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Old 28th October 2002, 03:25   #161
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I, personally am outraged at these findings, be it news to me or not, I saw it coming. I doubt it will do any good but i will be posting an online petition to both microsoft and congress (considering that the government is 95% dependent on windows PC's itt's probably futile) to reject the advent of palladium or any facsimile there of from being put into place i will make another post with a link to allow all those behind me to sign up at a later time but for now i need sleep
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Old 29th October 2002, 03:46   #162
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Just want to say I'm majoring in CpE (Computer Engineering) and since there is currently a MASSIVE tech boom in Australia (And they're only on the up-side, they haven't reached the top) I'm going to apply for work in Australia, probably with Telstra, if I can.
If you can get the cable and telephone companies in Australia to get off their duffers and make broadband AVAILABLE and AFFORDABLE to the general public, I can assure you that you will be your country's hero.
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Old 29th October 2002, 23:57   #163
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ok, so when i was saying that jewish people will control the world my friends called me a neonazi how narowminded some people can be...we have sharon playing the butcher, murdering whoever he wants whenever he wants to, and bush congradulates him too, now we gonna have bill gates cotrol our computers and the net as well.
something will happen, it always happens
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Old 30th October 2002, 00:43   #164
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Re: Windows Palladium, the end of privacy as we know it.

To everyone who says we have to get Linux or whatever, if you switched OS's, then Microsoft'd go bankrupt, we'd have free access to internet without Bill Gates lecturing us on what we can or cannot do.

Everyone who has emailed tech support and/or anyone else at Microsoft (not people who have posted), if enough of you guys email 'em, they'll most likely change it. If they don't change it, they'll a) leave it alone so they can go even further towards bankruptcy because we won't buy any of the OS's, or b) remove the goddamned thing so we can live our lives normally.

I agree with everyone, as I'd get Linux AND email M$ tech support if they started using this, and if they didn't stop, I'd just ask just about the entire population of Cuyahoga County to vote for the Democratic candidate(s) for president and/or Congress.

(Edit: Oops! Didn't check the other posts. It's the communist-like Congresses of the Bush and/or Clinton administrations that've made our [internet] lives really crappy. Idea: Call your nearest federal Congressman/woman and ask 'em about the act/law/thingie that are violating our rights.)

Sorry if I'm going off-topic or something, but I surely don't want Bill Gates and his greedy employees to rake in more cash because of this and/or watching every damned thing we download..
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Old 30th October 2002, 00:48   #165
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I highly doubt they'll put these in Win2K computers or force us to install them, as I use Win2K. If you use XP and have to install service pack 2, go get Linux. M$ has abandoned your privacy and your freedoms. (Edit: Taking that half-seriously.)
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Old 30th October 2002, 00:51   #166
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Just because you're "not allowed" shouldn't let it stop you. Hell, I was downloading porn off the 'Net at age 12. If you're worried about getting caught, I've written a guide for people just like yourself: http://www3.sympatico.ca/you-oughta-...uides/porn.htm
I've been..er...looking at porn for about 2 years
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The United States government has pretty much changed its ways to benefit the corporations who want to oppress the people. There are many laws and legislature that clearly and blatantly violates the constitutional rights of the American citizens. Just look at the DMCA and the CBDPTA, these both violate the constitution in more ways than one.

You might be wondering now why these laws are being allowed to be passed. The general impression that a lot of people have about the U.S. constitution is that nobody fucks with the constitution and gets away with it. This used to be the case, and still is the case among citizens who value their rights, but not with government. The reason these unconstitutional laws are being passed is because the U.S. government allows anybody to participate in an activity called "lobbying." The people doing the lobbying consider it supporting Congress with monetary donations, but in reality, it's just bribing Congress to get stuff done. The RIAA and the MPAA bribe... uh, "lobby" congress with millions of dollars to get these oppressive and unconstitutional laws passed. In the past, lobbying has been used to get other unconstitutional things done, such as when the Knights of Columbus -- a Christian fundamentalist "special interest group" -- lobbied Congress to add the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance, a clear violation of the seperation of Church and State laws.

