Old 28th January 2006, 10:49   #1
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(Washington, D.C., January 25, 2006) - In a reversal of policy, the United States on Monday backed an Iranian initiative to deny United Nations consultative status to organizations working to protect the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people. In a letter to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, a coalition of 40 organizations, led by the Human Rights Campaign, Human Rights Watch, the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, called for an explanation of the vote which aligned the United States with governments that have long repressed the rights of sexual minorities.

“This vote is an aggressive assault by the U.S. government on the right of sexual minorities to be heard,” said Scott Long, director of the LGBT rights program at Human Rights Watch. “It is astonishing that the Bush administration would align itself with Sudan, China, Iran and Zimbabwe in a coalition of the homophobic.”

In May 2005, the International Lesbian and Gay Association, which is based in Brussels, and the Danish gay rights group Landsforeningen for Bøsser og Lesbiske (LBL) applied for consultative status with the UN Economic and Social Council. Consultative status is the only official means by which non-governmental organizations (NGOs) around the world can influence and participate in discussions among member states at the United Nations. Nearly 3,000 groups enjoy this status.

States opposed to the two groups’ applications moved to have them summarily dismissed, an almost unprecedented move at the UN, where organizations are ordinarily allowed to state their cases. The U.S. abstained on a vote which would have allowed the debate to continue and the groups to be heard. It then voted to reject the applications.

“The United States recklessly ignored its own reporting proving the need for international support for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people,” said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. “The State Department’s ‘Country Reports on Human Rights Practices’ show severe human rights violations based on gender identity and sexual orientation occur around the world.”

As the U.S. government acknowledged in its 2004 country report on Iran, Iranian law punishes homosexual conduct between men with the death penalty. Human Rights Watch has documented four cases of arrests, flogging, or execution of gay men in Iran since 2003. In its 2004 country report on Zimbabwe, the U.S. government noted President Robert Mugabe’s public denouncement of homosexuals, blaming them for “Africa's ills.” In the past, Mugabe has called gays and lesbians “people without rights” and “worse than dogs and pigs.”
The U.S. has reversed position since 2002, when it voted to support the International Lesbian and Gay Association’s request to have its status reviewed. Officials gave no explanation for the change.

“It is deeply disturbing that, at the UN, the United States has shifted gears toward an aggressive stance against human rights for LGBT people,” said Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission. “Unfortunately, denying LGBT groups a voice and a presence within the United Nations – the world's most important human rights institution – is fully in keeping with the U.S.’s assault on basic human rights principles worldwide.”

In voting against the applications to the NGO committee, the U.S. was joined by Cameroon, China, Cuba, Iran, Pakistan, the Russian Federation, Senegal, Sudan, and Zimbabwe. Votes in favor of consultative status came from Chile, France, Germany, Peru, and Romania. Colombia, India, and Turkey abstained, while Côte d'Ivoire was absent.

“It is an absolute outrage that the United States has chosen to align itself with oppressive governments – all in an effort to smother the voices of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people around the world,” said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. “It is deeply disturbing that the self-proclaimed ‘leader of the free world’ will ally with bigots at the drop of a hat to advance the right wing’s anti-gay agenda.”

In addition to the Human Rights Campaign, Human Rights Watch, the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, the organizations signing the letter are:

Advocates for Youth
Al-Fatiha Foundation for LGBT Muslims
Allard K. Lowenstein International Human Rights Clinic, Yale Law School
Amnesty International USA
Catholics for a Free Choice
Center for Health and Gender Equity (CHANGE)
Center for Women’s Global Leadership
Colombian Lesbian and Gay Association (COLEGA)
Congregation Beth Simchat Torah
Equality Now
Family Care International
Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
Gay Men’s Health Crisis
Global Rights
Immigration Equality
International Women’s Human Rights Clinic, City University of New York School of Law
Ipas
Jan Hus Church
Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund
Latino Commission on AIDS
L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center
Legal Momentum
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center (New York City)
MADRE
Mano a Mano
Metropolitan Community Churches
National Black Justice Coalition
National Center for Transgender Equality
National Coalition Building Institute Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender Caucus
National Center for Lesbian Rights
New Hampshire Freedom to Marry Coalition
Open Society Institute
Queer Progressive Agenda
Queers for Economic Justice
Sexuality Information and Education Council of the U.S.
Women's Environment and Development Organization
And I was under the impression that this was 2006, not 1581.
Thanks, for stepping back further into archaism.

