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Old 9th August 2002, 00:33   #1
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Windows Palladium, the end of privacy as we know it.

This taken from various sources encluding UHA and deviantart, the register and slashdot., Disturbing news..

Earlier this week, Microsoft outlined their plans for their next generation of operting systems, codenamed Longhorn/Palladium. Among the features touted was the "secure networking" functions that OS would offer.

Firstly:
Microsoft plans to implement Palladium DRM (digital rights management) in a hardware chip, initially implanted on the mobo, but later on embedded in the CPU, and employing hardwired encryption throughout. The purpose of this is to flag every file on the computer with a digital signature telling a remote server what it is. If it's an unauthorised file, the remote server will tell your computer not to let you execute it.

This is basically an attempt to stop the trading of mp3's and/or warez.

Secondly:
Before an application can run, it too must have a digital signature remotely verified by another server. If the program binary doesn't match with any of the authenticated binaries, your computer won't run it. This, again, is meant to stop your computer running "unauthorised" software - which might be warez, or it might just be a nifty freewrae program that the authors acn't afford to have certified. Microsoft will be able to control exactly what your computer can and can't run.

Thirdly:
As most of you know, Microsoft employ a strategy of making their software deliberately obsolete - they make it forwrd compatible, but not backward compatible. With the laws of the DMCA, it will soon be illegal to try to make a software product that is compatible with another programs file types (for example, take the many office applications there are for Linux which have had some success in translating their arcane file formats).
This has the effect of killing any competition in the water - since you're not allowed to make your new product compatible with any of the others, no-one will use it. And eventually people will give up using any of the others instead, since no-one else can read their documents. So the entire world will be left with one choice only for software - Microsoft.

Fourthly (I don't know if that's a word, but it should be):
Palladium will effectively ban free software, not just free stuff for Windows platforms, but free stuff for Linux, Mac, in fact every OS that runs on a Palladium enabled motherboard/processor. Why?
In order to get the program to run on a palladium platform, you will need to pay to have your binary certified as "safe" by Microsoft's software authentification branch. And who in their right mind is going to pay for a piece of software they spent hours working on? It just wouldn't be worth it.

It gets worse when it comes to open source projects, such as Linux and BSD. Those of you who know about these things will know that open source projects are created by freelance coders all over the world who create programs in their spare time and then give them to the rest of the world for free. Many of them also release the source code for free too, so that if you wish you can alter the program (such as to fix bugs, add features etc).
Now, it would be bad enough if the owner has to pay a certification fee. But EVERY CHANGE that is made to the source code will require a new, seperate certificate to be created. Those of you who use Linux will know that so many things get updated so quickly, that this just isn't practical, and would cost the open source developement people millions of dollars. This is money they just don't have, and Microsoft knows it.

Fifthly:
The "secure network". This is the real clincher for Palladium. At first, they're going to make it so that it is possible to turn Palladium off at the hardware level. But it is created in such a way so that, if you try to connect to a Palladium web server, you won't be allowed to. Palladium machines will only be able to talk to other Palladium machines, and non-Palladium machines won't be able to talk to any Palladium machines.
Hence, if Palladium reaches critical mass, there will be thousands of people the world over who won't be able to access the internet or even work on a network with Palladium machines, so by extension they will be forced to "upgrade" to Palladium machines.

Sixthly:
At first I thought: what the hell, this is only going to apply to x86 architecture (namely Athlon and Pentium chips, since it's only AMD and Intel who are involved at the moment). So, I could try another hardware architecture: such as the Mac/PPC, or the Sun Sparc, or an ARM, or any other kind of processor.
But then I realside that even if I did, I wouldn't be able to access the "Palladium network" which could encompass the entire internet if this concept goes far enough. So all you Mac users would be effectively locked out; you too would have adopt a Palladium machine if you wanted your computer to actually do anything.

