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Old 3rd March 2006, 16:51   #241
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This is the new View for shoutcast, if you dont like it, you don't have to use it, but the old view is not coming back (ever). And if you decide to run 5.13, the old shoutcast listings are being end-of-lifed when 5.21 launches. I have done my best to make everyone happy, and yes any station you tuned in to before is still available. Infact, now there's 12000 more stations for you to tune in to. If you don't like the UI, well I welcome ANYONE to peek at the source and come up with something better, honestly! We may just use yours instead!

Heck, if someone wants to make a Flash UI , we'll add it to the config options!

Online Services is an Optional Plugin in ML, if you don't like it, DON'T INSTALL IT. It's that simple.

If you cant find your shoutcast stations, visit www.shoutcast.com, the UI there hasn't been touched since 1999, so i'm sure you'll find it useful.

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Winamp taking 30 seconds to load has got nothing to do with the Shoutcast Browser or Online Media/Services, so I'm not sure why you're even posting in this thread.
More than likely, it's either an incompatible 3rd-party plugin or skin to blame, or possibly an issue caused by the new Portable Media Player support modules, in particular pmp_p4s.dll (support for Microsoft PlaysForSure Devices).

All buggy older versions of Winamp can be found here
As far as I am concerned, IMHO, 5.2 has been the buggiest version ever that I have used.

1) Wiped out about 1000 playlists, only been able to recover about 10 of my playlists;
2) Wiped out install code for pro version;
-- the above 2 things happened when I told it to use
separate settings for different users
3) Hangs when it is trying to play video, primarily streaming video well I should say always from AOL Video, ShoutCast TV, and WinAmp Video but will hang on play local video.
4) Now even the older version takes about 50 seconds to load the older version even after deleting "\program files\winamp", "\documents and settings\%user name%\application data\winamp" and all entries in the registry that I could find. I don't use 3rd party skins or plugins.

I tried to even lower my security settings in IE to see if this was the problem to no avail video's hang even to the point that the only option is to hit the reset button so older versions buggy? I beg to differ with you.

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You are correct, I didn't read it because I was upset at the new product being slow and buggy and just wanted to find out if others were experiencing similar problems. However, you had a post that said "5.2 shoutcast browser poll". So thanks for giving me a place to vent I guess. Don't be upset when people use an opinion poll for just that, however unfounded it may be. I guess since my gripe about the length of the names is already taken care of, score one for you! I lose at forumcraft! =x_X=

However, it seems other people are getting the same slowness and script errors I am:

Quote:
Originally posted by hate5.2

Error msg:
"A runtime error has occu... do you wish debug?
line: 367
error: oject expected"
-->and winamp crashed.
My IE settings are all default. (yes, DJ SmartyPants, I just checked. :P ) Are you saying that Winamp requires special IE settings?

Also, from reading posts, other people are having slowness issues. YOU probably can't duplicate it, but it is happening to people apparently. Is there information that we can gather for you so your devs can look into fixing the issue, or at least informing people of a potential cause so they can disable whatever is causing the problem?

Try not to take these posts so personally. You seem to be getting upset the more you read em. You should be happy. People know that winamp is the best product on the market of its kind and they tend to get pissy when they think devs or companies start modifying stuff and adding in a dash of "no worky" just to kick it up a notch. There have been a few good programs that large companies have bought that were run into the ground. After reading some more posts, it seems like you still care about your product and what your users/customers think, so I look forward to good things with winamp.
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Winamp.com itself is experiencing some load problems. we are actively working on resolving it.

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This is the new View for shoutcast, if you dont like it, you don't have to use it, but the old view is not coming back (ever). And if you decide to run 5.13, the old shoutcast listings are being end-of-lifed when 5.21 launches.
If this happens, even though I purchased the PRO version when it first became available I want my money back. There wasn't anything wrong with the old way of doing it. It much simpler to use and more intuitive for the end user.

This version wiped out almost 1000 playlists when I switch from "one user version" to "multi-profile" verson. The install program should have copied the playlists to the current profile not delete them.

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I have done my best to make everyone happy, and yes any station you tuned in to before is still available. Infact, now there's 12000 more stations for you to tune in to. If you don't like the UI, well I welcome ANYONE to peek at the source and come up with something better, honestly! We may just use yours instead!

Heck, if someone wants to make a Flash UI , we'll add it to the config options!

Online Services is an Optional Plugin in ML, if you don't like it, DON'T INSTALL IT. It's that simple.

If you cant find your shoutcast stations, visit www.shoutcast.com, the UI there hasn't been touched since 1999, so i'm sure you'll find it useful.
I don't like the fact that I cannot do streaming video without the system hanging on 3 different systems from the Online Services Menu.

Why should we use a different browser when it find the way it was built in to begin with.


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It didnt WIPE our your playlists, it simply didnt copy them over.. Simply copy c:\program files\winamp\ml\* to your \~user\winamp\ml directory.

When Toyota releases the 2006 model of a Tundra. Do you go back with your 2002 Prerunner and demand your money back?