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Old 28th January 2006, 11:03   #2
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Old 28th January 2006, 12:54   #3
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Old 28th January 2006, 13:02   #4
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Old 28th January 2006, 13:54   #5
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In a reversal of policy, the United States on Monday backed an Iranian initiative to deny United Nations consultative status to organizations working to protect the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people.
Birds of a feather...
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Old 28th January 2006, 16:35   #6
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I seem to misunderstand the role of the UN.
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Old 28th January 2006, 16:56   #7
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The UN is a good idea, but for the most part, I think it's a joke. And my country's government is pissing me off more and more every single day...
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Old 28th January 2006, 17:47   #8
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I'm being serious, I thought it was for nations, not human rights groups.
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Nations (as questionable as that term is), not governments.
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Old 28th January 2006, 18:25   #11
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I'm being serious, I thought it was for nations, not human rights groups.
All political systems take outside consultation. The notion that politicians know enough on their own to make good decisions is absurd.

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Old 29th January 2006, 00:29   #12
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"Hot Bunny Terrorist Fluffer Banana
Horse Sex Porn Candy Teens Homemade
Nuke Porn Lollipop Kiddie Nipple Bomb!!!"



By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, January 25, 2006

Attention, all who are reading this column right now, please put down your
drink and leap up off the couch and put your pants back on and log in to
Google and type the words "hot bunny terrorist fluffer banana" into the
comely and world-beloved Google search engine. Do it. Do it now.

Oh no wait, make it "Osama butt pancake lube explosives yay." Or better
yet, try "homemade nuke porn lollipop kiddie nipple bomb!!!" (Be sure to
include extra exclamation points because as we all know, Dubya isn't the
brightest of presidents and these will add zing and personality to your
entry and make your search terms -- the very ones the Bush administration
is right now subpoenaing the Google corporation to gain access to --
really stand out to the FBI and the Department of Justice, which are
always in need of a little zing).

It shall be a mini-movement. It shall be called "Operation Screw With the
DOJ and Make Lynne Cheney Squirm." It shall be a big national gigglefest
as we watch George W. Bush's gummint work to force and coerce the search
engines of the nation to turn over their massive logs of search terms, all
in an effort to see what perverted and criminal-minded people like you are
really searching for, and sure you can defend yourself and claim it's
pictures of Brangelina or recipes for blood orange/vodka body shots or
just what the hell is wrong with Samuel Alito to make him look so wan and
malicious, when we all know you're really looking for, of course, massive
amounts of porn. And so are your kids.

Is it not just the warmest and nicest sensation? Is it not just pleasing
to your core to know that your government is right now trying to track
your behavior in a whole new and unsettling way, using the vague excuse
that they're trying to "protect" children from online porn (an effort, by
the way, to reinstate nasty anti-porn laws that were blocked by the
Supreme Court two years ago)? Are we now utterly charmed to death that
this is the most invasive and appallingly mistrustful administration since
Nixon secretly beat himself with nails?

Now here you might say, oh please, the feds issuing subpoenas to Google
and Yahoo and the rest for access to their search logs is nothing to be
overly paranoid about. After all, BushCo is not, at this time, asking for
information on individual behaviors. They are not checking the IP address
of your home computer or secretly recording your every keystroke as you
type or looking through your windows with high-powered telescopes as you
look up the hideous "Goatse" phenomenon (Google it, if you dare) or buy a
Jesus-shaped dildo or search for a big list of all known slang terms for
"penis" for use in your, uh, novel. So far as you know.

But it certainly doesn't feel very far off. BushCo's latest move against
the citizenry is indeed a new and disturbing salvo, sending a shiver down
the spine of civil rights proponents everywhere. Are you concerned? No?

Then try this: Simply couple this latest move with BushCo's outright love
and defense of torture, along with Dubya's recent enthusiastic declaration
that his team of flying monkeys has been secretly wiretapping whomever it
wants in this nation for the past four years without any sort of warrant
and, well, you've got yourself one hell of a big sticky taste of happy
neofascism.

What, not enough? Fine. How about how Bush's insane rate of issuing those
now-infamous "signing statements," those little firebombs of judicial
misprision wherein your mumbling president gets to reserve for himself the
right to ignore any law he signs -- yes, any law he desires: anti-torture,
surveillance, you name it -- whenever he feels like it, if he deems that
law unconstitutional. Screw Congress. Screw the system of law. And screw,
well, you.

For the record: Ronald Reagan issued 71 signing statements during his
unholy term. Bill Clinton issued 105 over the span of eight years. Bush 41
signed off on 146, the previous record.

And Dubya? Well, little George has slapped his color-crayon signature on
over 500 signing statements so far, reserving his right to disregard the
law more times than all former American presidents combined. It is a
record. It is a disgusting abuse of power. It is another thing to stack on
the pile o' embarrassment for our nation. Shall we see how high we can go
before we topple and implode?

