Old 18th November 2003, 05:35   #1
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Windows rulezzz.. Linux sucks

Hi all,

Haha Microsoft Critics .... How very stupid for a bunch of guys to criticize Microsoft...

Why do most people in the world have Windows on their computer? Why are 85% of the applications in the world programmed for Windows (let it be Windows 9x, Me, NT, 2k, XP, 2k3 or even Windows Embedded CE)? All applications are first devoloped for Windows and then ported to Linux..

I do agree that Linux and Unix both have stable kernels ... Windows also has a decent kernel.. DECENT..

Wwwwwait a minute... Havent you guys heard of the Windows Longhorn OS.. I'm sure WinFS, Avalon & Indigo of Longhorn can very easily beat up Linux/Unix... Longhorn is 64bit/32bit compatible .. I'm sure capable of ANYTHING Linux or Unix can do.. and a very very much more.. Though I've not checked out the Longhorn ALPHA or else BETA.. I can make out its goin 2 be a rock solid OS ... (I'm already goin through the Programming of a Longhorn App and XAML with Longhorn code in VB .NET, VC# .NET etc. rocks!!

Linux's so-called "Gnome" is no match for Avalon or even for WinXP's GUI

Haha, Linux's CharUI ... blah ...

Newayz I'm 12 years of age and ... going & growing ... I'm almost an MCSD (a lil more exams to go) and doin my MCSE in a few..

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Old 18th November 2003, 05:58   #2
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riiiiiiiight, come back when you grow up

However i feel obligated to make a few points,

regarding the WinFS, similar filesystems are being developed for Linux aswell, one of those is Gnome Strorage, which basicly work the same way
> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html

Why does most users use Windows, well, because it's the easiest OS, and alot of properary software is being developed for Windows only.

64 bit? Linux allready does this.
> http://www.suse.com/us/private/produ...386/64bit.html
(and that's just an example=

But if you're happy with Windows, use it, im happy with Linux so that's what i use.... both has it strong and weak points.... but one thing windows is NOT , is superior.

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Old 18th November 2003, 06:11   #3
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stop stealing our jobs
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Old 18th November 2003, 09:05   #4
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Old 18th November 2003, 12:28   #5
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riiiiiiiight, come back when you grow up

However i feel obligated to make a few points,

regarding the WinFS, similar filesystems are being developed for Linux aswell, one of those is Gnome Strorage, which basicly work the same way
> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html

Why does most users use Windows, well, because it's the easiest OS, and alot of properary software is being developed for Windows only.

64 bit? Linux allready does this.
> http://www.suse.com/us/private/produ...386/64bit.html
(and that's just an example=

But if you're happy with Windows, use it, im happy with Linux so that's what i use.... both has it strong and weak points.... but one thing windows is NOT , is superior.
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ertmannCPH,

Did I even say that Linux doesnt support 64 bit?
Hmmmm.... Gnome's File System seems quite OK....
Yeah right!! Linux is superior to Windows .. NO WAY

You like Linux.... KEEP IT THAT WAY ... Unless you want a 12 year old to show you what your missing ....

There's alot more to me than just being a 12 year old ...
I wish people understood that....

Newayz I like Windows... I program in Windowz, on Windowz and for Windows and I'm goin to keep it that way...

Windows XP doesnt have any weak points ('cept for a lil unstable kernel and some glitches[*]) ... That is if people (well like you) knew how to use it..
[*] -> Yeah Windows does have some holes and bloopers that even i'm not too happy bout but overall WINDOWS ROCKS!
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Old 18th November 2003, 13:20   #6
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India is taking a lot of Americas programming jobs
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Old 18th November 2003, 14:30   #7
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*annoying buzzer sound* Wrong! It's the coporate sleaze balls that are giving those jobs to the Indian work force.
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Old 18th November 2003, 15:32   #8
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Thomas12yrold,

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Why do most people in the world have Windows on their computer? Why are 85% of the applications in the world programmed for Windows (let it be Windows 9x, Me, NT, 2k, XP, 2k3 or even Windows Embedded CE)? All applications are first devoloped for Windows and then ported to Linux..
Windows 9x, Me are Operating Systems? From when?? Ever heard about the BSOD's, hangups, cold reboots etc required by these pieces of CRAP? Head over and check out the security issues involving Windows 2K,XP,2K3 and tell me if these so called OS's with a 'decent' kernel as u mentioned are worthy enough to be compared with GNU/Linux. Btw are u using a pirated copy of Windows? Don't worry I wont be suprised if u are..98% of Windblows software is pirated in India. Add to that Office, Anti-virus, Graphics editing, Visual Studio, Games, System tools etc etc...So much for ur 85% of proprietary junk.

