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Well, the true colors show through. You are quite intolerant, and now you are calling someone (A forum moderator) a name because he said something about your spelling. Does that tell you anything about yourself?

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Im not a hater and I respect all the religions in the world.
I'm not a hater beither but I seriously do not respect any religion. There all just a mis-concieved, bigotted, contradictory, hipocritical, long out dated, immoral, racist and hate incitement bunch of draconian concepts that should have been placed squarely where they belong long, long ago...

Namely - the bin!

That doesn't mean that I do not believe that there is a possibility of an excistence within a meta-physical plane. I belong to it anyway as I am allready a part of the energy that we all come from. I do not believe though that energy is some 'Omnipotent Being' because some moron a couple of thousand years ago said so. I need a little more proof than that.

This is plain and simple 'Hate and Racist' incitement feeding on peoples want to 'Mass Hysteria'. Mass Hysteria is simple, DJ's do it at raves, Rock Bands do it, Hitler did it - all of these are examples as is this. Heck - just think of The Beatles and Shea Stadium - a classic example of 'Mass Hysteria'.

I have observed most types of Religion of all denominations and as yet have to observe one live upto any form of basic moral concept. nd certainly not one allows me to exercise my own 'FreeWill' or 'Self-Choice'.

And they will all try to 'Convert' to there respective Religion - Got to fill those 'Donation' plates somehow, haven't they....

And heres me thinking it nothing to do with money lmao

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I'm not a hater beither but I seriously do not respect any religion. There all just a mis-concieved, bigotted, contradictory, hipocritical, long out dated, immoral, racist and hate incitement bunch of draconian concepts that should have been placed squarely where they belong long, long ago...
Frankly I think it's leaving those traditional values that are causing most of our problems. I haven't been mugged by a mormon lately.....

OK, so what dirt ball thing did you want to do that religion would frown on?. Drugs?. Promiscuous sex?. Being a fag?.

Thousands of years of history teach us what civilized behavior was supposed to look like. But this generation knows better?.

My parents started this shit. My generation continued it and you youngs guys have taken liberalism to it's scummy pinnacle.

Being half way through my life at least... It's all wrong. Go to church, say your prayers and you'll be a lot better off.

Your hero should be Jesus, not Madonna.
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Fuck, if I hear one more person say how terrible and evil liberalism is I think I'm going to scream.

I know, let's put those niggers back in their place and take women's voting rights away. Back to the old days, when liberalism was still far away. Granted, liberalism has been getting pretty insane lately but I'd rather have runaway liberalism than runaway conservatism which would probably result in the above.

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Burning down embassies is not terrorist behaviour, it's rebel behaviour, I'd say. That is, if the government was attempting to stop them.
Technically an attack on a country's embassy can be considered an act of war. Anyway if you're so against labelling anyone as a terrorist just replace terrorist behavior with violent behavior in my previous post.

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They have a right to be mad. What would you do if people posted pictures of Jesus doing wrong? All they want is the drawers to be trialed. Also, not all Muslims are terrorist, if a few blew up a building, it doesn't mean they all support them or act as they do.

Religion is serious.

Im not a hater and I respect all the religions in the world.
Nobody burned anything down because of Piss Christ I wonder what the reaction would be if it were a tiny Quran submerged in a glass of urine?
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Technically an attack on a country's embassy can be considered an act of war. Anyway if you're so against labelling anyone as a terrorist just replace terrorist behavior with violent behavior in my previous post.
I just think the term is overused. Violent behaviour works fine in reference to the small number of people involved in it, yes.

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Frankly I think it's leaving those traditional values that are causing most of our problems. I haven't been mugged by a mormon lately.....

OK, so what dirt ball thing did you want to do that religion would frown on?. Drugs?. Promiscuous sex?. Being a fag?.

Thousands of years of history teach us what civilized behavior was supposed to look like. But this generation knows better?.

My parents started this shit. My generation continued it and you youngs guys have taken liberalism to it's scummy pinnacle.

Being half way through my life at least... It's all wrong. Go to church, say your prayers and you'll be a lot better off.

Your hero should be Jesus, not Madonna.
Would be different if I was 'This'generation but at 45 this year I think I can give the anology I have quite easily.

Me? I just want to be what I am - A 'Human Being'- I choose to be helpful, understanding where possible and blah blah blah, you know how it goes.

It is up to me as a person what I want to be, nice or a shithead, if that offends anyone of any religion then so be it. I can't help that becaus eit is what I am - more so than I am anything else.

remember, The Samariton did not need to be anything when he helpe dthe man attacke dby vagabonds and thieves. No religious person helped him but a simple person, a 'human being'did that which they could not.

As I say, I have little or no respect for any religion especially religions or religious participants who act immorally as they are doing in this case...

I'll just carry on being that which I am and cannot change nor would I want to change the fact that I am a simple 'Human Being'and i di the best I can. I make mistakes and for that I'll apoligise but I'll also keep trying to work past that for hopefully a better place for us all.