Here is the beautiful kicker, the thing to make you shudder and sigh: As
this Knight Ridder report illuminates, in 2003 lawmakers attempted to rein
in Bush's abuse of signing statements by passing a bill that required the
Justice Department to inform Congress whenever BushCo decided to ignore a
legislative provision. Bush signed the bill into law -- but then
immediately issued a signing statement asserting his right to ignore it.
Ah, the nauseating poetry of it all.)

It is amusing how little I am hearing in defense of BushCo anymore. The
rafts of flaming hate mail I used to receive from the sanctimonious right
has subsided to a withered whimper, nothing really to defend anymore, one
of the most corrupt and secretive presidencies in American history, more
criminals and indictments per square White House foot than a den of drug
runners, a decimated economy and a failed war and thousands of soldiers
dead and tens of thousands disabled and not a single explanation or
apology.

No one is writing in anymore to say what a good and noble man Bush is. No
one pointing up stats to prove how Dubya and his cronies have brought
integrity and honor back to the White House. And never a single voiced
raised in meek cry to claim that we are somehow better off than we were
six years ago, that there's a new feeling of hope and renewal, the
slightest hint that we are improving our ability to take care of our poor
and rebuild our bankrupt cities and help heal our mauled international
relations.

Hell, even the most devout of Bush sycophants are becoming increasingly
disturbed by this administration's unchecked power grab, by the new
American neofascist mantra that claims that wiretapping is good, and
surveillance is good, and torture and secret prisons are very, very good,
and Big Brother scouring America's Internet habits is fine and healthy for
your family, and ignoring the law whenever you deem it appropriate, a
provision that lets you get away with murder, well, in the parlance of
Bush himself, that's the goodest of all.

So then, as we wait to vote huge numbers of these corrupt cretins out of
office this upcoming congressional election, why not make as much noise as
possible? Why not start a mini- search revolution, fluster the FBI and
give a rash to the DOJ and Lynne Cheney alike? There are worse ways to
spend your lunch hour.

Up, off the couch. Log in to Google. Type "Karl Rove eaten by giant
homosexual squid." Type "George W. Bush beaten to lifeless pulp by swarm
of angry kindergarten children." Enter "Samuel Alito loves his 'Weapons of
Ass Destruction IV' DVD." It might not be much, but it sure sends the
right kind of message. Don't you agree?

http://www.sfgate.com/op-ed
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Old 29th January 2006, 14:50   #15
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http://www.beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/07/2999.shtml

This is a picture of the Iranians hanging some teenagers for being gay. But it's not a different thing than what would happen to gays in Iraq or Afghanistan before we invaded. If you are a gay activist in Saudi Arabia this is your fate too. Usually the Saudis just throw you in jail for being quietly gay.

In Saudi Arabia, Iran, Mauritania, Sudan, Somalia, Somaliland, and Yemen the official penalty for being gay is death. Most of the other countries prosecute it under public morality laws.

This being very wrong is not in question. But whether the UN can or should try to do anything about it by sanctions etc. is a big question.

If the UN imposed economic sanctions to support gay rights in many of these countries, I think the backlash against the gays would be worst than doing nothing.

Arab attitudes about this are not going to change soon. I think we try to figure out how to negotiate freedom for women first. That will probably be a major concession.

In most of these countries "death" is a really big deal and the punishment for lots of stuff. It's just not Islamic justice without some death, dismemberment or extreme cruelty.

Gay in Iran?. Move or don't be gay.

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They've got well hung gays in Iran.
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Old 29th January 2006, 16:25   #17
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While I love sick humor just as much as the next guy, I can't bring myself to laugh because I'm appalled so much at the picture roh posted just above. It's disgusting to think that those fucking camel jockeys will kill people just because they're gay. I'm not gay, but I don't hate homosexual people just because they're homosexual, and I can't see how they think it's a crime punishable by death. Child molestation, murder, and rape are crimes that should be punishable by death... not being gay.
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I think you meant "lol"
No no no, I thought my link was funny because Google put in the: "Did you mean: 'Karl Rove eaten by giant homosexual squid.'" bit which was just funny to see.


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Old 29th January 2006, 18:20   #19
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It's disgusting to think that those fucking camel jockeys will kill people just because they're gay.
We slaughtered American Indians just because they were here first. But, yea, they're not all camel jockeys.
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Old 29th January 2006, 23:27   #20
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That's why I said "those" fucking camel jockeys. It isn't all of them, just those few (which seems to be a lot of them) that would string a man up because he's gay... or strap a bomb to his chest and kill a bunch of innocent people "in the name of allah"... or would hijack a plane full of innocent people and crash it into a building to get revenge on "the infidels." Sorry, they can burn for all I care.

