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Old 10th September 2020, 15:14   #1
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Is it possible to sort artists with strict alphabetization?

As it stands Winamp reorders all the "The" artists. This, in my opinion, is a total mess. Is there any way to get Winamp to order all artists with strict alphabetization. I don't want "The Beatles" under B. They go under T. David Gilmour already shows up under D so using library alphabetization doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the first place. In addition I'd like "Weird Al" to show up under W. Not at the top under ".

I've fiddled around for many weeks and haven't figured out any way to change this. I didn't see any options in the .ini file but maybe I missed it? Thanks for any help in advance.
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Old 10th September 2020, 15:24   #2
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that depends on the ID of the file itself, so if you want to do it as you write, you need to adjust the ID part of the mp3 file itself so Winamp reads it like you want it .

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Old 10th September 2020, 17:13   #3
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Thank you for your response.

"you need to adjust the ID part of the mp3 file itself"

I assume you're talking about the ID3 tag? What part of the tag do I need to edit exactly? iTunes has a "sort artist as" tag but Winamp does not. mp3tag (the software) does not have a default option for that tag either but I could add it. Does Winamp recognize a "sort artist as" tag?
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Old 10th September 2020, 21:07   #4
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Yep the ID3 v2 tag , you could use a tagger software to get that done.

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Old 11th September 2020, 00:13   #5
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Ok I've figured out how to edit both "Artist Sort" and "Album Artist Sort" tags and it doesn't work. Winamp doesn't care if I put it in the artist sort or album artist sort. It still rearranges the "The" bands. Do you have any recommendations from where to go from here? I believe I've implemented everything correctly through mp3tag (the software). Do you use a different software?
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Old 11th September 2020, 00:16   #6
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I know that I've got the tags implemented correctly because my old iTunes files show the "Artist Sort" information I used to have in there now.
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Old 11th September 2020, 01:06   #7
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Your should try WACUP with the new media library (ml_ll). It has a new setting that accomplishes exactly what you are asking for.
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Old 11th September 2020, 02:28   #8
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Thanks for the suggestion! WACUP looks really cool. I gave it a shot, found the plugin, got it working and activated, found the "Ignore the 'the'" setting and...it still reorganizes the "the"s. Not sure if there's something else I should be doing but I suppose it's all in beta right? Thanks anyways. I'll keep my eye on this project to see if it gets fixed.

It seems like this should be stupid easy...
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Old 11th September 2020, 03:39   #9
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If you leave the box unchecked. The Beatles is filed under "T"
If you check the box The Beatles is filed under "B"

What am I missing?
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Old 11th September 2020, 04:23   #10
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The fact that I'm a dingus and interpreted the checkbox the other way around. The "The"s are now all together thank you! However, this still doesn't fix "Weird Al" being annoyingly at the top. Really, Winamp (or somebody) just needs to support the "Sort Artist As" tag. It would solve ALL of this BS. Thanks again.
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Old 11th September 2020, 12:37   #11
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I'll file it as a feature request
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Question, why do you have Weird Al in quotation marks?
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Old 11th September 2020, 15:45   #13
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Because that is exactly as it is spelled on all albums. It is generally accepted that his stage name is correctly spelled with quotation marks. Maybe I'm being pedantic but I included it in my collection for posterity. I know I could just remove it but then it wouldn't be "correct".

https://www.discogs.com/artist/25942...lquot-Yankovic
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Oh wow! Didn't know that. Thank you for educating me. I have the same issue with NSync albums. The proper spelling is 'NSync and that appears at the top. I have submitted it as a feature request and it looks like something may happen with adding some type of reading of Sort Artist As (ARTISTSORT) and maybe also adding sort Album Artist as (ALBUMARTISTSORT). Thanks for bringing this up as WACUP continues development.
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Old 12th September 2020, 00:27   #15
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Oh great! Are you part of the WACUP development team? Thank you for submitting my request. I look forward to seeing where the development goes. I'll probably start officially migrating my stuff over to WACUP in a day or two (shouldn't take me long my folders are nice and neat).

I didn't know that about 'NSync. Interesting. It's nice to know that I'm not the only nitpicky sorter-er. Haha.
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I'm not yet using wacup, but nice to see development like that going on...

Other apps have supported sort tags for years: artistsort, albumartistsort, albumsort, etc.

I would suggest that any app, winamp, wacup, whatever, should first support all tags in a standard, as well as all de facto standards, and/or other widespread kludges.

So what I mean by that is all such tag fields are in the media library and revealed for editing. That's the first step, simply get them into the ML and expose them to editing their values. (Only allow proper values as well, whatever limits there may be)

The second step is determining what changes to the apps behavior, if any, should be implemented, (like the way Albumartist affects behavior for example) and making them optional or not.

The third step would be allowing the user to create and recognize any custom tag fields they want to use.

I would suggest that the default, out of the box configuration of any app should be to have NO tag "guessing" on by default, and no kludges like "use artist as Album artist" options on by default either. Opt in to those, not opt out. Let users see what is actually present.

With winamp/wacup, it would make sense to have options such as "ignore articles like 'the' or not" as a preference per smart view. U could also have a global setting or default. Other related preferences would be ignoring punctuation, defining other articles such as la or el, whether to sort punctuation and numerals b4 or after A-Z, etc.

In the next post I'll list some tag field charts. Wacup should create one if none exists.

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Start with the authority:

https://id3.org/Developer%20Information

Then these:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3

https://help.mp3tag.de/main_tags.html

https://www.mediamonkey.com/sw/webhe...properties.htm

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.ph...rSupportedTags

So imo wacup should create a similar wiki chart and list both all the fields it currently supports, as well as all the ones it doesn't [yet].

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As per my sig, I would love to see TCMP supported. Valid values are either 1 or 0

If null, it shouldn't be there at all.

It's a good example of a field that represents a de facto standard, but should first simply be added and exposed for editing in the ML. Later, it could be decided if it should affect app behavior and how, (like if it should mimic an albumartist value of "Various Artists" or not, if the albumartist value is otherwise empty)

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Maybe they'll include all of this in Winamp 6.
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I doubt it will go in winamp or wacup, but it should.

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WACUP (pronounced Wake-up) is being developed by 1 person, Darren Owen (aka DrO) a former Winamp developer and plug-in programmer. He did a lot of the work on v5666.3516 and some of the initial work on v5.8.

He started the WACUP project 3 years ago using Winamp v5666.3516 (with it's official plug-ins and several 3rd party plug-ins) as it's base. Since that time he has replaced a lot of the Winamp code, fixed several bugs (in the Winamp code and in some plug-ins) and added new features. His goal is to completely replace the Winamp code and provide an independent 64-bit app with all of the Winamp v5666.3516 features and more. I'm part of WACUP's beta tester group.

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Thanks for the info! I gathered most of that but missed the part about it being a one man project.
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