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Muhammed drawings, old and new, have now been published in 22 countries - namely:

Australia
Belgium
Brazil
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Denmark
Fiji
France
Germany
Greenland
Hungary
Iceland
Indonesia
Ireland
Israel
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South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United States

the UK and Austria being the only western european countries who have so far refrained, the red nations are offcourse muslim countries, all 4 responsible editors have either been imprissoned or resigned...

the US media who have published this are; New York Sun, Riverside Press Enterprise, Philadelphia Inquirer, Denver Rocky Mountain News. all fairly small newspapers as far as i can gather...
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the US media who have published this are; New York Sun, Riverside Press Enterprise, Philadelphia Inquirer, Denver Rocky Mountain News. all fairly small newspapers as far as i can gather...
here's a blog post about that, comparing it to all of the US mainstream media's willingness to publish photos of Janet jackson's wardrobe malfunction, which was offensive to a different section of religious people.

Also there's this, the Staff of the NY Press have all resigned after they recieved word that they were not allowed to publish the cartoons.

And here's an Iraqi blogger with some comments on the situation as well as an islamic protest in London.
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The protestors are blasting free speech in Europe, yet they are using that same free speech to call for murder and bloodshed. I would strongly support deporting those people back to the miserable societies they originally came from.
Here's a blog post from a Muslim in Iraq, questioning the intent of those who are riling up Muslims against these cartoons.
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It seems to me quite suspicious that this storm is created at this particular time. To start with this is certainly not the first time that insults and affronts of this nature appear on print in western media in many countries and places. Such things do not deserve any kind of reaction other rather the contempt they deserve. Yet there are those who seem to seize upon such opportunities for motives that have nothing to do with the apparent religious sensitivities.
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The rage of the Islamic world would be far more appropriate if it is directed against those who blow up mosques during prayer time, kidnap murder and torture innocent travelers, and all the other repertoire of atrocities committed in the name of Islam, It is this that is the real blasphemy and real affront to the name and reputation of our religion and its great founder the Prohpet (PBU), and not some silly cartoons in an obscure Danish paper that nobody would have noticed were it not for this artificial uproar of which the real agenda and purpose is all too apparent .
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The latest public figure to stand accused of defiling the Prophet Mohamed is not some Danish cartoonist, or French newspaper editor, but a hapless British Page 3 girl called Emma B.

Yesterday, the erotic retailer Ann Summers unveiled Miss B as the "face" of its new range of products.

Not 24 hours later, she finds herself on the front line of Islamic protest after Muslim leaders discovered that the range includes a new blow-up doll, called "Mustafa Shag".

Unfortunately, Mustafa was one of the names given to the Prophet Mohamed. Bestowing it upon, in the words of its catalogue, "an inflatable escort for your hen-night adventures" is considered highly offensive.

The Manchester Central Mosque has already written to the firm, calling on it to withdraw the product, right.

"You have no idea how much hurt, anguish, and disgust this obnoxious phrase ["Mustafa Shag"] has caused to Muslim men, women and children," reads their letter.
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Ok, that's just amusing.

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Do you have to blow it up or does it do that itself?

I am so important I feel the need to let it be known like a liberal discovering the internets for the first time. Uh hur hur hur. I also wash myself with a rag on a stick.
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"You have no idea how much hurt, anguish, and disgust this obnoxious phrase ["Mustafa Shag"] has caused to Muslim men, women and children," reads their letter.
Almost as much as the religious theocricites and bigots that they have to listen to in the mosques i'll bet.
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No one has mentioned Queen Margarithe's comments as the leader of the Lutheran church... Even the Papacy is more respectful.
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No one has mentioned Queen Margarithe's comments as the leader of the Lutheran church... Even the Papacy is more respectful.
She's not the leader of the Lutheran church, and she haven't made one single comment on the case

so what on earth are you talking about?
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As Queen of Denmark, yes she is the head of the Lutheran Church of Denmark. Its part of Her Title.
Prior to the comic, in Her own biography she calls Islam a "challenge". Later, she "calls on Denmark to show opposition to Islam" These are recorded facts, not emotional responses. This is considered a deliberate attack against Allah, Islam, and Mhamud by some.
I support Denmark. But there is a time to accept responisbility and shut up. Freedom of speech is also freedom to have an irreisponsible member of a small sect of Islam blow up a cafe in Copenhagen or a Hous in Jutland for a stupid cartoon.
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This is considered a deliberate attack against Allah, Islam, and Mhamud by some.
I support Denmark. But there is a time to accept responisbility and shut up. Freedom of speech is also freedom to have an irreisponsible member of a small sect of Islam blow up a cafe in Copenhagen or a Hous in Jutland for a stupid cartoon.
My religion considers such stupidity blasphemous. I believe you were trying to attack my God with such deliberate stupidity. How dare you! I'm going to call for a ban on all Georgian products! I will burn down your house! Shit, right, you're in Atlanta? Fuck that, it's too far away! I will burn down the car of the next Georgian I see!

