2 Years Today With No Update For Winamp!

[dave1977nj]

It's been 2 years today 12/12/2015 now without a update for Winamp.

Radionomy... you need to start working on Winamp!

[Aminifu]

For playing audio files, the patched version of 5.666.3516 (with a few new 3rd party plug-ins) is still working just fine for me.

Victhor has released a great new skin (http://victhor.deviantart.com/art/KO...reen-577329475). It has plenty of eye candy and new ways to use Winamp's basic features to manage and interact with your files. Makes it seem like a new player.

A few people on other websites claim to have seen a beta of the next version. If true, then the Radionomy devs are working on the Winamp update.

[dave1977nj]

Originally Posted by Aminifu

For playing audio files, the patched version of 5.666.3516 (with a few new 3rd party plug-ins) is still working just fine for me.

Victhor has released a great new skin (http://victhor.deviantart.com/art/KO...reen-577329475). It has plenty of eye candy and new ways to use Winamp's basic features to manage and interact with your files. Makes it seem like a new player.

A few people on other websites claim to have seen a beta of the next version. If true, then the Radionomy devs are working on the Winamp update.

Where can i get the patch for this?

[Tohno_Neil]

It's time to consider use POWERFUL x64 bit BaiduMusic player,ha ha ha

↑ it's a joke. :-P

[Tohno_Neil]

Radionomy，wait for what ? Then spring has come，happy new year.

[Koogle]

Some updates just aren't worth having...

I mean look at the shit Microsuck have been doing to windows.. 8, 8.1, 10 ... total shit.

What about Mozilla.. those retards have been lobotomizing Firefox into total shit in the last 5years, and still they think the goal should be making it more like that pile of shit chrome.

Really can't see Winamp updates being any better, just glad it still works the best thing about winamp is the plugins, medialibrary and the modern skin system that got extended by cpro.

...Radionomy got winamp for the shoutcast userbase.... if they wanted it to suceed they would have worked on putting the website back and having a centralized place for community to continue making plugins, skins etc.

They seemed pretty fucking clueless as to what to do with a windows application. They probably want to to turn it into some sort of mobile phone cloud sharing shite.

[Vercalos]

Feel free to skip this post; I'm not active on the forums and likely to repeat a lot of what has already been posted before.

Frankly I have no idea what Radionomy is going to do, but their entire service smacks of incompetence. Their website has a decent, if basic, aesthetic, but whoever did the coding for their website should be replaced with someone who has a better idea what they're doing. I tried searching for several artists on the site, and quite a few of them return:
"Sorry, an unknown error occured while processing your request."
Which basically means no results were found, which includes popular artists such as John Newman

For artists the site does recognize, it links to additional reading information, but the language seems to be random, PSY, for some reason, links to a French article rather than an English one, and Radiohead's link doesn't display properly within the website..

The fact that they bought Winamp and let it lie fallow bothers me most. Winamp is my favorite music player for PC, and I think we, the users, would have been better off if AOL had released the source-code and made it open source.

[wxrance]

Originally Posted by Vercalos

Feel free to skip this post; I'm not active on the forums and likely to repeat a lot of what has already been posted before.

Frankly I have no idea what Radionomy is going to do, but their entire service smacks of incompetence. Their website has a decent, if basic, aesthetic, but whoever did the coding for their website should be replaced with someone who has a better idea what they're doing. I tried searching for several artists on the site, and quite a few of them return:
"Sorry, an unknown error occured while processing your request."
Which basically means no results were found, which includes popular artists such as John Newman

For artists the site does recognize, it links to additional reading information, but the language seems to be random, PSY, for some reason, links to a French article rather than an English one, and Radiohead's link doesn't display properly within the website..

The fact that they bought Winamp and let it lie fallow bothers me most. Winamp is my favorite music player for PC, and I think we, the users, would have been better off if AOL had released the source-code and made it open source.