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that this crap doesn't spread into Canada. I don't know what country I'd move to if Canada follows suit with this trend of kissing corporate ass, but I will move if it happens, and that's a promise. No fucking way am I gonna live in and support a country that shits on me and my fellow citizens to make a quick buck.
I shall go on a quest...TO THE SUPREME COURT! And sue Microsoft for bribing Congress or whoever bribed them into passing those unconstitutional laws that violate our rights. 'Cos we're the ones who need rights or whatever. If some dumbassed rich CEO wants his company to make even more money, they should NOT bribe Congress into making unconstitutional laws; they should actually make the f*cking money themselves.
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Old 30th October 2002, 01:32   #168
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To everyone who says we have to get Linux or whatever, if you switched OS's, then Microsoft'd go bankrupt, we'd have free access to internet without Bill Gates lecturing us on what we can or cannot do.
Free access to the Internet? The only ISP which Microsoft owns is MSN. You'll still have to pay to use the Internet unless one of your local ISPs decides to give away its bandwidth to anyone who asks for it.

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Everyone who has emailed tech support and/or anyone else at Microsoft (not people who have posted), if enough of you guys email 'em, they'll most likely change it. If they don't change it, they'll a) leave it alone so they can go even further towards bankruptcy because we won't buy any of the OS's, or b) remove the goddamned thing so we can live our lives normally.
They won't change jack shit unless the people mailing them are OEMs and corporations which rely on Windows and other Microsoft products for their workstations and servers. A few thousand end-users' voices are not going to make them change their minds.

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I shall go on a quest...TO THE SUPREME COURT! And sue Microsoft for bribing Congress or whoever bribed them into passing those unconstitutional laws that violate our rights. 'Cos we're the ones who need rights or whatever. If some dumbassed rich CEO wants his company to make even more money, they should NOT bribe Congress into making unconstitutional laws; they should actually make the f*cking money themselves.
You're an idiot. I already explained that lobbying Congress is PERFECTLY LEGAL, even though I don't think it should be. Since you missed that part of my post, you probably also missed where I mentioned that "lobbying Congress" is nothing but political jargon for "legally bribing Congress."

Also, Microsoft had no part in lobbying Congress to get unconstitutional laws like the DMCA and the CBDPTA passed. The entertainment industries such as the RIAA and the MPAA are responsible for those. Microsoft is just developing their next OS to be compliant with the CBDPTA since they don't want to be sent to jail. Don't you see? The entertainment industries are manipulating Microsoft! Microsoft is not at fault! The employees of Microsoft don't want to become prison bitches so they're doing what the entertainment industries and the government are telling them to do. I would do the same damn thing.

Oh, and just so you know, Bill Gates isn't the CEO of Microsoft. Bill Gates is the Chairman and the Chief Software Architect. He voluntarily stepped down from his position of CEO quite a while ago, saying that he wants to get back to what he loves to do -- developing software like he used to -- instead of being just a paper pushing executive (not his exact words, but this is pretty much what he meant by it in his announcement.)

Also, please don't post FOUR TIMES IN A FRIGGIN' ROW. That's considered "spamming," a practice which many idiots partake in to raise their postcount since they're under the false impression that having a high postcount will get them chicks, make them more respected, lengthen their penises, or whatever. Next time, if there's something you want to add, edit it into your previous post.

However, you may not be able to edit it in now, since this board has some REALLY STUPID RULE about editing where you can't edit a post 180 minutes after it has been posted. I really don't know why the fuck that was put in there, but I really wish it wasn't there. There are some posts of mine which I come back to review and notice are either full of spelling errors or aren't as clear as I'd like them to be, but when I go to edit them, I can't fix the spelling or add a bit of clarity because my "editing time" is up.

Oh, and you reminded me to add one thing which I've been meaning to bring up. Bill Gates and Microsoft are NOT analogous! Why the hell are you people referring to Microsoft as "Bill Gates," as in "Bill Gates is looking for more money" and "Bill Gates is an evil man."