Seventhly:
Palladium will enable all your documents to be controlled remotely. No, this is not a joke. If Microsoft find you are using an outdated version of Office, all they need to do is send a message to your computer and it will no longer let you read any of your documents that were created with that application.
Even more sinister is that if Microsoft take offence at any of the documents on your machine (this could be porn, it could be a simple document containing DeCSS information or anti-Palladium information) then they can delete or alter it not just from your PC but from every other Palladium PC on the network.
This has a remarkable similarity to the "Ministry of Truth" in George Orwell's "1984" where the government continually faked information, both new and old, the entire country over to make themsleves appear "correct" all the time.


If Palladium ever becomes widespread enough, the internet as we know it today will be dead. Instead of being controlled by us, it will be controlled by Microsoft, and you will have no choice to do exectly what they say.

Hence why I want to tell as many people about this atrocious idea before it become spopular, and M$ administer their miraculous spin to it to make it sound like the best thing since sliced bread.


Darn, I forgot to post the links explaining about it. I'll also put up a few emails from some mailing lists me and my friends are members of.

Initial outline of Palladium [link]

Analysis on how Palladium is solely designed to protect IT businesses such as Microsoft [link]

The Palladium FAQ [link]

How Palladium has the potential to eradicate Linux [link]

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The following is an excerpt from an email by "Lucky Green" one of the worlds most renowned cryptography hackers:

[Minor plug: I am scheduled to give a talk on TCPA at this year's DEF CON security conference. I promise it will be an interesting talk. [link] ]

Below are two more additional TCPA plays that I am in a position to mention:

1) Permanently lock out competitors from your file formats.

- From Steven Levy's article:
"A more interesting possibility is that Palladium could help introduce DRM to business and just plain people. It's a funny thing," says Bill Gates. "We came at this thinking about music, but then we realized that e-mail and documents were far more interesting domains."

Here it is why it is a more interesting possibility to Microsoft for Palladium to help introduce DRM to business and "just plain people" than to solely utilize DRM to prevent copying of digital entertainment content:

It is true that Microsoft, Intel, and other key TCPA members consider DRM an enabler of the PC as the hub of the future home entertainment network. As Ross pointed out, by adding DRM to the platform, Microsoft
and Intel, are able to grow the market for the platform.

However, this alone does little to enhance Microsoft's already sizable existing core business. As Bill Gates stated, Microsoft plans to wrap their entire set of file formats with DRM. How does this help Microsoft's core business? Very simple: enabling DRM for MS Word
documents makes it illegal under the DMCA to create competing software that can read or otherwise process the application's file format without the application vendor's permission.

Future maintainers of open source office suites will be faced with a very simple choice: don't enable the software to read Microsoft's file formats or go to jail. Anyone who doubts that such a thing could happen
is encouraged to familiarize themselves with the case of Dmitry Skylarov, who was arrested after last year's DEF CON conference for creating software that permitted processing of a DRM- wrapped document
file format.

Permanently locking out competition is a feature that of course does not just appeal to Microsoft alone. A great many dominant application vendors are looking forward to locking out their competition. The beauty of this play is that the application vendors themselves never need to make that call to the FBI themselves and incur the resultant backlash from the public that Adobe experienced in the Skylarov case. The content
providers or some of those utilizing the ubiquitously supported DRM features will eagerly make that call instead.

In one fell swoop, application vendors, such as Microsoft and many others, create a situation in which the full force of the U.S. judicial system can be brought to bear on anyone attempting to compete with a
dominant application vendor. This is one of the several ways in which TCPA enables stifling competition.

The above is one of the near to medium objectives the TCPA helps meet. [The short-term core application objective is of course to ensure payment for any and all copies of your application out there]. Below is a mid to long term objective:

2) Lock documents to application licensing

As the Levy article mentions, Palladium will permit the creation of documents with a given lifetime. This feature by necessity requires a secure clock, not just at the desktop of the creator of the document, but also on the desktops of all parties that might in the future read
such documents. Since PC's do not ship with secure clocks that the owner of the PC is unable to alter and since the TCPA's specs do not mandate such an expensive hardware solution, any implementation of limited lifetime documents must by necessity obtain the time elsewhere. The obvious source for secure time is a TPM authenticated time server that distributes the time over the Internet.