I have to say i agree with this. I don't see this company doing anything good in the long run. I guess we are lucky it still works. Kind of sucks that they are just letting it sit there. Just why did they buy it i guess it was to add shoutcast to their service which was crappy.

[seyss]

Radionomy ruined Winamp development.

[Aminifu]

If you're asking about the latest patched version of Winamp, see link below.

http://www.filehorse.com/download-winamp/

[Andalando]

Glad to get the latest update here and the link too. Hope this will help to get the latest version of winamp.

[Canary]

Is going OpenSource like VLC an option?

[musicf8]

Originally Posted by Canary

Is going OpenSource like VLC an option?

That depends on Radionomy... so I personally doubt they would. Even then, there's no guarantee it would continue

[Andalando]

Originally Posted by Canary

Is going OpenSource like VLC an option?

Yeah VLC is really fantastic and this can be used always on any device.

[nimd4]

Originally Posted by Andalando

Yeah VLC is really fantastic and this can be used always on any device.

Only be fair, when talking (great!) players - such as VLC, with built-in codecs, which are able to play /decode everything - to also take notice of the SMPlayer (yeah, among others, as well (Flow, Wimpy FLV 'n all that), sure. )

Btw., it's advertised as:

Free media player with support for Youtube

code:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/smplayer/

... It's got the SMTube & it's cool. =)

code:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/SMTube.shtml

code:
http://download.cnet.com/SMPlayer/3000-13632_4-76576905.html

[Tohno_Neil]

winamp ≠ best

[musicf8]

Originally Posted by Tohno_Neil

winamp ≠ best

best is subjective. Though imo Winamp sucks in regards to video

[Sabine Klare]

At least Winamp can play the most .wmv-files. If a .wmv-file cannot be played by Winamp, then it also cannot be played by IrfanView.

I have a few buggy .wmv-files, made with a buggy update of a video-converter by Hamstersoft, which I uninstalled later. Only Windows Media Player can play them.

The most .wmv-files had been made with Windows Movie Maker, before I used also MAGIX Video Deluxe 17 Premium. And after Winamp had come onto my PC the first time, they got their first plays directly in Winamp, before they came to YouTube...

[wxrance]

So i just got an email from Radionomy today saying will 2016 is here and we got great news. We just release a brand new app. So for 2 years this is what they were working on for 2016. The only reason they bought Winamp was for the Shoutcast radio stations. They are not going to do anything about Winamp. They have a bigger library of radio stations and that's all they care about. Its not a Winamp app.

[musicf8]

Originally Posted by wxrance

So i just got an email from Radionomy today saying will 2016 is here and we got great news. We just release a brand new app. So for 2 years this is what they were working on for 2016. The only reason they bought Winamp was for the Shoutcast radio stations. They are not going to do anything about Winamp. They have a bigger library of radio stations and that's all they care about. Its not a Winamp app.

They should then spin off winamp to a separate company. Nullsoft was profitable tmk before AOL shut them down.

[musicf8]

Originally Posted by Sabine Klare

before I used also MAGIX Video Deluxe 17 Premium

OMG Magix... that takes me back... Makes me wanna load up my copy of Magix Music Maker 2000 and create some beats haha

[Sabine Klare]

Maybe we will see us in YouTube some day...

The Deluxe Premium Version of MAGIX Video has also a built-in screenrecorder, and after I had put the Milkdrop Visualizer onto the desktop, I had recorded it. But I had to play a song twice to get the recording in the full length. I know, there are also Fraps, Camtasia, Hypercam, but MAGIX can be bought directly in a real store without online-banking.

For Windows 7 this single post is very important:
http://forums.winamp.com/showpost.ph...0&postcount=17

My Winamps on my PC & notebook still work. I love the Milkdrop Visualizer of Winamp very much, and I have customized it more and more. Now it is very perfect for enjoying the music. I have added very much skins, presets, textures etc., and the software folder Winamp has 1.36/1.39 GB now...

[Tohno_Neil]

Any news?

