Old 4th August 2006, 18:37   #1
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*******n Skin, and Zango

This might be a problem. Someone install the new *******n skin, install it, click on the update checker, and update.

Is it doing what I think it's doing?
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Old 4th August 2006, 18:45   #2
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:02   #3
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Why, what do you think it's doing?
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:04   #4
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It looks like it's pushing Zango spyware as a 1.6 "update". At least, that's what happened on my computer. I clicked the update box and got an install dialog from Zango, my compie's spyware detectors went crazy.

I mean, maybe it was coincidence and it came from somewhere else at that moment, but it doesn't seem likely.
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:06   #5
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So it does, sneaky fuck.

DELETE!
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:13   #6
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Heh. This hasn't happened to me as a result of third party winamp stuff in years! Oh the memories!
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:15   #7
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Yeah, that was a crappy one...

/prepares for the author to appear...
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:23   #8
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haha, if you don't want Zango don't install the update. You have the option, it's not forcing anything on you. We added it that in to potentially make some money doing this, but I didn't want to make anyone upset over this.

Does this violate some winamp rule? There is nothing in the version downloaded from winamp.com that does anything to your computer, correct?

Please let me know what the 'official' winamp stance is on things of this nature.

Thanks! and sorry for any inconvenience
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:25   #9
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Yes, we don't want our users falling for this shit.

I clicked update, ran the setup file, realised what it was, told it I didn't want it, it installed it anyhow, leaving me with a nice add server in my systray and a ie toolbar I didn't ask for, which I'm now cleaning out.

Upload it again, but loose the spam.
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:33   #10
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wow, it's not supposed to do that, weird. Ok, I'll upload it again, but for future reference is there a rule I would be violating (not a moral one, but an actual real rule) if I gave the user the option to install something like this when they update the skin? I mean, I wouldn't install something like this myself, but people do - and I don't see how it's fair to police what people do on their own machine's with no connection to winamp.com. I mean, it's not a very 'nice' thing to do, but people do it all the time

flame me!

I'll just remove the link in the updater, do I still have to resubmit if I do that?
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:35   #11
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Gay is the probably the most subtle word I can use for that crap.
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:36   #12
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Yes.

There is no hard and fast rule, it's down to the reviewers, that should have been picked up before it was published.

We want our users to be safe on line and we don't want them coming back blaming us because they got spyware infested from a skin they downloaded here.
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:38   #13
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ok ok, i get it. So do I have to resubmit or can I just remove that link in the updater and you guys can just put the skin back up?

again, sorry to upset you guys; moral freaks
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:41   #15
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oh, I see, that;s what the initial 'Yes' meant.. I'll resubmit.
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:47   #16
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There is nothing moral in it, if it takes me 30 minutes to delete a skin because of it's 'leftovers' there is something wrong, yes, even had to go into safe mode to remove the toolbar crap.

Remove the update option, or change it to not use zango crap, and re-upload the skin as a new submission.

I'd rather you did it that way than me trying to restore the orignal one, the database has been known to 'hang on' to previously removed submission, and I'd rather it didn't in this case, so a new submission is the way to go.
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Old 4th August 2006, 19:57   #17
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Yeah, I'm really sorry about that install (esp. since you told it 'no', that sounds bad to me. I'll email zango about that ASAP, and I'll try to come up with a better way to handle this in the future.

Thanks again for your patience!
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Quite frankly, I think skinners who pull that crap should never see any of their skins published on winamp.com, ever again.

You just can't trust the fuckers, and the skins one downloads from winamp.com are supposed to be free from that crap.

I'm of a good mind to just delete your submission.

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Quite frankly, I think skinners who pull that crap should never see any of their skins published on winamp.com, ever again.
And these is some reason that this doesn't happen?. This would seem to be a real reason to ban the offender permanently. If I loaded this skin, I would be cheezed....
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Old 6th August 2006, 15:36   #21
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Originally posted by neuroSKINS
haha, if you don't want Zango don't install the update. You have the option, it's not forcing anything on you. We added it that in to potentially make some money doing this, but I didn't want to make anyone upset over this.

Does this violate some winamp rule? There is nothing in the version downloaded from winamp.com that does anything to your computer, correct?

Please let me know what the 'official' winamp stance is on things of this nature.

Thanks! and sorry for any inconvenience
This post would have decided it for me, this guy come over as quite a jerk.
You want a rule, I have one here for you, I just made it up and it will be very official from here on:

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You shall cause no spyware or other unwantedand unauthorized programs to be installed with or through anything you upload to the Winamp database.
How about it Mr Jones, I'l leave it to be your decision.
To axe it or not to axe, that's the question.

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Old 6th August 2006, 16:12   #22
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Personally, I think deleting that skin would be punishing everyone else more than it would be punishing him. But I don't presume to make the decision.
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Old 6th August 2006, 16:48   #23
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We'd be punishing everyone else by denying them spyware with their skins?
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When I come to WA and try to download a skin, I want to download a skin. Not a skin and some "free tracks" by whatever band it's promoting. Not a skin and "free teasers video" to whatever movie it's trying ot make me want to go see. And I especially don't want any other software installed. If a skin needs any other filetype than .wal or .wsz then I say leave it off this site.

imho, that is.
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Old 6th August 2006, 17:03   #25
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Yeah, but the real question is, why was it allowed to get to the site in the first place? should have been noticed and rejected the first time around.

So the fault is on us the reviewers for being to hasty and pushing it out the door without pushing all the buttons to see what it did.
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Yes, and that is my fault.

In a previous version I had already pushed that button, but I closed that window this time.

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Old 7th August 2006, 04:27   #27
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We'd be punishing everyone else by denying them spyware with their skins?
I'm just saying it's a good skin. If you don't want to take him at his word that he won't put spyware in the next version, that's absolutely your decision, I was just offering my viewpoint.
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Quite frankly, I think skinners who pull that crap should never see any of their skins published on winamp.com, ever again.
quite right, i think this fucker hasn't had his daily allotment of BANANAS!

I hate everyone, so you don't have to.
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Old 7th August 2006, 07:16   #29
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Well, thank God it's not and never will be up to you to decide that.
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Old 7th August 2006, 12:19   #30
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*USER BEWARE*
This skin has installed spyware and other crap in previous versions through the auto update function. Use at your own risk.
I've put a disclaimer on the skin, and I'm going to leave it at that.

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Old 7th August 2006, 18:31   #31
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I'm really surprised at the lack of profesionalism from some of the reviewers on this site. There was no written rule against something like this, and when I was informed that winamp had an issue with it, I immediately took care of the problem. The fact that the issue is still being pushed and that my skin now has staff review warning people seems to be punishment enough. The neuroSKINS staff worked very hard on this skin, and it's a real shame to the community in general to ban people for breaking non-existant rules (even if they comply to said rules after they are created). I really feel like this community needs to grow up and start acting a little more profesional.

Go ahead and flame away - I expect no less

thanks
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Old 7th August 2006, 18:50   #32
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Skin is published, end of discussion really, this isn't turning into a flame festival.

The 'Objectionable Content' definition in the submission guidelines will be updated to reflect this kind of problem, it wasn't really a problem when the guidelines were originally written, but we change (slowly) with the times.

End of.
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