WAKE UP, IDIOTS. First of all, if you people knew ANYTHING about business, you'd know that the Microsoft corporation -- not Bill Gates or any other employee -- is what gets the money from product sales and such. On the next pay day, every employee gets a certain amount of money according to the terms of their salary. That money comes from the Microsoft corporation, not from Bill Gates' personal bank account. Bill Gates himself gets his income from the Microsoft corporation.

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Secondly, I don't know how the hell you people can call Bill Gates "evil." He's probably one of the most generous billionaires you'll find out there. Haven't you guys ever heard of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? Are you not aware that Bill Gates donates BILLIONS of dollars every year OUT OF HIS OWN PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT to numerous reputable and well-meaning charities across the globe?

Bill Gates has a lot of money, but that doesn't make him evil. If anything, his money makes YOU people jealous assholes who'll flame him just because deep down you wish you were as successful as he is. He earned every penny he owns through hard work and dedication. He's not just a rich boy inheriting Daddy's money. He became one of the biggest successes in the tech industry at a time when the term "tech industry" was just starting to become popular. Face it, you people are just pissed off that you're too stupid/lazy/incompetent to be as successful and wealthy as he is, and are just flaming him and labelling him as "evil" because he's better than you'll ever be.
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Old 30th October 2002, 04:32   #169
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eh fuck you.. thats all i got to say, i dont need anyone to be better than me, cuz i really dont give a fuck

so sit there and complain how we "losers" dont have anything and are poor and want our fuckin comp freedom
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Old 30th October 2002, 11:15   #170
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guyz, its not that we just put linux and its all ok!
there are, unfortunatly, 100's of proggys that only run on billy's software, most companies and universities use windows, and i dought that if *we* try to do sumthing it will work...or, well we can get a plane and stick it onto the microsoft hq, but still that would do much.
face it, in this capitalistic world, whoever has money can generate more and whoever has less will have even less in the futre, its just the way it is, globalization and all that...its where it begins, when everything is controled by one person....dictator we call it...
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Old 30th October 2002, 11:19   #171
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...Secondly, I don't know how the hell you people can call Bill Gates "evil." He's probably one of the most generous billionaires you'll find out there. Haven't you guys ever heard of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? Are you not aware that Bill Gates donates BILLIONS of dollars every year OUT OF HIS OWN PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT to numerous reputable and well-meaning charities across the globe?...
so he wont pay any taxes, right, what a generousity!!!!
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Old 30th October 2002, 12:23   #172
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Originally posted by pyroman2_99 so he wont pay any taxes, right, what a generousity!!!!
Im sure it is to the person thats getting his money to help their organization. BDA7DD makes a really good point. What does Bill Gates have to do with anything? From everything I've read, he seems like a decent guy. His company, Microsoft, has been in some shady deals in the past (just ask IBM or Netscape) but the person certainly doesn't seem "evil". And so what if he gets to write off a few billion in taxes? Hes still helping people. Any idea what a few billion could do to help fund a charity? Come on.

I've used Linux for years.. I don't even have Windows installed as we speak. I dislike the company called Microsoft. I don't know Bill Gates personally, and as such, I don't make attacks at his character.
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Old 30th October 2002, 15:47   #173
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i'm not saying he is evil, and it is good that he is helping, but if he gets to read everything we send to eachother(nsa does already...mayby bomb the echelon bases? :P),or have on our computer? isnt that somehting "bad" and in contradiction to the right of every person? (i am not american and i have never read your constitution, so i cant really relate to it, but i am sure there is sumthing about privacy there...)
i mean, ok, dictators have done some "good" things, but think about do you want to trade the "good" things with your freedom?
when we where revolting we said its better to die than not to have your freedom.
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Old 30th October 2002, 16:21   #174
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Eh, quite honestly, most Americans don't give a shit about freedom as long as they have their 400 channels of cable tv. As far as reading my email goes, or any other Windows related security issue (and there are many).. just, don't use it. Unfortunatly, it has to be a personal choice because the government isn't going to do squat as long as its making moneny. If something concerns you, don't do it.