[musicf8]

Originally Posted by Tohno_Neil

Any news?

yes

[mellowlandings]

Much as it pains me, I'm inclined to agree. Being a long-time Winamp fan, it's heartbreaking to watch a great media player grow stagnant. The overall questionon that being: Why would Radionomy, after fighting as hard as they did to save it from extinction, just let it lay dormant? It's been two years...surely somebdy could have done SOMETHING in that time!

I really think Radionomy bit off more than they could chew with this. If I'm wrong, then somebody prove it.

[DJ Egg]

I'm pretty sure I already explained everything via the links in the first post of the News thread...

We could release a public 5.8 beta right now....
Though there would be no CD Burning, no Gracenote (cddb, autotag, playlist generator, etc) replacement, and no Queuing features
(Q / Alt+click, enhanced J dialog, and all other features provided by JTFE).

We could probably get away with one or two of those things, but I'm not sure about all three.
Sure, there's currently no working Gracenote features in 5.666 either....
But what I don't want is another Winamp3 type situation with tons of "where's this? where's that? you suck!" type of complaints.

This is what HAS been done so far:

1. Replaced Fraunhofer MP3 Decoder with a top quality open source decoder (details to come later).

2. Replaced Fraunhofer AAC decoder with native Windows decoder (Media Foundation)

3. Replaced H.264 & MPEG-4 Part-2 video decoders with native Windows decoders
(we were looking at using OpenH264 but it has limitations and doesn't currently support High Profile)

4. Replaced Sonic CD playback & ripping engine with native Windows API

5. Removed DRM support from Windows Media Decoder (WMA/WMV/ASF)

6. Removed MP3 and HE-AAC encoders from the installer (these will now need to be downloaded separately)
Note: We were planning on also writing a new AAC-LC-only encoder based off Media Foundation...

7. A plethora of new features, bug fixes, updates & optimizations.... and there are many many of these !!!

1-6 makes Winamp legal, and also means that we don't have to pay anyone for licenses/patents/etc (like AOL were doing previously), and we can release it as 100% freeware again (i.e. no more Pro version - the free version will be fully functional)

Note that the Media Foundation decoders are Windows Vista and higher, so there'll be no native support for those formats on WinXP (though it will still install on XP sp3, and relevant plugins/decoders from 5.666 will still work)

So.... current team....as I explained in the News thread.....

From Jan 2014 to Sep 2014 it was just DrO and me.
From Sep 2014-Aug 2015 = nobody. We had to work on SHOUTcast 2.4.x+ instead.
No working SHOUTcast monetization meant no revenue meant no Winamp.
From ~Sep 2015 onwards... no more DrO :-(
DrO removed his JTFE plugin from the code base and distribution.
The team is now made up of me, plus a few other former Winamp coders who already have another full-time job.
We are doing the best we can, the others are doing it in whatever spare time they can find.

As also previously explained, DrO committed a lot of code between Jan-Sep 2014, most of which was awesome, but some of it was unfinished and made v5.8 unstable when switching skins and when dealing with metadata, amongst other issues. So we decided to roll everything back to ~Feb 2014 and started recommitting / cherry-picking code.
We're now almost back to where we were before. There's now no crashes like before, and we have a pretty stable build.... except, unlike how there has been for the past ~13 years, there's now no Queue / JTFE features :-(

Of course, we could've all just stepped aside and let Radionomy take over with new devs who weren't familiar with any of the Winamp code (unlike the rest of us who've got between ~8-16 years experience), and maybe there'd be a new Winamp version out by now. Would it look and be anything at all like the current Winamp that we all know and love, with all the same great features? Who knows? Though my guess would be 'probably not'.

But let's also not forget that without Radionomy, we would not be here right now. So praises be to them!

I'm very sorry that it's taking so long. We're doing the best we can... and we're getting there... slowly but surely.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

[talon1212]

Originally Posted by DJ Egg

We could release a public 5.8 beta right now....
Though there would be no CD Burning, no Gracenote (cddb, autotag, playlist generator, etc) replacement, and no Queuing features
(Q / Alt+click, enhanced J dialog, and all other features provided by JTFE).

