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Old 13th September 2002, 00:45   #1
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Is pornography art?

My friend asked me this, so I might as well make a poll about it here.
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Old 13th September 2002, 00:51   #2
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i do not think pr0n is art because of its intent. those various paintings and such that show nudity are considered art by me because the human body is utterly complex to me. j/k i consider those paintings art for some reason. pr0n is bad nudity.

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Old 13th September 2002, 01:03   #3
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Porn isn't "bad" nudity...porn is nudity (or anything else be it audio, video, or whatever) whose primary intent is to arouse one sexually. When the intent becomes intellectual rather than sexual stimulation, then it enters into the threshold of "art." However, the line can get blurry between different individuals...a painter painting a picture of a nude woman may feel that he is making a statement about the inherent beauty of the female form, but a man veiwing the painting may find that it only makes him think about how much he'd like to fuck the girl in the picture...to the painter, the painting is art, but to the guy looking at it, it's porn...

As far is "is porn art," it depends...
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:09   #4
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To show people pleasuring one another is said to be obscene.
To show people murdering one another is said to be ok.
What am I missing here?
Is it just me, or is there something really wrong with this picture?

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Old 13th September 2002, 01:10   #5
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as long as the porn is not "abstract art"...

can a guy really have a fetish for ugly chicks (in his own opinion)?
i mean if he finds them ugly how can he like them in general? bilbo
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:14   #6
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p0rn isnt art.
nudity in the form of a picture or painting or drawing, to show something like innocence or complexity is art, modeling, is also art, because there is nothing sexual going on.
people fucking in a poolroom isnt art, and everything else isnt art.

well thats my comments
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:15   #7
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Porn stimulates on different levels. On the basic level, it stimulates us visually. On another, we go into our own fantasies, imagining what it would be like to engage in intercourse with someone we like in that position, and we develop that fantasy so that eventually we are looking beyond the image in front of us. The idea of pornography is to be a stimulation.

But I would not consider Pornography to be an artform (although there are some who do). Naked bodies, even explicity contoured, can be artful images, but there is a difference that I find hard to explain, yet if you put examples of the images in front of me, I would instantly know whether they were porn or art.
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:20   #8
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i would post the differences, but id get banned...
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:22   #9
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uh this???

[edit]it's my boot screen, my logo-on screen, my background, and my
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:25   #10
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porn cant be art. theres no way. ewwwwww. i'd never buy a painting with other people doing it doggy style...not even for my garage.




qhobbes....what the heck is that???

"Well, got to love you and leave you, need to go get into the shower and rub my hard naked body all over with soapy bubbles, I'll be back later to carry on playing....

It'll take you some time to get over the image of me naked in the shower......mind you don't masturbate to hard thinking about it...."
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:46   #11
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AHHH YOUVE WARPED MY FRAGILE LITTLE MIND

no but im talking about stuff like this (dont worry i blanked out the bad stuff....

follow the link, i blocked out the tits, so you wont see them, but i dont want to get banned for posting "porno" which it isnt...
anyway heres the link

pictures belong to their respective owners, i dont claim this as my work, only as an example of what i think is art and what i think is porn

http://www.angelfire.com/super/rando.../artvspron.png
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:49   #12
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hehe thanks for the example... That cleared everything up.
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:51   #13
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no prob, i think that is the basic difference in pron and art... anyone agree with me?
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:51   #14
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yea,... it certainly cleared something up, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:54   #15
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erm... i got a bunch of letters and symbols with little marks flying around. in other words, i didn't see the pic.

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Old 13th September 2002, 01:54   #16
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lol squell

I thought u only look at cactuar porn.
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:56   #17
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sometimes humans are nice to look at. and i feel that porn is art and therefore should be displayed everywhere.
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:57   #18
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the pic (b&w) is of a chic that i just searched for in google...

IM NOT GAY
so dont try to imply that.
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Old 13th September 2002, 01:58   #19
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sorry AE ill convert it to bmp or jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/super/rando.../artvspron.jpg

copy & paste in title bar, angelfire has gayass bullshit for image block...
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Old 13th September 2002, 02:05   #20
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no wait, i got it. just couldn't dislay it in opera. i agree with the pic. thanks for trying to help me tho.

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no prob
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Old 13th September 2002, 02:19   #22
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yeah, I wouldn't really consider most porn as a legit form of art. Though, some porno films I have seen get pretty artistic and creative at times.
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Old 13th September 2002, 03:14   #23
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Pornography, literaly; whore writing.
Probably one of mankinds oldest art forms.
At least as old as the oldest profession,
from which it takes it's name.
Not being done well, or to our individual tastes, does not diminish the fact that pornography is indeed art.
So are pictures of giant soup cans, a guy suspended on hooks from wires on the ceiling, and the Artist Formerly and now once more known as Prince.
Funny little world we have here huh?

