Old 24th December 2004, 00:50   #1
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How much difference will I "really" hear...

I'm currently using an SB Live! Value for my sound playing goodness. How much of a sound difference realistically am i going to hear from a new generation sound card. I'm using a set of Sirocco Crossfire speakers...

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Old 24th December 2004, 03:07   #2
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Well, hon, the measure of difference varies by person, and the only way to determine for yourself with any acceptable precision is to perform an ABX test. This will eliminate any level of placebo effect, and you can learn your own perceptual audio transparency threshold for negligible variances in a DAC or an op-amp as well.

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Old 24th December 2004, 03:15   #3
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i can tell quite a bit between bitrates but i'm not sure there's much of a difference in sound quality if you only play mp3s or DVDs. i can actually tell the difference of sound quality between speakers better than sound cards. a high end sound card probably doesn't sound much that a $15-$30 card.

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Old 24th December 2004, 03:18   #4
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Well, hon, the measure of difference varies by person, and the only way to determine for yourself with any acceptable precision is to perform an ABX test. This will eliminate any level of placebo effect, and you can learn your own perceptual audio transparency threshold for negligible variances in a DAC or an op-amp as well.

But then again, I am a blonde and dont know what I am talking about half of the time

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What's an ABX test, are they easy to take, and if so, where can I find one?
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Old 24th December 2004, 03:20   #5
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If you can haer a difference between your front and rear channel's, it might make a difference.
(Do your self a favor and don't look up which ones are supposed to sound better first and come report what you think here)


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Old 24th December 2004, 03:20   #6
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The SB Live isn't exactly the best card.

With the crossfire speakers you should be able to hear a difference between it and a good multichannel card (M-Audio Revolution, Audiotrak Prodigy).

If you're unsure get it from a shop that lets you return it or order it online and test it against the SB.
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What's an ABX test, are they easy to take, and if so, where can I find one?
Hardware ABX tests are rather difficult.

Software ABX tests (to compare codecs etc.) can be done with eg. ABC-HR.
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Old 24th December 2004, 03:32   #7
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I dont think the ABX test is hard. It was easier than the SAT's

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Old 24th December 2004, 03:34   #8
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Speaking of the SATs... They took out analogies and replaced it with a fairly large section on writing I read.woot.

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Old 24th December 2004, 03:36   #9
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I dont think the ABX test is hard. It was easier than the SAT's

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I mean they're hard to set up, you need a random switchbox.
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Old 24th December 2004, 03:46   #10
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The Signal To Noise Ratio (SNR) can improve with a new card, and it's sometimes more obvious than a probably small difference in sound quality. A SB Live! should be okay anyway but some of the cheap on-board soundcards have a quite audible background hiss, especially when using headphones.
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Old 24th December 2004, 04:13   #11
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Actually the difference between my card and onboard audio isn't hiss (my fan's much too loud) but frequency response and probably also some distortion (not the resample bug, udial sounds ok).
In short, the onboard sounds both thin and muffled, like a 64k mp3 compared to the original.
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Old 24th December 2004, 12:47   #12
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SB live is an alright card, for music playback it's a good card. Where you will definatly notice a difference is in buying some good speakers, and I'm not talking computer speakers, I mean _proper_ speakers. I doubt you'll notice much difference at all between soundcards if you have crap speakers.

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Old 24th December 2004, 14:22   #13
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Speakers are as good as your wallet is thick. Sky's the limit, really. If you're on some semblence of a budget, go for Logitech Z5500 speakers (yes, they're computer speakers, but from what I've read, they're the best-quality computer speakers you can buy). If you can spend more than that, there are some audiophile companies that make "computer" speakers for upwards of $1000 that sound incredible.

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Old 24th December 2004, 14:39   #14
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Cheers for all the responses I got, I reckon I'll stick with the Crossfires, as they've got a fair clout in them. If I do end up buying a new soundcard, would it be wise to stray away from Creatives line?
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Old 24th December 2004, 14:39   #15
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The Z5500 will hardly be better than the Crossfire.
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Old 24th December 2004, 16:19   #16
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I just bought a Turtle Beach sound card, they're pretty nice
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Old 24th December 2004, 18:42   #17
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Aww... see Missy, living with an audio freak is good for you
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Old 24th December 2004, 22:42   #18
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I guess my speakers suck.
But hey, playing 190K mp3's who's gonna notice a difference anyways?


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Old 24th December 2004, 23:47   #19
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Try better ones.

Bad speakers can even amplify mp3 artifacts since their frequency response sabotages the psychoacoustics.

And 192k mp3s can sound very good.
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Old 25th December 2004, 00:46   #20
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the main part of a good sound system is the speakers. a good sound card is not going good when crappy speakers are used.

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