We could probably get away with one or two of those things, but I'm not sure about all three.

Winamp CD Burning was nice, but most people already found replacements?
Gracenote is already been gone for a while, so we dont need to wait for that specifically.

Now Queuing is needed for Bars, parties, amateur DJ, just a nice feature overall.(I use mouse3 to queue)
So that for me personally is the highest priority, and then i'll be sure to start using the beta. (just found out there IS a beta)

[pbelkner]

Originally Posted by DJ Egg

This is what HAS been done so far:

Great news!

What about the announced WASAPI output (Benski doesn't answer to my PM)?

[womble dung]

Originally Posted by DJ Egg

I'm pretty sure I already explained everything via the links in the first post of the News thread...

We could release a public 5.8 beta right now....
Though there would be no CD Burning, no Gracenote (cddb, autotag, playlist generator, etc) replacement, and no Queuing features
(Q / Alt+click, enhanced J dialog, and all other features provided by JTFE).

We could probably get away with one or two of those things, but I'm not sure about all three.
Sure, there's currently no working Gracenote features in 5.666 either....
But what I don't want is another Winamp3 type situation with tons of "where's this? where's that? you suck!" type of complaints.

This is what HAS been done so far:

1. Replaced Fraunhofer MP3 Decoder with a top quality open source decoder (details to come later).

2. Replaced Fraunhofer AAC decoder with native Windows decoder (Media Foundation)

3. Replaced H.264 & MPEG-4 Part-2 video decoders with native Windows decoders
(we were looking at using OpenH264 but it has limitations and doesn't currently support High Profile)

4. Replaced Sonic CD playback & ripping engine with native Windows API

5. Removed DRM support from Windows Media Decoder (WMA/WMV/ASF)

6. Removed MP3 and HE-AAC encoders from the installer (these will now need to be downloaded separately)
Note: We were planning on also writing a new AAC-LC-only encoder based off Media Foundation...

7. A plethora of new features, bug fixes, updates & optimizations.... and there are many many of these !!!

1-6 makes Winamp legal, and also means that we don't have to pay anyone for licenses/patents/etc (like AOL were doing previously), and we can release it as 100% freeware again (i.e. no more Pro version - the free version will be fully functional)

Note that the Media Foundation decoders are Windows Vista and higher, so there'll be no native support for those formats on WinXP (though it will still install on XP sp3, and relevant plugins/decoders from 5.666 will still work)

So.... current team....as I explained in the News thread.....

From Jan 2014 to Sep 2014 it was just DrO and me.
From Sep 2014-Aug 2015 = nobody. We had to work on SHOUTcast 2.4.x+ instead.
No working SHOUTcast monetization meant no revenue meant no Winamp.
From ~Sep 2015 onwards... no more DrO :-(
DrO removed his JTFE plugin from the code base and distribution.
The team is now made up of me, plus a few other former Winamp coders who already have another full-time job.
We are doing the best we can, the others are doing it in whatever spare time they can find.

As also previously explained, DrO committed a lot of code between Jan-Sep 2014, most of which was awesome, but some of it was unfinished and made v5.8 unstable when switching skins and when dealing with metadata, amongst other issues. So we decided to roll everything back to ~Feb 2014 and started recommitting / cherry-picking code.
We're now almost back to where we were before. There's now no crashes like before, and we have a pretty stable build.... except, unlike how there has been for the past ~13 years, there's now no Queue / JTFE features :-(

Of course, we could've all just stepped aside and let Radionomy take over with new devs who weren't familiar with any of the Winamp code (unlike the rest of us who've got between ~8-16 years experience), and maybe there'd be a new Winamp version out by now. Would it look and be anything at all like the current Winamp that we all know and love, with all the same great features? Who knows? Though my guess would be 'probably not'.

But let's also not forget that without Radionomy, we would not be here right now. So praises be to them!