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Havent you guys heard of the Windows Longhorn OS.. I'm sure WinFS, Avalon & Indigo of Longhorn can very easily beat up Linux/Unix... Longhorn is 64bit/32bit compatible ..
Yes, I've heard about Windows Longhorn, looks to be very interesting with the big clock taking up half the space on the desktop. Oh! and how can I forget the cool Digital Rights Management feature u will enjoy. How much of productivity can u get out by turning windows upside down??? lol

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Linux's so-called "Gnome" is no match for Avalon or even for WinXP's GUI
Atleast its original and not a rip off from Apple! Damm, they've even ripped the concept of the start button...

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You like Linux.... KEEP IT THAT WAY ... Unless you want a 12 year old to show you what your missing ....
Yes, I'd love to know what I'm missing.

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Newayz I like Windows... I program in Windowz, on Windowz and for Windows and I'm goin to keep it that way...
Who the hell cares about that? U r the one who started trolling...

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Yeah Windows does have some holes and bloopers that even i'm not too happy bout but overall WINDOWS ROCKS!
No, Windows does not rock! The kids who use it, think it does..worse than a leaking bucket which can never be plugged..
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Old 18th November 2003, 16:06   #9
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*annoying buzzer sound* Wrong! It's the coporate sleaze balls that are giving those jobs to the Indian work force.
Actually it's americas best friend, global capitalism.

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Old 18th November 2003, 17:47   #11
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Did I even say that Linux doesnt support 64 bit?

no, did i say you did, i just said linux allready supports it, and windows doesn't

Hmmmm.... Gnome's File System seems quite OK....

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Yeah right!! Linux is superior to Windows .. NO WAY


it would be good if you cared to read what i actually wrote, if you want a discusion.

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You like Linux.... KEEP IT THAT WAY ... Unless you want a 12 year old to show you what your missing ....


I've been using Microsoft's products, before Windows was invented, my first OS was MSDOS 5.0. And i've been using Microsoft products all the way up to WindowsXP, and then i switched to Linux - i know exactly what i'm missing - and no, i don't miss it. Have you even tried out Linux?

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There's alot more to me than just being a 12 year old ...
I wish people understood that....


Then maybe you should stop speaking l33t speach, and listen to other people's points when you argue

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Newayz I like Windows... I program in Windowz, on Windowz and for Windows and I'm goin to keep it that way...


well good for you, and that's perfectly fine - the same way it's perfectly fine i use Linux

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Windows XP doesnt have any weak points ('cept for a lil unstable kernel and some glitches[*]) ... That is if people (well like you) knew how to use it..


WTF? who says i don't know how to use Windows.... i do, i was a windows user until 3 months ago. And yes, windows does have weak points.

My main point of switching is that now allmost every piece of software is free and legal copies. I can tweak my OS fx. by recompiling the kernel - i can't do that in windows.
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Old 18th November 2003, 18:19   #12
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Some people think I'm crazy, some people agree with me ...
I've been using windows for 7 years, I started with Windows 95 and stoped @ Windows 98 SE ... why !?
Well, when i bought this new PC I'm on, I've tried WinXP, and before that I've already worked on a WinXp PC .. and well ... IT'S DAMN CRAPPY !!
Don't tell me I don't know how to use WinXP because my father is a informatic teacher ... and made his text for draduation about Windows, all versions, and he teaches me everything I got to learn ...
And, well, I'd really like to try linux, but I'm very lazy ...
I just wish I would learn how to separate my HD ... That would be the first step, and second, I'd like to know a good and friendly version of linux, and some things of how working in it ... as well that Windows has only desapointed me ....
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besides, you should thank all of us giving Microsoft just a small amount of competition - just see what happended when MS won the browser war. how old is IE6?
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Old 18th November 2003, 19:34   #14
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I use WinXP and I really like it, I haven't formatted since February, which a record for me when I used to format about twice a week with win98. To be honest I'm not that impressed with Linux but this might be because my experience lies with Solaris as a Unix system and Windows as a friendly OS. To me Linux is trying hard to bridge the gap but it just isn't there yet. For starters it's no where near as stable as Solaris, most of the GUI config management tools I've tried don't work and crash excessivly. Not even XP is as bad as it is. I also don't find it any more stable than XP as a whole OS, it does some very strange things and has crashed on numerous occasions. So as a desktop its just as stable as XP but more difficult to use and doesn't support some of the fantastic programs windows does. Visio, for example, is now the greatest program ever created in my opinion.