I take issue with Microsoft products. I don't think they should be allowed to circulate as they do, simply because of how many holes are in them. Lets not forget the FBI issuing security warnings about XP a week after it was released. As far as attacking Bill himself.. I think its unnessecary.

Thats like saying that the US sucks because of Bush. The US sucked before Bush and it'll continue to suck after Bush. If you honestly think that Bush is up there making all the decisions, you're daft. There are many many levels things go through before they happen. The president is mearly a figurehead for a nation to rally behind/against. More fingers should be pointed at Congress and the House of Representitives than soley at Bush.

As is the same with Microsoft, which isn't even soley under Gates' leadership now.
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this is one case where the gov. will have to do something, i just finished a 4 year term in the army as a "74B" that's there term for a computer geek... 95% of all systems the gov. uses are windows based or dependent on talking to a windows machine of some sort, if palladium goes into full swing the few unix servers the government does maintain as the back bone of what they call DMS (defense messenging system) will be useless, forcing them to switch to windows based servers for highly encrypted e-mails relaid through DMS due to the fact it uses the internet just like anyother e-mail, so much so that the end users that send and receive these encrypted mails operate through M$ outlook.... the advent of palladium will negate what little security this system has to offer.
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this is one case where the gov. will have to do something, i just finished a 4 year term in the army as a "74B" that's there term for a computer geek... 95% of all systems the gov. uses are windows based or dependent on talking to a windows machine of some sort, if palladium goes into full swing the few unix servers the government does maintain as the back bone of what they call DMS (defense messenging system) will be useless, forcing them to switch to windows based servers for highly encrypted e-mails relaid through DMS due to the fact it uses the internet just like anyother e-mail, so much so that the end users that send and receive these encrypted mails operate through M$ outlook.... the advent of palladium will negate what little security this system has to offer.
That's hillarious

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and just what do you mean by that?
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We'll make a new internet

We'll be loners at the weekends, building our own non-palladium processors, stay up all night coding the OS, and make our own internet. Sell lots and lots, and watch microsoft be thrown off its corrupt throne and sail straight into the deep dark depths of hell. Meanwhile, we'll be getting rich off our non-palladium computers, and destroy all palladium processors. After that, burn the Gates mansion.

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sounds good in theory yellowdog but how many people out there are really that versed in assembly code to build there own processors and OS to go with it?
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Re: We'll make a new internet

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We'll be loners at the weekends, building our own non-palladium processors...
Yes, because all of us have access to microprocessor manufacturing laboratories, complete with environment-proofed rooms and level four biohazardous protection suits.

Get real.
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Yes, because all of us have access to microprocessor manufacturing laboratories, complete with environment-proofed rooms and level four biohazardous protection suits.
not to mention we all have s doctrite in computer siences and micro electronic enginering
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Those new chines processors, wonder if they will use palladium/fritz, if not, maby using them for our GNU/Linux system
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Those new chines processors, wonder if they will use palladium/fritz, if not, maby using them for our GNU/Linux system
well now... let's look at the facts...
"those new chinese processors" as you put it, if they don't use palladium, and palladium systems take over as the backbone of the internet then your pretty little GNU/Linux machine with it's shiny new chinese brain wont do jack shit as far as anything involving an internet connection would it?

NON-PALLADIUM CAN'T TALK TO PALLADIUM AND VISE VERSE
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one if 10% of this is true he needs to be shot just for thinking of it and two if this happens how dose this man really expect to stay alive he would be hunted more than binladen

".im gonna feel sorry for the poor sap that has to spitshine bill gates' boots before his long walk back to 1939 berlin."
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Give it a week

Give it a week and Ill be able to download a cracked version along with software to disable all annoyances within in trust me on this...
Go on the reverse engineering
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NON-PALLADIUM CAN'T TALK TO PALLADIUM AND VISE VERSE
and since about 80-90% of webservers run on non-microsoft OSs, the current security ideas won't work. end of discussion.

even if a law is actually passed, microsoft may have realised that the palladium hardware plans contravene the terms of their recent anti-trust settlement (to the best of my understanding).

the people might tolerate palladium, but speaking from experience, most of the technical community - i.e. those who do the actual work - will not. this makes it doomed to failure, as far as i see.