I'm very sorry that it's taking so long. We're doing the best we can... and we're getting there... slowly but surely.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

i understand completely.
having used winamp since the early 2000's i find it the most instinctive media player there is, and get disappointed with almost all of the others around.

so i am more than happy to wait till the devs are ready to roll.


one critisism though; I WISH THERE WAS A LINUX/UBUNTU VERSION as i love using those platforms, but find their media players either nerdy or gimmicky

[JasonFriday13]

Originally Posted by womble dung

one critisism though; I WISH THERE WAS A LINUX/UBUNTU VERSION as i love using those platforms, but find their media players either nerdy or gimmicky

I've used RhythmBox in the past quite a bit, this fills my needs quite nicely so I haven't looked at any others.

Regarding DJ Egg's update post, I absolutely agree. My priority list would be basic queue functionality, album art and album metadata (FreeDB in EAC works quite well), then CD burning last. I don't remember the last time I burned a CD, most of the time I'm using EAC to turn a CD into an image file for storage, and I use that mounted in a virtual drive to read from it.

Despite being a 10+ year veteran on the forums (mostly spent in the NSIS sub-forum) I've only recently (2013) started using Winamp as my main player. I thought I would give it a go and have never looked back. I've never really been a fan of skins, so I'm just using the default blue and silver W5 skin. Using Winamp is the main reason I moved from MP3 files to Vorbis, because Ubuntu and my Android phone both support Vorbis. In the future I plan to move my collection to Opus once it is widely supported (my collection isn't very big, about 24 artists and roughly a 1000 songs).

[Aminifu]

Originally Posted by JasonFriday13

... In the future I plan to move my collection to Opus once it is widely supported (my collection isn't very big, about 24 artists and roughly a 1000 songs).

Have you seen this thread (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=347029)?

[JasonFriday13]

Yeah I have seen thinktink's plugin, nice piece of work that is. I was originally going to skip Vorbis and go straight to Opus, but my phone at the time didn't support Opus. I'm not that worried about Opus support in Winamp because Vorbis still fills my needs (open-source and good quality-to-filesize ratio). Really, Opus is just for smaller files at the same quality level (in my case that's: Opus at 128kbps, Vorbis at 160kbps, and MP3 at 192kbps). Even the shift from MP3 to Vorbis reduced the file sizes by about a quarter (from 6MB to 4.5MB on average).

[bluejay99]

Thank you for the update, I'll wait as long as it takes. I'd rather have it "good" than "Thursday".

[doomedromance]

I really only want a media library and to play music. Don't use any of the other stuff, but nothing good is like this so i settle for winamp.
I would gladly use a winamp without cd burning, gracenoe, and shoutcast, web browser, podcasts, online services. I use none of that stuff.

Originally Posted by DJ Egg

I'm pretty sure I already explained everything via the links in the first post of the News thread...

We could release a public 5.8 beta right now....
Though there would be no CD Burning, no Gracenote (cddb, autotag, playlist generator, etc) replacement, and no Queuing features
(Q / Alt+click, enhanced J dialog, and all other features provided by JTFE).

We could probably get away with one or two of those things, but I'm not sure about all three.
Sure, there's currently no working Gracenote features in 5.666 either....
But what I don't want is another Winamp3 type situation with tons of "where's this? where's that? you suck!" type of complaints.

This is what HAS been done so far:

1. Replaced Fraunhofer MP3 Decoder with a top quality open source decoder (details to come later).

2. Replaced Fraunhofer AAC decoder with native Windows decoder (Media Foundation)

3. Replaced H.264 & MPEG-4 Part-2 video decoders with native Windows decoders
(we were looking at using OpenH264 but it has limitations and doesn't currently support High Profile)

4. Replaced Sonic CD playback & ripping engine with native Windows API

5. Removed DRM support from Windows Media Decoder (WMA/WMV/ASF)

6. Removed MP3 and HE-AAC encoders from the installer (these will now need to be downloaded separately)
Note: We were planning on also writing a new AAC-LC-only encoder based off Media Foundation...