In other words, Palladium and other TCPA-based applications will require at least occasional Internet access to operate. It is during such mandatory Internet access that licensing-related information will be pushed to the desktop. One such set of information would be blacklists of widely-distributed pirated copies of application software (you don't need TCPA for this feature if the user downloads and installs periodic software updates, but the user may choose to live with
application bugs that are fixed in the update rather than see her unpaid software disabled).

With TCPA and DRM on all documents, the application vendor's powers increase vastly: the application vendor can now not just invalidate copies of applications for failure to pay ongoing licensing fees, but can invalidate all documents that were ever created with the help of
this application. Regardless how widely the documents may have been distributed or on who's computer the documents may reside at present.

Furthermore, this feature enables world-wide remote invalidation of a document file for reasons other than failure to pay ongoing licensing fees to the application vendor. To give just one example, documents can
be remotely invalidated pursuant to a court order, as might be given if the author of the document were to distribute DeCSS v3 or Scientology scriptures in the future DRM protected format. All that is required to
perform such an administrative invalidation of a document is either a sample copy of the document from which one can obtain its globally unique ID, the serial number of the application that created the document, or the public key of the person who licensed the application. (Other ways to exist but are omitted in the interest of brevity).
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Old 9th August 2002, 00:46   #2
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Scary, truly scary.

I have heard a bit about palladium, but that pretty much outlines exactly why it shouldnt ever see the light of day.
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Old 9th August 2002, 00:51   #3
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Old 9th August 2002, 01:00   #4
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"Just say NO" to Palladium


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Old 9th August 2002, 01:02   #5
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lmao @ just say no , -hugs aquila-
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yet another reason why i am currently amasing all the good porn and programs i can get my hands on, along with all the misc. computer parts that i can lay my hands on, at which point as paillidum takes over the world, i will seclude myself and anyone who wants to to a little compound of free thought, free excange of ideas and LAN gaming...

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Old 9th August 2002, 01:17   #7
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well, 3 i guess, lan might want to stay around you...
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Old 9th August 2002, 01:59   #9
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hmmm, methinks that if that ever came to be, i'm going to go luddite

no computers, only hardcopies of anything i might need

guess i should beg my parents not to throw out their typewriter
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Penny Arcade goodness, relevent as always (well, its not directly addressing Palladium, but still)


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In no way will I ever be a part of Microsoft dictatorship in my career. Not even if my employer would force me.. I'd be on the lookout for a new job, as they say..
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I wonder how much of this is fact, interpretation, opinion, and speculation.
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at least they're not sueing the guys that are reverse engineering
the x-box, right? right? ah fuck it. /me goes to drink more
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I wonder how much of this is fact, interpretation, opinion, and speculation.
my guess
*40%fact
*59%opinion
1%combo of interpretation and speculation

*vice versa possibly, either way neko's post comes as no shocker to me
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Judging by the sources (The Register, Slashdot, and a hacker), I wouldn't be so conservative in my estimate of anti-Microsoft bias.
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i was just being pesimistic, if a big company can get it to a nation of idiots like the USA (yes i live there) it will most likely take over. most of the people i know are very used to getting spoonfed.
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Random Thoughs @ 12:14 AM:

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that OR, dare i say buy an iMAC?

Also who says that you HAVE to purchase a new system, hell i know a bunch of people that still run on sub pentium systems pimpin Windows 3.1.

Anways anything can be "encrypted/secure" but you know five min after it is released it will be cracked or what not.

Also what if a person didn't have an internet connection then what the hell are they going to do? nothing, thats what i thought.

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You know what makes me highly suspect this whole business, and blow it off merely as propoganda (from the notoriously prolinux, antimicrosoft Slashdot, and scaremongering Register)? The self-interests of hardware manufacturers. Remember, we live in a capitalist society: businesses always look for profits, above all else, and in the computing world, a large number of units sold translates directly into profits. That means getting the largest market share possible. OEMs know that the majority of servers in the world run some variant of Unix. Corporate accounts form the largest share of profits... which chip manufacturer in their right mind would develop a chip that can run only one OS? They would risk business on a immense scale; over half of the world server market would be closed to them, completely. OEMs know that not all businesses rely on Windows... heck, I remember IBM once shipped a desktop system that ran a version of Linux. Believers of this insanely improbable, hateful, and severely skewed propaganda are seriously underestimating the intelligence of chip manufacturers.
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*grabs a gun*
Ok Im off to Mr. Gates house, anyone wanna follow, be my guest.
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My god, if that is for real, tha tis the most insaina nd illegal thing ever. First off that would creat a monopoly,a nd HOPEFULLY our halfed ass government would stop it.