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Can anyone say SPARC or Alpha? Oh you can? Well that's good because they are far better processors than x86's. MS will never rule the server market and thus Paladium has limited potential to home users.

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Can anyone say SPARC or Alpha? Oh you can? Well that's good because they are far better processors than x86's. MS will never rule the server market and thus Paladium has limited potential to home users.
intel are discontinuing making x86 processors in the near future. they're working on next-generation processors that will be comparable, if not superior (likely superior) to the SPARC and Alpha chips. these are most likely the ones that palladium will be designed on. which messes up that argument

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intel are discontinuing making x86 processors in the near future. they're working on next-generation processors that will be comparable, if not superior (likely superior) to the SPARC and Alpha chips. these are most likely the ones that palladium will be designed on. which messes up that argument
just as intell follows M$ to try and insure the future of it's business AMD is alsow working on the next generation of processors reportedly planded to be built around the platform of palladium... sadly this idea also goes beyond just the CPU... all hardware needs to be palladium in a system built with this in it's processor
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SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY?
what? you deny that microsoft as a coorperation isn't involved in the business of choking out "open source" and third party coders like myself (and i'm sure many others that post to this forum)?
just what the hell do you mean by that?
when will people like you realize that comments like
"SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY"
are just childish... fighting on the internet is like the special olympics... even if you win you're still retarded
just cope dumb shit, if i wanna say "M$" i will, and there isn't really much you can do to stop me, IS THERE?!?!
so quit fucking crying about it!
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i think he was just trying to say about the indisputable fact that writing "M$" makes you sound geeky, amateurish, frustrated (sexually or otherwise) and overall just dumb. it doesn't matter how valid your argument is, when you write "M$", you sound less credible.

if you're gonna poke fun at microsoft, at least be mature about it. the M$ thing is like saying "HEY THATS COOL BUT YOUR NAME IS REALLY Z00TM WITH 00 ZEROS AS THAT IS YOUR IQ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA YOU N00B I WILL HAX0R J00".

the rest of your argument pretty much stands. but let's talk in english, eh?

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Microsolf holds a small percentage of server use woldwide. We know this. What I think Microsolf is aiming at here isn't "You can't log on to the Winamp forum and post your drivel". What they're trying to do is get a corner on the *entertainment* sites. I posted not to long ago that in order to view any game footage on NHL.com, you must be using Windows. This is where Palladium will do the damage. If you want to do anything entertainment based on the net, you must use Windows to do it. Content providers do not want their contend downloaded and distributed, WMA is a format that can provide that security at the moment and NHL.com (as well as others, Im sure) are using it.

There is nothing wrong with NHL.com wanting to protect their copywrited material. However, making it OS dependent shouldn't be the only way to do it. I think there needs to be an overall, OS independat, method of securing information. Seeing as how anything software can be hacked, I guess this is why they're trying to move to a hardware based solution. I have absolutly no gripe with what they're trying to do. The problem I have is that what is going to end up happening is that you're going to be cornered into using one OS.

As far as Microsoft is concerned, I think they're happy as pig in shit. Once again, they get to excercise dominace over the market. For them, thats all this really boils down to.