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Re: Installer size ?

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I disagree Koopa, in an age of highspeed give me give me...
I don't think installer or application size is an issue any more...

I like the idea of using open source as code for a built-in web browser...no royalties and no headaches

VastOne

In a world without walls or fences, who needs Windows or Gates !

Hey doesn't AOL own Netscape? They own a browser that isn't IE. IE so full of bugs and security holes. ActiveX is a security risk and most offices that I have been in have ActiveX turned off by default.

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Old 3rd March 2006, 17:56   #248
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I'm not getting upset at all, and I don't resent being referred to as smartypants.
It's certainly better than being called a moron anyway ;-) :/

No, winamp doesn't require any special IE settings, but (as already explained about 10 times) if you disable ActiveX and/or Javascript for the Internet zone and don't add *.winamp.com to the Trusted Zone, then there's no shoutcast browser for you (likewise if you use some external ScriptBlocking app but don't configure it to allow scripts from winamp.com).

The only ActiveX component we use is native IE Microsoft.XMLDOM to parse the XML.
The language used is AJAX (Asynchronized Javascript and XML).
So yeah, if you disable or externally block ActiveX and/or Javascript without allowing it for winamp.com, then it won't work.

The current slowness issue is winamp.com server related, and is being resolved as we speak. It'll be just as slow at the moment with the old Online Media module, because it also pulls the data from the same servers (sure, it might be a bit faster due to the fact that it only pulls a fraction of the full data compared to the new Online Services).
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Old 3rd March 2006, 18:07   #249
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It didnt WIPE our your playlist, it simply didnt copy them over.. Simply copy c:\program files\winamp\ml\* to your \~user\winamp\ml directory.

When Toyota releases the 2006 model of a Tundra. Do you go back with your 2002 Prerunner and demand your money back?
1) The were gone only about 10 of the playlists existed in the ml directory that is were I looked for them in the first place.

2) When Toyota releases a new car, you old Toyota vehicle is not no longer usable, it is perfectly usable. You still drive your old Toyota and all of the features of the old car are sill usable. The upgrades to the new Toyota doesn't affect the use of the old Toyota. You aren't doing a major release, you are doing a maintence release. By making SHOUTcast not available to old versions that are still with in the major release 5.xxx, you are now making your product unusable and not living up to what it is advertised to do. If you were to change the major release number to say 6.xxx then that would be a different story.

3) That still doesn't explain why I lost the registration number (thankfully I still had it and there are ways to recover)

4) That still doesn't explain why any of the streaming video within AOL Video, SHOUTCast Video, and WinAmp Video locks 3 different systems up. I click on the video and WinAmp display the retrieving playlist info then hangs with that screen there and the system slows down to a craw and quite a few times I have to hit the reset button. All sytems are running Windows XP with 512 meg of RAM, 2 are P4's operating at 2.1 gig and the 3rd is AMD 2200+. These types of video's play just fine on Winamp 5.1111

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Fine, we'll call the next release 6.0

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Old 3rd March 2006, 18:21   #251
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BUT BUT BUT the number 6 isn't anything like number 5!!!, what was wrong with 5 anyhow, it's just not fair, if you move to use 6, well that's it, I'll send back my beta team reg key and demand you give me some kind of refund for it!!!111!!@!!@

Six indeed....

/now, if you were to go to 4 that would be a true revolution
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@ George Worley

You sound like you've got some major issues there, but alas, none that anyone else can reproduce.

Sure, we know about the issue with the new multi-user option not automatically importing/copying over the old shared settings & database. This is already fixed for the forthcoming 5.21.
However, we certainly can't reproduce any issues where files are deleted from the old database. If your old plugins\gen_ml.ini and plugins\ml > database and playlists aren't still there in the program files folder, then this issue has not been caused by the winamp installer, because it simply doesn't delete any of those files whatsoever.

You can simply delete program files\winamp\paths.ini (or disable it by renaming it to eg. paths.ini.off) and all the original settings and database will be restored. If it isn't, then it's not our bug, and you should probably be posting in tech support instead.


Re: pro registration key
The registration key is stored in the registry at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Nullsoft\Winamp

The installer does not overwrite or delete that key on upgrades. Though if you uninstalled Winamp first, then the uninstaller might well delete it, as you'd expect any uninstaller to do when it cleans up after itself.


Re: Streaming Videos

The only reason we can think of for that happening is if you unchecked support for WMA/WMV/ASF in the installer options. All the video streams are in WMV format now (whereas the old ones were in NSV format). The video streams work perfectly fine for everyone on the dev team, beta list, and the vast majority of forumers. Just because they don't seem to work for you doesn't mean that it's a bug and they don't work for everyone else.
Also note that the older versions of Winamp don't have support for these type of WMV video streams, so once all the old NSV content is wiped, then there'll only be shoutcast tv and radio left in the old versions which work (we aren't going to take that away from anyone). If you want the free video streams though, then as always, you need to be using the latest version.
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