Does that mean that I think what the first settlers did to the Native Americans was right? No. But that was a couple hundred years ago and I had nothing to do with it.
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Old 30th January 2006, 00:28   #21
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sickening.

at least it's over - for them anyway.

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That's why I said "those" fucking camel jockeys. It isn't all of them, just those few (which seems to be a lot of them) that would string a man up because he's gay... or strap a bomb to his chest and kill a bunch of innocent people "in the name of allah"... or would hijack a plane full of innocent people and crash it into a building to get revenge on "the infidels." Sorry, they can burn for all I care.

Does that mean that I think what the first settlers did to the Native Americans was right? No. But that was a couple hundred years ago and I had nothing to do with it.
Yea, I agree dude!
That was a shitty last couple of posts that I laid in here.
I'm on your side. To pull stupid crap like these fanatics do only hurts their cause.
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I might feel a little better if these "fanatics" were that or a lynch mob or like that. But this is the "legitimate" government of Iran in action. These kids got a trial, probably in a building not too much different from the ones that we'd go to for a court date.
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This being very wrong is not in question. But whether the UN can or should try to do anything about it by sanctions etc. is a big question.
Agreed. Which is why pro-gay rights groups should be allowed to be a part of reasoned debate within the UN. Writing them out (in particular - if the movement was to ban all pressure groups this would be completely different) benefits no-one in terms of freedom.

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Gay in Iran?. Move or don't be gay.
The second is clearly not an option (although you could of course just be asexual, but that's a bit funny in itself), and the first really isn't an option for many either. Unfortunately.

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No no no, I thought my link was funny because Google put in the: "Did you mean: 'Karl Rove eaten by giant homosexual squid.'" bit which was just funny to see.
, sorry, didn't even see that.

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Agreed. Which is why pro-gay rights groups should be allowed to be a part of reasoned debate within the UN. Writing them out (in particular - if the movement was to ban all pressure groups this would be completely different) benefits no-one in terms of freedom.
Yeah, but the gay are annoying and whiners. We don't kill em' in this country, so quitcherbitchin. When we can negotiate some sort of minimal civil rights, then we can talk about gay.

I think, if you're gay, that people shouldn't kill or abuse you. Past that.....?.
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I think, if you're gay, that people shouldn't kill or abuse you. Past that.....?.
I'd just say that creating any law that affects those who are gay unequally should be outlawed. That basically covers everything. But the point remains — why exclude gay-rights groups in particular?

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I'd just say that creating any law that affects those who are gay unequally should be outlawed. That basically covers everything. But the point remains — why exclude gay-rights groups in particular?
That's a bit broad for my taste — anything which directly affects those who are gay, perhaps...

But yes, excluding gay-rights groups is stupid.

(Incidentally, I noticed you used an mdash HTML escape - good show!)

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(Incidentally, I noticed you used an mdash HTML escape - good show!)
I didn't realise you could use them on here until quite recently I saw someone else do it &mdash; it may have been you?

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I might feel a little better if these "fanatics" were that or a lynch mob or like that. But this is the "legitimate" government of Iran in action. These kids got a trial, probably in a building not too much different from the ones that we'd go to for a court date.
But what was their crime? Just being who they are?

Countries like that really REALLY piss me off
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"Camel-Jockey" is slang for Arabs. Most Iranians are of Persian decent.
You guys could at least get your racial slurs right.

And those boys have really clean, well-pressed shirts.
Some things are universal.


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Maybe we should just drop the Iranian government off down at Darcelles and let the drag queens kick ass...
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I didn't realise you could use them on here until quite recently I saw someone else do it &mdash; it may have been you?
Quite possibly &mdash; I've been using them for a while, ever since I noticed that HTML escapes actually work.

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Old 2nd February 2006, 20:20   #35
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"did you know? the hames is a gay pride organization"

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Old 2nd February 2006, 23:11   #36
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Llamas? Llamas are gay? What?


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Old 3rd February 2006, 13:18   #38
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I'd just say that creating any law that affects those who are gay unequally should be outlawed. That basically covers everything. But the point remains &mdash; why exclude gay-rights groups in particular?
As far as the gay go. Fuck em. Nobody kills you or keeps you from getting a job. Social injustice cured. Problem over. Shut up.

This should get handled under normal human rights. Where the government just doesn't kill people..... for like ... well no really good reason at all. Like happens all over the world.


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Why exclude gay-rights groups in particular, though?

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Old 3rd February 2006, 15:01   #40
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what about straight-rights groups?
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