So Linux isn't as good as Solaris as a server or a desktop, they're similar usability wise but Solaris is way more stable, especially as a desktop. For novice user Linux is not at all suitable, windows is fantastic in this regard and as much as I like Solaris for many things, you just can't beat downloading something, running an installer and loading up this new program with no fuss whatso ever.

Give Linux a few more years and it'll hopefully get there but the developers have to realise that ease of use for all destop users is more important than anything else.

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i've only had one crash with Linux so far, and that was probably my gfx card overheating.

What distribution did you try philly?
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Old 18th November 2003, 20:55   #16
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Mandrake, as that's the only one I've been able to install ok. Slackware just won't boot properly after I've installed it and RedHat crashes all the time dure install, plus I don't want to use RedHat due to their current lisencing and support policy. I'm going to try installing SuSE now. I'll let you know how it goes....

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I have great experiences with RedHat and SuSE. I don't use Solaris for SPARC that much.
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yep, that's why i like Linux.

Thomas12yrold, have you ever tired Linux? What troubles are you having with Linux? I have tried Windows BTW (And almost every other OS in the world), and i have no problems with it as a business OS.
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Old 19th November 2003, 02:16   #18
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I've never tried Linux yet, but I'm thinking of switching soon. WinXP is really pissing me off lately, it crashes every 3 hours on me now.

I read somewhere where Windows is starting to give their source code out to different countries. I think Russia was first...

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Old 19th November 2003, 04:11   #19
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People, people. Ignore the silly trolls.

12 year old claiming to be an MSCD :lol:
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yeah, i wondered what MSCD was?

go away silly trolls
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Old 19th November 2003, 15:40   #21
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I think he ment MCSE. A close friend of mine has one. See. Windows machines break so fast you need to hire someone to fix it.
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yeah, i wondered what MSCD was?

go away silly trolls
I am sure he meant MCSD but that is even less beleivable than MCSE.

http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/mcp/mcsd/

Strangely I don't beleive a 12 year old is going to have this certification and not already have his MCSE.
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Old 20th November 2003, 19:05   #23
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you seen the alpha and beta? i did not even know longhorn had either out. also didn't microsoft scapted the current longhorn and started it over from scratch? either that or they were talking about there new file system that is totally in XML

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Once again, another ignorant juvenile punk joins up to the forum. Come back when you learn to spell, formulate sentences and write coherently, and become educated about WHY we dislike Windows.

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Old 22nd November 2003, 02:42   #25
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I think he ment MCSE. A close friend of mine has one. See. Windows machines break so fast you need to hire someone to fix it.
MCSD and MCSE are two different things. MCSD is for development using Microshaft tools, while MCSE is for networking with Microshaft tools. Having an MCSD is not proof that you're good in programming. It just means, to the employer, that you know how to use VB-Not-Yet or whatever.

Keep in mind that having a four year in Computer Science is waaay better than any of this certification crap.

12-year-old, thanks for starting this thread, you child. Expect to be humiliated very badly in public from now on.

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Windows for a desktop OS for now for most users. Win2k when patched up against the nasty worms and stuff is a fine OS for everyday use.
Maybe you could get by with linux only in an office enviroment for word processing and such.

Linux for servers. Dont have anything more to say (except maybe FreeBSD).

XFree still makes all graphics on the CPU, the first thing they need to do is dump it and make something new that will render the desktop on the videocard like OS X and win XP do if they want it to be a desktop OS
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XFree still makes all graphics on the CPU, the first thing they need to do is dump it and make something new that will render the desktop on the videocard like OS X and win XP do if they want it to be a desktop OS
...wouldn't that be the window manager's job?
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Old 22nd November 2003, 17:29   #28
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LMAO, I love this shit. I also have been using MS OS's since MS-Dos 5.0. Which in comparison to winblows, was actaully stable. Now I use winxp pro ("borrowed") because I dont see need to pay for an os that has security leaks.
I have been considering learning linux. The only reason I haven't yet is becuase a) I don't know what I have to do to get my dual monitor setup working on it. b) I simply dont have time for the learning curve. c) there is great OS course at my iniversity that I have to take any way. So once I take that I will most likley switch to linux.

I have heard the linux is more stable than winblows. Well, I have been using xp for about a year now, and I have to say that I have never had a BSOD. It has crashed here and there, but that was my fault, "learning" the registry via trial-and-error.

My point: Everyone bashes the big guy, ie MS. Thats normal. I personally try to have a more objective view. Both os's have thier strong points. Mac's are great for the average person who knows nothing about computers and doesn;t want to, Winblows would be a good way to learn more. Linux IMHO, is great for the developer/hacker, Its free(legaly), open source, stable, and comes in many flavours.