You do not have the right for everything you consider offensive to be taken away and burned and have its ashes buried in a secret hole.

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A statement in a 2005 authorized biography about the Queen (entitled "Margrethe") displays her antipathy towards Islam: "We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy. We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance. And when we are tolerant, we must know whether it is because of convenience or conviction."

However, the line "We have to show our opposition to Islam" was poorly translated. The correct translation would be: "We have to show an alternative to the totalitarity that is also one of the sides of Islam". The actual words which the Queen told the author of the book, Annelise Bistrup, are (in Danish): Der må vises et "modspil" mod den "totalitet, som også er en side af Islam". The mistranslated word is "modspil" (which can never mean opposition).

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As Queen of Denmark, yes she is the head of the Lutheran Church of Denmark.
There's quite a difference between this, and what you said first.

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Prior to the comic, in Her own biography she calls Islam a "challenge". Later, she "calls on Denmark to show opposition to Islam" These are recorded facts, not emotional responses. This is considered a deliberate attack against Allah, Islam, and Mhamud by some.


Firstly the interview quoted were conducted before the controversy began, and therefore can naturally not be connected with the case as such - like you implied earlier

Secondly, like zxxzzxzxzxzzXxXzxz said - it's based on a faulty translation.

Third, It is the same Queen that year after year have underlined the importance of opening our arms to the foreigners living here, anyone who call the Queen intollerant or islamophobic obviously have no idea who they are talking about.

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Freedom of speech is also freedom to have an irreisponsible member of a small sect of Islam blow up a cafe in Copenhagen or a Hous in Jutland for a stupid cartoon.
Is it really? so violence and killing of innocents is the same as printing something as part of a debate? that's the most offensive thing i've heard all day, bloody redneck.
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I highly doubt a redneck would be a terrorist apologist. More likely the guy is a Muslim.

Just trying to be fair to rednecks here.
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I'm not apologising for anything.

Matress has proven himself a dull tool in a small shed (just namecalling?? are you 5 years old?), so I'll disregard it and focus toward ertmann|CHP.

Your last post confused me. You quoted my whole first message, then told me it was different from my first message...
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who was I name calling?
I was saying you were probably not a redneck and more likely a Muslim. Maybe you are a redneck if you consider the term Muslim to be an insult?
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I am not attacking the Queen, calling names or apologising. Say what you want. Have freedom of speech. Just don't ever, ever, under any circumstances expect other people to play by your rules. There are sometimes terrible consequences to small freedoms. Rights don't apply in angry mobs.

If what I saw was a misquote, what do you think Young Arabs saw in the Sudan, in Syria, in Iran, in Pakistan saw or heard?

Your Version of "What My Rights are and should be according to me" on the winamp forum is great but the fact is its time to shut up about the cartoon.
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Matress: Yours was just a pointless attempt to marginalize in an otherwise pointed and civilised debate. You were in the way.
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the fact is its time to shut up about the cartoon.
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Have freedom of speech. Just don't ever, ever, under any circumstances expect other people to play by your rules.
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btw, it wasnt redneck or muslim, it was _apologist_.

I dont think i once apologised for anyone. My main point is/was freedom has consequences, you know what they are (NY, Spain, London) so why put yourself in danger over cartoons? Jutland, btw is Waaaaaaaaaaay redneck. heh
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Freedom of speech is also freedom to have an irreisponsible member of a small sect of Islam blow up a cafe in Copenhagen or a Hous in Jutland for a stupid cartoon.
This is a defense of terrorism, albiet a rather poor defense.
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btw, it wasnt redneck or muslim, it was _apologist_.

I dont think i once apologised for anyone.
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My main point is/was freedom has consequences, you know what they are (NY, Spain, London) so why put yourself in danger over cartoons?
Because they believe that freedom of speech is a principal worth putting themselves in danger over. Additionally, if you refuse to put yourself in danger via free speech then you really don't have freedom of speech do you?
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Damn, your wearing me down...

I didnt apologise of defend. Burning Danish Emabassies is wrong. bad. no bueno. nye heresho. kein gut. Im not doing it. Im not not saying its OK. I am saying its happening. Bad things happen anyway, why force it?

On a more personal note, you replied to the political graph scale thread. My political leaning is on there (the numbers are real, the rest is a joke). Im more Ghandi or Mandela then anything, for real.
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3rd one is soooo true!

tawd, there is nothing to be confused about, i was just pointing out that you were totaly wrong about our queen, she is neither intollerant, islamophobic, or head of the lutheran church as such, allthough she is, ceremonialy, head of the public church.

and like Matress said, who cares about having freedom of speach, when you can't use it?
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Incidentally, "glorification of terrorism" just became an offence in the UK.


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