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Right. Use Windows, or you're screwed.
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Old 4th November 2002, 16:57   #195
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I posted not to long ago that in order to view any game footage on NHL.com, you must be using Windows.
Hasn't WMA been cracked long ago, though? And if NHL.com has some sorts of scripts to check what browser and OS you're using, you can just spoof your outgoing HTTP headers to download the videos, then use a media player for Linux/Mac/whatever with a cracked WMA codec to view them.
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Old 4th November 2002, 17:10   #196
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Hasn't WMA been cracked long ago, though?
That could very well be. Honestly I haven't really looked into it, but I'll take your word for it. In any case, once this becomes hardware, it'll be a lot harder than searching google for a WMA hack. Or.. maybe it won't be. I dunno. One thing I do know is that its going to be a huge pain in the ass. Protect your content, yes, by all means, do.. but do not lock people out of it simply for using a different OS.
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Old 4th November 2002, 17:26   #197
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what? you deny that microsoft as a coorperation isn't involved in the business of choking out "open source" and third party coders like myself (and i'm sure many others that post to this forum)?
just what the hell do you mean by that?
when will people like you realize that comments like
"SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY"
are just childish... fighting on the internet is like the special olympics... even if you win you're still retarded
just cope dumb shit, if i wanna say "M$" i will, and there isn't really much you can do to stop me, IS THERE?!?!
so quit fucking crying about it!
Here's my view on "M$":

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Hmm... I'm not sure who originally posted the above. Whoever you are, FREEDOM OF SPEECH INCLUDES the speech telling someone to "shut the fuck up". So, without further ado:

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Dear whoever the fuck uses "M$" or "Winblows", et cetera,

Shut the fuck up, you're a god damn idiot for using "M$" or "31337" or "Microshaft" or "Winblow$" or any combination of the above. I do not care if Bill Gates is an evil Hell Spawn who should be struck down by GOD, if Steve Balmer really is a monkey, if Microsoft has killed thousands who were "going to talk", if Microsoft is Evil Incarnate, and is the sole reason for any problem, ever, including problems before and after it's existence, and the reason for speed limits (the most evil of all).

THE COMPANY'S FUCKING NAME IS "Microsoft", and the product is called "WINDOWS", and "elite" is spelled E-L-I-T-E. The rest you should look up in your dictionary, and if you need to, remove the "$" key from your keyboard. Yes, you will be forced to use the numpad for "4", but it's for the greater good.

If you can't speak with the proper names for things, then you can just fuck off, because no one is going to take you seriously.

So one more time, they are all stupid ways to "make yourself cool", and you should just go hump a rock like your god damned turtle. Go back to /., and Fuck you!

Love, xzxzzx
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This has been posted before, but one more time, for the benefit of all:

Fuck you!

Oh, and this:

Linky

and this:

Linky2
I'm not saying that "microsoft as a coorperation isn't involved in the business of choking out "open source" and third party coders like myself". Not at all. Now, keep in mind, the above was not meant for you. The above was meant for some "31337 hAx0r$", that I wanted to shut up. I don't want you to shut up, your points are (at least for the most part) totally relevant, and you don't seem to be an idiot.

But if I am going to communicate with someone, and if you want to be taken seriously, then "M$" is not a good thing, for either. ok?


On another note, don't get too worked up about Palladium. It can't work in the ways described on this board for several reasons:
1) MS doesn't have a significant enough market share of the server market
2) It can be "hacked" -- nothing can't be hacked. The only chance is if there was some sort of huge public key encryption which the processor processed every, say, 512 bytes, or something like that. Which would be *way* too slow.
3) People have a limit of what they will stand for.
4) If you're worryed about E-mail, etc, then:
http://www.pgp.com/display.php?pageID=31
or
http://www.pgpi.org/products/pgp/versions/freeware/

There's not much that will get through a 2048 bit public key, with a strong password, anytime soon, and even if there were, what about 5000 emails / second? I don't think so.

As for the "entertainment* sites", even a hardware solution will be fairly easily broken (I mean, with 5000 people working on it :), unless Microsoft has come up with something no one has ever thought of before. And Microsoft is NOT known for innovation. (Rule of thumb: if it's a microsoft origional product, wait about 5 full versions before it's anywhere near good).