I personally use XP beacause i dont have to pay for it. MSDNAA.


BTW, What the hell does a 12 year child know about programming. And does he actually think that we are going to belive that he is a MSCD?
I call bullshit

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Old 22nd November 2003, 17:44   #29
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I can tweak my OS fx. by recompiling the kernel - i can't do that in windows.
Let's face it: Linux is sexy. Hard for a 12-year-old to understand.
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Hehe

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Old 22nd November 2003, 18:21   #31
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no, did i say you did, i just said linux allready supports it, and windows doesn't
i thought windows XP 64-bit edition had been around for a while now?

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It has, and at a very bloated price at that - and did I mention it only works with INTEL Chipsets???

As to this 12 year old - I don't believe you understand this topic. Windows has so many security flaws, holes, exploits, hardware problems, etc. etc. that I can't even be bothered to post it.

The only reason I don't use Linux (SuSe 8.2 Pro for all you Newbies wanting to learn - Easy install, good GUI, and as many pre-installed programs as you could possibly ever shake a stick at) is because my ADSL Modem is designed for Windows.

I do believe it is possible for a 12 year old t have this kind of knowledge - Search for "Ilia Karmanov" on Google, who incidentally got a "B" in his Computing A-Level when he was 11, and goes to my school. I am just 13, but I am starting to learn delphi at the moment.

This 12 year old, however, sounds far too arrogant to have these kind of Qualifications, even though it is possible to take them.

I ask you only one thing, 12 year old - Did you even get your parents to sign so you could access the forum?

If not, you are breaking the forum contract, and should be banned.

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Of course there are child prodigies, but I think he is trying to impress us. If he did have the MSCD, then he would talk like a responsible human being.

Maybe he's using MSCD to mean something else: Microsoft CD, or MSCE = Microsoft Windows CE.
Just a thought.

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I say let people use Windows, if thats what they want, and get slammed with all the worms going around. Maybe then they'll learn that you shouldn't trust the software aspect of computers to Microsoft.

Or maybe they wont get slammed with the worms, because they paid extra for virus protection! Virus protection in Linux is available, but not necessary.

With Linux, you can change practicly any aspect of it. Some Windows users are facinated by what they can change in the dump of the registry, which is, in reality only entry-level customization. In Linux you can edit the source (as it is open), and recompile and optimize things to suit your needs.
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of course, changing kernel source is of absolutely no use at all to 99% of computer users. few of those who know how to do it even bother, so the benefits - while real - are not really as all-encompassing as a lot of people try to make out.

as for worm/virus protection, worm protection can be achieved easily with free software (or just updating windows - the blaster virus would have been avoided if people had updated any time in the three months preceding its release, or something), and virii can be avoided by common sense (although *nix's architecture is a lot more resistant to them, by design - that's a benefit of UNIX-based systems in general, not just linux).

i'm happy with my windows box. it's worm and virus free. it took little to no effort to do that - it's as easy to make a windows box worm-resistant as it is to recompile the linux kernel, even with tools. i find it a better environment to use for day-to-day use. in particular it plays games that linux just can't support (which is something that a lot of people are working on). my linux box is a different idea altogether - i use it for "technical" things - coding, networking, etc. it's more of a "geek" OS. my linux box runs entirely remotely, with no keyboard, mouse or monitor. this is a good thing - it can be done with windows, but i suspect it doesn't do it as well (remote desktop seems unnecessary when everything you want to do is command-line-based...).

linux isn't a complete windows replacement, yet. if people begin to believe it is in every respect, then this is how complacency ensues.

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I've tried winSSH and it works but you just get an XP cmd prompt which is to be quite frank the worst POS in the world ever. I have found a use for it though, having said that I'd rarely ever use it.

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I'd have to agree with zootm that in most cases, when Linux is used on a desktop computer, it is under the control of a geek (such as me using Debian Linux). However, I installed a distro that you have to pay for called Xandros, on my grandmothers computer, and if you have a look at it you will probably agree that its not hard to use at all. So far there hasn't been any problems with her using it.
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Re: Windows rulezzz.. Linux sucks

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Haha Microsoft Critics .... How very stupid for a bunch of guys to criticize Microsoft...

Why do most people in the world have Windows on their computer? Why are 85% of the applications in the world programmed for Windows (let it be Windows 9x, Me, NT, 2k, XP, 2k3 or even Windows Embedded CE)? All applications are first devoloped for Windows and then ported to Linux..

I do agree that Linux and Unix both have stable kernels ... Windows also has a decent kernel.. DECENT..