Also wee need to kill the DMCA, NOW, befor it fuckes us up the ass b/ of the BS inside it. I feal its clows to our asses now.. we must kill it!

Or we can ban together and GO to the contenent ofAantartica! and form our own truly free nation! Rid of this Hypocrtitcal, ignorent, currupt government!
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Old 11th August 2002, 03:55   #23
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Microsoft can't seriously expect to sell anything that's NOT backward-compatible. Bill Gates is a smart man. He knows that just because a customer updates his/her version of Windows doesn't mean that he/she has stopped using all of his/her old documents and programs. The key to any successful computer program is compatiblity. If it won't play nice with what's already on a person's computer, what do you think the person will dump: new program or the other stuff?

I personally use Windows 98 and have no problem with it. All of the programs that I could have have need for are compatible with it. Windows ME and Palladium may screw up, but that's okay. I feel no need to upgrade; my fifty dollars can and will be spent elsewhere. (heard "Sim City 4" is about to come out, am very excited)

If Palladium comes out with all these bugs that you're describing, it will crash so quickly that everyone will be uploading their old 3.1 and '95 back-up's faster than Microsoft stock can dive. Either that, or lots of people will use it, but it'll be idiots who can't tell a LAN from their ass anyway, and we'll hack onto the Microsoft-controlled internet while they're wondering why their mp3's won't work. Either way, I'm not worried. "1984" would only happen if we all got lazy and let it.

Thanks for getting the word out about Palladium. People may be stupid, but I like to have faith in them anyway.
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Did you read any of RMs posts?
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i did, he said the news may be largely fake due to anti-ms sites spreading the news, and that chip makers arent dumb enough to risk their entire business if the new technology may not catch on.
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Im hopping that is fake now, if not. I think M$ then would be killed for becoming a monopoly.
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fake? Not realistic?

well...

The summary though it may sound extreamist, is quite within the design specs as currently outlined and in work.

Both AMD and INTEL are working INDEPENDENTLY with Microsoft on this project. There are currently various levels of implementation scheduled, NOT ONLY PLANNED...

The things that have been talked about as a warning here are also what is actively being worked on according to actual TRADE publications in the HARDWARE WORLD... Various engineering publications have had articles about designing to Paladium specifications for example.

One thing many chip vendors are upset about is that the first stage was supposed to be in place for a little while... The chips have gone into production already, and now the schedule has been bumped up so the next generation chips will already need to be made and these will then be used in mother boards instead of the already built chips! Vendors are now looking at other lower security devices for these already built chips... Settop boxes for Sat. and other digital TV uses, Internet appliances, cell phones, portable digital music players... ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that has the potential for using DIGITAL copyrighted source material is VERY LIKELY going to have the chips built into it for the hardware encryption to GUARANTEE licsencing verification cabability. All of this is from the FIRST STAGE of the Paladium movement.

Remember I said the first generation chips WILL NOT go into the computers as they had originally been built for...

Paladium has advanced quicker than it had originally been thought of as feasable. In the future, the more advanced hardware chips will probably replace the 1st generation chips which will be used in the NON-COMPUTER applications. Economics dictate it is cheaper to produce LARGE quantities of one type of chips than smaller quantities of TWO types of chips. It will be thus cheaper to put the more advanced Paladium chips in the cell phones, PDAs, MP3 players, DVD players, etc... in the future after the first generation device's supply is exhausted.

So... just briefly... NO... it is very possible all the bad sounding things can happen in the name of computer and internet security. And MUCH MORE will happen because the technology will then be there to make it easy to do.

