Old 27th September 2007, 04:20   #1
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Complex Music

I'm looking for suggestions on artists that are musically complex, with intricate song structures, but mostly focused on complex musically. Think Bach or Hindemith. I played a piece once where the time changed every few measures, stuff like that, where there are a lot of different things going on at the same time. These can be either Classical or moderns, so long as the musical talent is there.

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Old 27th September 2007, 09:46   #2
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Song Cycle by Van Dyke Parks
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John Zorn/Naked City
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I'm not sure if you want improvised music, in that case lots of Jazz would fit as well.
And for some reason I can't think of any classical composer atm.
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Old 27th September 2007, 17:46   #3
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That's sort of what I'm looking for, but not quite. Do you know of Hindemith's Symphony in B Flat? If not, how long of a clip can I send you without it being illegal?

I'm sort of looking for the 'rock' version of that. Think of a rock band that knows what a fugue is and we'll be in business. Intricate guitars == good.

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Old 27th September 2007, 19:30   #4
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I don't know of any of the things you've mentioned, but I am a big fan of Tool and Jimi Hendrix. Tool have awesome drumming and have done some wonderful things compositionally with long tracks. Hendrix often sounds like there's more than one person playing at once when there isn't.

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king crimson , caravan and a whole load of symphonic rock bands.

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Old 28th September 2007, 06:16   #6
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Old 2nd October 2007, 03:30   #7
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Different time sigs back and fourth - Dave Brubeck/Paul Desmond (Jazz), Rush (Rock)

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Old 2nd October 2007, 09:10   #8
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You should definately check out Frank Zappa, as he has written some of the most complex music around. Many people think of him as some kind of 'comedy rocker', but this is just one facet of his music...he has written exceedingly complex pieces incorporating all sorts of styles...jazz, contemporary classical, you name it. Not to mention that he is IMO the best guitar player ever... I recommend the album 'Hot Rats' to begin with, but there's over 80 official releases to get your head around!

I can also recommend these artists:

Mr. Bungle
King Crimson
Pat Metheny
Miles Davis
Pink Floyd
Weather Report
Allan Holdsworth
Return to Forever
Mahavishnu Orchestra


if however, you are simply looking for classical-like music done in a rock style, try Yngwie Malmsteen. Also look up Adam Fulara on youtube, that guy does some incredible arrangements of Bach and the like, using 2 hands on his (electric) guitar, like a pianist.
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Old 2nd October 2007, 23:36   #9
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I couldn't agree with you more. Complex, crazy, chaotic, and a bunch of non-c adjectives too.

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Old 3rd October 2007, 00:14   #10
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Compared to Patton's work with Zorn*, or Fantômas it's rather tame though.

*as well as other Zorn projects like aforementioned Naked City
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Old 30th October 2007, 21:54   #12
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Different time sigs back and fourth - Dave Brubeck/Paul Desmond (Jazz), Rush (Rock)
Nice with the Brubeck!
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Old 30th October 2007, 23:20   #13
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Yea. I do like Malmsteen quite a lot. That's pretty close to what I'm looking for actually. I do think that the ultimate thing would be a hard rock fugue.

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Old 31st October 2007, 00:39   #14
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also, Dream Theater comes to mind.
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Old 31st October 2007, 16:48   #15
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Joe Satriani, some very complex technical rock

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Not hard rock, but he's got some amazing stuff.
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Old 2nd November 2007, 11:59   #18
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re Malmsteen, Satriani (, Vai, Dragonforce,...) I'd say shredding != complex music, but if you like it...

perhaps try What Burns Never Returns and American Don by Don Caballero, personally I found them lacking in the "music" department but they're certainly complex.
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Well, there's no doubt that Malmsteen is a shredder, but I do think that he's complex. Still haven't heard a fugue from him, though.

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Old 2nd December 2007, 01:22   #21
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Quite a lot of power metal bands incorperate classical parts into their songs.

Dragonland, Dark Moor have acutally covered some parts, which is pretty fun. Angel's Cry by Angra has a great classic bridge. Rhapsody (now called Rhapsody of Fire) are pretty cool too
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but are the songs complex?

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Returning to this thread years later, I found that I was looking for bands like Spiral Architect.

Also, Melon, I ended up really liking Rhapsody and some related bands once I heard them.

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Old 20th February 2010, 01:21   #24
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Returning to this thread years later, I found that I was looking for Red by King Crimson.
(at least that's what you get when you take the non-shit parts of bands like Spiral Architect)
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