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ok, look... the point here shouldn't be wheather or not someone put's any stupid abriviations in there posts or not. although i will concede that "M$" and other variants or affiliant phrases or abreviations there of are rather childish, but none less than riddeling your post with simpleton put downs to squash someone elses veiw like "fuck you" or "shut the fuck up" etc... now if we could all just muster the common decency to allow other to voice an oppinion or two without just lashing out with fowl mouthed retorts that barely require the though process of a south american banana slug to conjure.
now don't take this as an insult or as trying to say i'm better than you... i just think we could all look beyond such things and discuss just the isues at hand and not nit pick on who said what in what way, right? so in short.... everybody just be cool
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ok, look... the point here shouldn't be wheather or not someone put's any stupid abriviations in there posts or not. although i will concede that "M$" and other variants or affiliant phrases or abreviations there of are rather childish, but none less than riddeling your post with simpleton put downs to squash someone elses veiw like "fuck you" or "shut the fuck up" etc... now if we could all just muster the common decency to allow other to voice an oppinion or two without just lashing out with fowl mouthed retorts that barely require the though process of a south american banana slug to conjure.
now don't take this as an insult or as trying to say i'm better than you... i just think we could all look beyond such things and discuss just the isues at hand and not nit pick on who said what in what way, right? so in short.... everybody just be cool
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just cope dumb shit, if i wanna say "M$" i will, and there isn't really much you can do to stop me, IS THERE?!?!
Hmm. Yeah, I guess there is. It's called what I just posted. But it can't stop you, really, can it?

You didn't actually read all of my post, did you?
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Now, keep in mind, the above was not meant for you.
I posted the above for AMUSEMENT. It's funny, in the right light .

Most of my last post was a rant (a very effective one), regarding the "31337 hAx0rZ" on another thread, who wouldn't stop using some stupid terms. Yes, they are just terms, and with most terms, the only offending thing about it is in the mind of the reader/listener. "Fuck", "shit", "nigger", et cetera, are only offending because you choose to see them as offending. What makes them offending, exactly? If someone says, "you're a stupid poopie-head", is that somehow less offending? Supposedly, yes. The use of so-called "fowl language" is simply an expression of emotion. The only reason that they are "fowl" is that people view them as "fowl". Keep in mind, the majority of people, in many instances, are wrong. There is nothing that makes these words “fowl”, except for the stupid agreement of the culture. For example, “you stupid asshole” is somehow more offending than “stupid poopie-head”, but why? If you choose to see these words as what they are, an expression of an idea, which is generally not matched by other words, then perhaps they won’t offend you. I do see your point that these words do not take more than a “south American banana slug” to conjure, but there are two things:

1) I am not here to be a robot and discuss ONLY what is “on-topic”
2) I can post whatever I want. So can you. I value your presence here. I’ve said so in my previous post. I do not want you to leave, or stop posting, none of that. My point was only to stop the use of these “M$” words. They do not express emotion. There *is* an alternative which means precisely the same thing. They are, in general, a stupid way to “fit in”, “be cool”, “b3c0m3 7h3 1337 HaX0r”, and I see that as a incredibly stupid waste of energy and time. They add nothing, and have only the potential to subtract.

There is of course, the fact that a language is defined by use, and not the other way around. But that doesn't change the fact that language doesn't include the offensiveness of a word. Were there "bad words" in Latin? Who knows, as no one is still around who speaks it? Perhaps someone wrote about these "bad words". Anyway, without going off the topic of my post too far...

If you don’t like something someone else is doing, then post an argument against it. Actually, I enjoy reading arguments against my posts. They are, of course, always wrong , but nonetheless, it is a communication. And ANY communication is better than NO communication. Even if it’s wrong

My real point is that you shouldn't take things like this seriously. It’s all just good fun. Remember, if you take life too seriously, you won’t make it out alive.

I’m sure there was more I was going to say. But I’m tired. Until tomorrow.

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10 bucks says BillG files lawsuit.I mean, why wouldn't he, he's a sanctimonious bastard, AND he's a gold digger.
Didn't microsoft sue lindows or something a while back because of having a similar name and interface...or similar something?
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