Hope you all have your CD and DVD burners already too!
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Yes, but claims like the ability to delete documents Microsoft don't agree with remotely? What is this based on? A handful of press conferences and one technology demonstration? I don't give it much weight.

If AMD, Intel and other major chip manufacturers already have Palladium in production, I doubt it's quite as devious as Neko's reports put it. The ability to block pirated files from executing may have gotten everyone ducking for cover, but that is something not nearly illegal.
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There's always ur friendly neighborhood hacker one step behind the big business, they'll find ways to get around it and hopefully not get locked up.
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I think that too many people are blowing this out of proportion.
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I think that too many people are blowing this out of proportion.
if this sticks strictly to business, then i see no problem. if this goes to the pulic computers, then i think its not blown far enough out of proportion.
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Well, I agree with Mr Baggins. Let's not make too much of this. Bill Gates would have to be incredibly greedy, delusional, evil and egomaniacal to think he could pull off such a thing...hmmm... Oh, shit!

OF COURSE they want to control everything! Is there anyone here who ISN'T named after a Hobbit who is surprised at this? It was only a matter of time before they would try to turn our PC's into telescreens, charging us exorbitant prices for our own enslavement. I think one of two things is going to happen:

1) Either the Microsaurus has finally bit off more than it can chew, and is taking its first lumbering steps toward extinction, or

2) The web community is going to split into two discrete communitites: the official, Microsoft community, and the wilder, unregulated web where all the good stuff happens. As for myself, I have decided: f**k Microsoft. (Hey there's something wrong with my keyboard, let me try that again FUCK MICROSOFT! (There, that's better.) Lately, I've been thinking of dabbling in Linux, but now I'm planning on making Mandrake Linux my primary OS, the sooner the better.

Some people are stupid. Computer people are not stupid. No individual in their right mind is going to install this filth into their computer, but some businesses certainly might, because businesses want to regulate communication. The thing is: individuals don't need to communicate with businesses to survive, but businesses need to communicate with indivduals to survive. If we can't use our our Macs and our Linux computers to order from Amazon.com., Amazon is the one that's going to starve to death. We're just to have to drive to Barnes and Noble, that's all. We have the power to say no to this, and if we don't, we deserve whatever we get.
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so what?

so what? don't buy it, then. i know i won't be. if i had to, i would keep using the system i have that doesn't have that crap as a part of it. i would also keep using an old OS, or one that didn't incorporate such rubbish. there is always a choice. people don't need a 3 Ghz P4 but they still buy them. something like this may put a price on older tech; older CPU's and motherboards.

i think people vastly underestimate their power to make a difference simply by refusing to buy sh1t and it's time we woke up to that fact before we lose that power. similar to voting, i suppose.
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Well, I agree with Mr Baggins. Let's not make too much of this. Bill Gates would have to be incredibly greedy, delusional, evil and egomaniacal to think he could pull off such a thing...hmmm... Oh, shit!

OF COURSE they want to control everything! Is there anyone here who ISN'T named after a Hobbit who is surprised at this? It was only a matter of time before they would try to turn our PC's into telescreens, charging us exorbitant prices for our own enslavement. I think one of two things is going to happen:

1) Either the Microsaurus has finally bit off more than it can chew, and is taking its first lumbering steps toward extinction, or

2) The web community is going to split into two discrete communitites: the official, Microsoft community, and the wilder, unregulated web where all the good stuff happens. As for myself, I have decided: f**k Microsoft. (Hey there's something wrong with my keyboard, let me try that again FUCK MICROSOFT! (There, that's better.) Lately, I've been thinking of dabbling in Linux, but now I'm planning on making Mandrake Linux my primary OS, the sooner the better.

