that isn't bad enough it gradually leads to a retarding factor due to the fact that people are more likely to pass on this form of stupidity to their children and natural selection will stop favouring the more intelligent (since they are wasting their advantage by sharing it essentially). I could go on for months, short story is:

ignorance = bad

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exactly jheriko! Turned out a bit too long, but exactly what had to be said. I wonder if we can announce it somewhere, so that all ignoramuses read it...

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meh.

sometimes i agree with that. but how does one classify of being a noob after being someone whom was a decently known person for a while, then leaving out of loss of interest, then suddenly comes back with new found interest.


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mostly a noob is someone who asks a silly question, i think

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I can definitely see why AVS is going down. I mean, this is my first post in almost a year. What would save AVS more than anything would be having its own tab on the main winamp.com site. AVS presets are really not plugins, and AVS is released with winamp and was created by winamp developers.

Also, you know how those old console (NES, SNES, SEGA, etc.) use those filter dealies to make low-rez images look good stretched to higher resolutions? Those would be great for AVS. If only there was a way to put them in.

Anyways, if AVS dies, I'll at least poke it with a stick or something before finding something else with bright colors to distract me for a while.
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I can definitely see why AVS is going down. I mean, this is my first post in almost a year. What would save AVS more than anything would be having its own tab on the main winamp.com site. AVS presets are really not plugins, and AVS is released with winamp and was created by winamp developers.

Also, you know how those old console (NES, SNES, SEGA, etc.) use those filter dealies to make low-rez images look good stretched to higher resolutions? Those would be great for AVS. If only there was a way to put them in.

Anyways, if AVS dies, I'll at least poke it with a stick or something before finding something else with bright colors to distract me for a while.
Your first point is basically that AVS needs more support from nullsoft/AOL/whomever, which is oh so true.

Those filters you refer to are morphological processing operations that (as you say) improve the visual quality when resizing low res images; however AVS renders to a variable size resolution and as such they are innapropriate (many presets run fine in high resolution)

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