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Old 13th September 2002, 03:15   #24
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hmm... porn is not art. the act of lovemaking is a beautiful thing, however when it is perverted, it is no longer a beautiful thing. there is nothing, in my opinion, any more beautiful than a female body... that is art. not necicarily just for sexual reasons... they're just pretty.

having said all of this, i like pr0n and watch it often. I also have a flag on my wall that says PoRn... like KoRn... you know those things. it's cool.
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Old 13th September 2002, 03:21   #25
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pornography is designed to titillate alone, whereas art, although it can titillate, is generally focused to make you think, as well. pornography could be judged an "art" due to there being varying levels of expertise involved, but it's no more art than a holiday snap, in general.

so i voted "no"

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Quote:
Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins
yet if you put examples of the images in front of me, I would instantly know whether they were porn or art.
Then what do you term Ingres' Grand Odalisque as, out of scholarly curiosity?

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"Then what do you term Ingres' Grand Odalisque as, out of scholarly curiosity?"-Xerxes

Exquisite.
Wonderful choice friend Xerxes!

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Oh yes, very exquisite- almost anything by Ingres is the product of, IMHO, the best technical "virtuoso" painting has ever seen. (I personally enjoy his work better than Eugene Delacroix, his contemporary/sworn enemy)

Interesting to note, and the other reason i chose it:

It is the general consensus that Ingres has a very strong sexual fetish, for women's backs. Not to cheapen the image, but close study of the spinal area will reveal that it is very, very long. Ingres was very capable of rendering a perfectly proportionate person obviously.

I guess what i'm trying to say here- the act of painting the Grand Odalisque could, by definition, be "pornographic", since he has just created, by painting (a sensual act, many painters would argue) his dream woman. For the end user (the viewer) however, it may not be pornographic. This is where the line blurs. There is obvious porn, there is obvious art. But if we go solely by intent, where then does the Grand Odalisque fall under?

(and call me inhuman, but I think the best part of the painting is the curtain in the corner. Examine it carefully - it looks almost photographic. Ingres' talent for rendering fabrics in paint has never been surpassed)
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(and call me inhuman, but I think the best part of the painting is the curtain in the corner. Examine it carefully - it looks almost photographic. Ingres' talent for rendering fabrics in paint has never been surpassed)
I was going to say the same thing.
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That's pretty much what I said in my earlier post Xerxes (the stuff about artist's intent versus the perceptions of the audience), and nobody seemed to care...
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I'm in complete agreement as regards the technical elegance of the piece, but as you so eloquently stated Friend Xerxes, much more is at work here.
The soul of the artist has visited the canvas, and in so doing has marked it with an immortality known only to eternal truths.
I've found that in my darkest hours
I find my deepest solace in works such as this.

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some1- rule number one when discussing art: use pictures

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The soul of the artist has visited the canvas, and in so doing has marked it with an immortality known only to eternal truths.
And is that what not distinguishes the best art- quasi erotic or not?
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Old 13th September 2002, 09:49   #33
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Porn is not art. Pornographic art? http://dragonworld.com/ponderosa/ see for yourself (gay, lesbian, nonsexual)
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Old 13th September 2002, 15:53   #34
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umm, i have skipped many posts in here, so pardon me if what im gonna say was already said......

well, the human body, its the most wonderful thing ever exisitng,
i look @ my body, does this count as porn? i mean, adam and eve were created naked, what makes them different than us? we desire porn becaus of a physical reason, to have sex, that urge was given to us so we will reproduce, which is natural and shouldnt be afraid of, i still agree about the legal age for having sex, but for god sakes.. there are condoms and pills, use them. i dont know what makes porn illegal if were supposed to do it eventually

on a sub note, child porn, its the most disgusting, gruesome, sickening type of porn there is, i mean, thats abuse!!!!! even if the photographing guys dont make physical contact with the victims, its stil called abuse and should be stopped by all means
asians think otherwise, thats their life

another thing that i dont get, is erotic films, what makes them different than porn films? even if the privates are hidden, its the same action, same thing, only the couple is under a blanket or something, geeez
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A painting of dogs playing poker. Now that's art. Or perhaps a velvet print of Elvis. Sad clown paintings? Debatable.

What was the question again?
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Old 13th September 2002, 20:51   #36
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Flesh is flesh, the manor that it is presented before you makes all the difference. If your associates are going, “check this shit out man,” then it is porno. If a curator says come and look at this then it is art. It is relative to the social position you are in.

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so youre basically saying that it can be either, depending on the end users's perspective?
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No porn is porn. but for art it can be erotic. my mom has tones of nude paintings in her house and they are considerd art. it also depends the situation of the image. and what is in you brain i guess.

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I guess it depends on your definition of art. For me, art is anything that is beautiful. There are beautiful pornographic pictures, so yes, porn can be art.
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I would never consider porn art.

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