Wwwwwait a minute... Havent you guys heard of the Windows Longhorn OS.. I'm sure WinFS, Avalon & Indigo of Longhorn can very easily beat up Linux/Unix... Longhorn is 64bit/32bit compatible .. I'm sure capable of ANYTHING Linux or Unix can do.. and a very very much more.. Though I've not checked out the Longhorn ALPHA or else BETA.. I can make out its goin 2 be a rock solid OS ... (I'm already goin through the Programming of a Longhorn App and XAML with Longhorn code in VB .NET, VC# .NET etc. rocks!!

Linux's so-called "Gnome" is no match for Avalon or even for WinXP's GUI

Haha, Linux's CharUI ... blah ...

Newayz I'm 12 years of age and ... going & growing ... I'm almost an MCSD (a lil more exams to go) and doin my MCSE in a few..

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12 years of age... and growing... shall we say, more ignorant. You need to learn how to back up your claims.

The applications are written for Windows, because more people use Windows. Windows was around first, and has had plenty more time to stretch its legs.

Longhorn is nowhere close to release status. Have you ever read of the enormous performance hit that WinFS causes right now? Yea... thought you might have missed that. That's why people who are using Longhorn have to disable WinFS... and so this "great new feature" is currently not of any use. And there's also this other nifty filesystem out there called ReiserFS...

Rock-solid OS, ha. Mm-hmm. And secure, right? Who are you kidding? Your typical Windows user doesn't want to be bothered with the details of making their box relatively hack-proof. They want something that just... works. And Windows does just that very well-it "just works". Unfortunately, it's also very capable at being full of security holes. I personally haven't gotten a virus or worm on my Windows boxes yet, but I know plenty more who are not so fortunate. I typically get a couple IMs from friends each week who've gotten a virus or trojan or worm. Should it *really* be that easy to get one? I'm not saying that Linux is perfect either, but many distros achieve the goal of "secure by default" much better (Lindows being one exception). And IIS. You seem to have missed all those Unicode exploits a while back. And why check sizes? Let's just hope everything fits in the buffer!

You clearly have a lot to learn still. I will admit that Windows XP has improved a lot and even surprised me sometimes. But it's certainly not "the superior OS" you seem to think it is. It clearly has many issues of its own to overcome. Frankly, I dislike people who are completely one-sided in these sorts of arugments. XP has its set of strong points, and so does Linux. But to claim that one IS the best--that's complete ignorance.
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Old 23rd November 2003, 01:24   #39
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ertmannCPH,

Did I even say that Linux doesnt support 64 bit?
Hmmmm.... Gnome's File System seems quite OK....
Yeah right!! Linux is superior to Windows .. NO WAY

You like Linux.... KEEP IT THAT WAY ... Unless you want a 12 year old to show you what your missing ....

There's alot more to me than just being a 12 year old ...
I wish people understood that....

Newayz I like Windows... I program in Windowz, on Windowz and for Windows and I'm goin to keep it that way...

Windows XP doesnt have any weak points ('cept for a lil unstable kernel and some glitches[*]) ... That is if people (well like you) knew how to use it..
[*] -> Yeah Windows does have some holes and bloopers that even i'm not too happy bout but overall WINDOWS ROCKS!
Maybe you should learn how to SPELL. Pluralization is done with a 's', not a 'z'. And how does Windows XP not have any weak points? Conveniently enough, one of the critical updates for XP had a EULA that basically gives MS to do whatever it wants to your computer. XP just recently ate my MFT, due to no fault of my own. So what is this about "any weak points"? And I'm afraid I know how to use XP--much more than you do.

I have a great idea of what I'm missing when I don't use Windows. I'm missing lots of security bugs that Microsoft ignores for months and that browser called Internet Explorer. Oh, I don't think I've talked about IE yet! Do I need to mention how standards-UNcompliant it is? The box model was FINALLY fixed in IE6, but unfortunately, elementary things such as alpha channels in PNGs are STILL not supported.

Conclusion: your grounds are baseless. You claim "Yeah right!! Linux is superior to Windows .. NO WAY". Uh, I see absolutely NO justification in there. Try again.
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i once heard somewhere:
With windows you get just the doors and windows (but only half of the locks) and a nice painting to hang somewhere.
With linux you get the full house (but in bricks and wood and a hammer and some nails).



Really, linux is a pain in the ass to setup and after 3 days i still havent got my modem working, and with no internet = no place to go ask for help = arg arg arg. And nautilus has crashed mutliple times too as well as the mandrake config thing. But most things work other than that. Mandrake found my printer. I can access my windows partitions but only from root :P I can listen to mp3s in xmms (well if i can access my winddows partitons or off a CD). Open office works just fine. And mandrake doesnt install barely any console apps :P
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