Some people are stupid. Computer people are not stupid. No individual in their right mind is going to install this filth into their computer, but some businesses certainly might, because businesses want to regulate communication. The thing is: individuals don't need to communicate with businesses to survive, but businesses need to communicate with indivduals to survive. If we can't use our our Macs and our Linux computers to order from Amazon.com., Amazon is the one that's going to starve to death. We're just to have to drive to Barnes and Noble, that's all. We have the power to say no to this, and if we don't, we deserve whatever we get.
just saw this post. exactly what i'm getting at! exactly. THEY need us, not the other way around. we'll not die without windows 2005, but Bill'll be buggered without our cash. it's an interesting idea; two internets, completely separate from each other. i know which one i'll be a part of:-)
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Old 14th August 2002, 14:59   #35
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We can't count on the U.S. government to stop this thing, even if it attempts to cast the Microsoft monopoly in cement. The Bush administration is obsessed with the control of information, and they're going to love Palladium. It isn't Microsoft Corp. that's going to control what's on our computers, it's the government. Bill's just going to sell us all the software and hardware.

On the other hand, the internet is the only media that isn't controlled by the six corporations that now control the media, and they WILL make a grab for it. Count on it.
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Old 14th August 2002, 21:39   #36
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I think M$ is able to do something like it u know
and when this is getting reality Ill download all i can get and remove myself from "the world"
then i'm just going to play my LAN games, and go on programming.

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Old 15th August 2002, 01:05   #37
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Overreaction...

First of all, these cries of "THERE ARE GONNA BE 2 INTERNETS" is kinda useless, since that already exists (u know what i'm talking about, if not, try surfing IRC...) Furthermore, frankly, the federal circuit will burn Gates at the stake for this. Even if they don't, the internet underground will easily be able to cloak programs so that they will be undetectable or disguise them as file types different from what they are (check out the software Camoflauge, it's similar to what I'm talking about.) Also, remember, if Microsoft servers can't contact your computer, they can't monitor it, riiight? That's why you would get your firewalls to disallow Microsoft servers from getting axx to your comp. I mean, many may disapprove, but the internet underground will make sure Microsoft won't be able to take down the internet that easily. Not by a long shot. Anyways, it still is scary for mainstream users, but hey, if all does go that badly, we can always just resort to Linux... (I am pretty sure Mac will follow suit if Microsoft can pull this off, so I'm not going there)
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Old 15th August 2002, 02:07   #38
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AMD & Intel

AMD and Intel havent signed exclusive deals to produce only pal compatiable chips they can still produce normal ones. Microsoft is taking a leap of faith really and i doubt it will pay off. If a pal system really wont talk to a non pal web server then anyone with pal is screwed cause 95% of web servers are running unix and 100% are run by comp lit people who know what they're doing and wont be "upgrading" to pal anytime soon even if they use a server version of win2k or xp at the current time. Even an un-comp lit person will quickly figure out whats going on when they call microsoft to ask why there mp3s wont work and get told that they're not legal. When they respond that they ripped them off a CD they own the tech rep will be forced to say "of sorry well windows pal couldn't tell that ur gonna need to rip em again" (which will mean buying a 50 buck ripping program cause shareware & freeware wont work) they will decide that its better to put there old os back on their system. AMD & Intel will have avoided lock-in deals cause if microsoft wants to sink itself thats fine with them but they dont wanna go down with em. They know if they're locked into pal systems some other chip company (probably motorola) will coem along and make non pal chips which everyone will buy to put their linux systems on (POWER TO LINUX!). The only way pal work is if everyone starts using it and doesn't quit and thats not happening anytime soon. Oh and u gotta rember that pal wont know the differance between copying between systems and copying a file localy so unless u dont have the right to copy files with copyrights on ur own system u can still trade mp3s and crap aslong as they were ripped on a pal system. oh and this thing about not beingable to build applications that use microsoft's file formats is crap. U cant copyright a file format (basically what they are trying to do) its just one of those things u cant copyright (well unless they changed somethin) otherwise people like microsoft would have done it along time ago. /me goes away to rest hands in bowl of cold water
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maybe you cant copyright a format, but i believe you can copyright the encoders\algorithims and such. and those are needed for the format. if im wrong please correct me
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It's easy...


Just do NOT install that fuckin' OS.



And... Most people doesn't have Internet access, so how the hell will your OS talk to the server asking for the executable if it's *legal* or not?

Tell me Twinsen: did you find something to cure the Dino-Fly?
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