7. A plethora of new features, bug fixes, updates & optimizations.... and there are many many of these !!!

1-6 makes Winamp legal, and also means that we don't have to pay anyone for licenses/patents/etc (like AOL were doing previously), and we can release it as 100% freeware again (i.e. no more Pro version - the free version will be fully functional)

Note that the Media Foundation decoders are Windows Vista and higher, so there'll be no native support for those formats on WinXP (though it will still install on XP sp3, and relevant plugins/decoders from 5.666 will still work)

So.... current team....as I explained in the News thread.....

From Jan 2014 to Sep 2014 it was just DrO and me.
From Sep 2014-Aug 2015 = nobody. We had to work on SHOUTcast 2.4.x+ instead.
No working SHOUTcast monetization meant no revenue meant no Winamp.
From ~Sep 2015 onwards... no more DrO :-(
DrO removed his JTFE plugin from the code base and distribution.
The team is now made up of me, plus a few other former Winamp coders who already have another full-time job.
We are doing the best we can, the others are doing it in whatever spare time they can find.

As also previously explained, DrO committed a lot of code between Jan-Sep 2014, most of which was awesome, but some of it was unfinished and made v5.8 unstable when switching skins and when dealing with metadata, amongst other issues. So we decided to roll everything back to ~Feb 2014 and started recommitting / cherry-picking code.
We're now almost back to where we were before. There's now no crashes like before, and we have a pretty stable build.... except, unlike how there has been for the past ~13 years, there's now no Queue / JTFE features :-(

Of course, we could've all just stepped aside and let Radionomy take over with new devs who weren't familiar with any of the Winamp code (unlike the rest of us who've got between ~8-16 years experience), and maybe there'd be a new Winamp version out by now. Would it look and be anything at all like the current Winamp that we all know and love, with all the same great features? Who knows? Though my guess would be 'probably not'.

But let's also not forget that without Radionomy, we would not be here right now. So praises be to them!

I'm very sorry that it's taking so long. We're doing the best we can... and we're getting there... slowly but surely.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

[makaiguy]

Originally Posted by doomedromance

I would gladly use a winamp without cd burning, gracenoe, and shoutcast, web browser, podcasts, online services. I use none of that stuff.

^^^^ What doomedromance said.

[ampshout]

+1 what makaiguy said

[musicf8]

^ What ampshout said

CD Burning/Ripping - there's better programs (e.g. EAC) that handle ripping more accurately, and burning makes more sense in a program that can burn more than just audio cds imo.
Gracenote - Tried it a few times, think it accurately ID'd one song once, might be because most of my stuff is underground/older electronic music.
Shoutcast - Used it back in the day for Bluemars & Digitally Imported. Bluemars is gone, and di.fm requires a monthly fee to use winamp now, so don't need it.
Web Browser - god I hated this when it was implemented, most annoying thing ever put into winamp. Not to mention it just opens security holes because it uses trident.
Podcasts - never got into it
Online Services - Again, fun to play with it when it first came out, but now there's nothing really relevant on there, especially with all these other services you can access via the browser.

The only other thing I would love is make videos an add-on package instead of being a part of the default package.

[Gamergeek1981]

what is the latest on winamp 5.8? because the longer it takes to get the next version of winamp out people are losing hope that winamp will be back and better then ever

[cybersaga]

Originally Posted by Gamergeek1981

what is the latest on winamp 5.8?

It's still coming. No ETA.

Originally Posted by Gamergeek1981

the longer it takes to get the next version of winamp out people are losing hope that winamp will be back and better then ever

I don't know about you, but Winamp still plays my music. Is there a feature that you're missing?

[gezeo750]

Originally Posted by cybersaga

It's still coming. No ETA.


I don't know about you, but Winamp still plays my music. Is there a feature that you're missing?

Honestly, I think that's the attitude of Radionomy. Announce new version/features, and fail to deliver because the old version still plays all your music... So not cool.