Old 6th June 2015, 03:34   #1
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Best crossfade settings

What's your best crossfade settings for gapless radio type crossfade?
Best I have come up with so far is..
Buffer at max 20,000ms
Remove silence at -25db
End of song fade at 500ms

Any other tips to improve?

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Old 6th June 2015, 16:48   #2
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A 20 second buffer for a half second end of song fade! That's 10 times larger than the default; I assume you are aware of the pros and cons when using large buffers.

Sounds like you may have excessive amounts of silence at the end and/or beginning of your files. I mostly still use mp3s and use "mp3Trim" (http://www.mptrim.com/) to remove most (or all) of the beginning/ending silence from mp3s I don't make myself (during my vetting processing). I use other apps/utilities (e.g. Audacity, Sound Editor Deluxe, etc.) to clip the beginning/ending silence from wav files before converting them to non-mp3 file formats. This lets me avoid silence issues during gapless playback and when crossfading.

I have the mp3Trim Pro version to take advantage of it's other features, but I think the free version allows batch processing for removing silence. If you try this, use file copies until you get the silence detection and removal options set up correctly for your needs. You can also use mp3Trim to add silence, if that is needed for certain situations (e.g. making CDs with less than the standard 2 second gap between songs).


When crossfading with Winamp's DirectSound output plug-in, I set up the main buffer a half second larger than the width of the crossfade and disable silence detection. Over the years, I've put together various playlists that each work well with different amounts of crossfading. This lets me setup the crossfade for a particular playlist before I load it. Trying to change the amount of crossfade 'on-the-fly' has not worked well, for me. When doing live mixing for a party, I use DJ software (which is easier for me than using Winamp's 3rd party cueing support).

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Old 6th June 2015, 23:54   #3
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yep I use mp3trim pro also on all tracks.
Will try with silence off but it was not as good.

No probs with buffer cons.
What probs should i get?

Reason I use big buffer is to give it lots of time ahead.
Reason I use silence remover at that setting is to crossfade when signal is low, not so much to remove silence.

ps can you look on your mp3pro settings if you have auto detect silence (not silence2) when opening file on or off?
It is on the Silence tab as mine is off.

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Old 7th June 2015, 00:43   #4
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your theory did not work for me unfort. I HAD to have silence removal ON. And the buffer was not enough even if I went to 3000ms with 500ms at end of song.
I am willing to try any settings that give better crossfades.
Any help appreciated. Will test any advice given, thanks.

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Old 7th June 2015, 02:26   #5
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yep I use mp3trim pro also on all tracks.
Will try with silence off but it was not as good.

No probs with buffer cons.
What probs should i get?

Reason I use big buffer is to give it lots of time ahead.
Reason I use silence remover at that setting is to crossfade when signal is low, not so much to remove silence.

ps can you look on your mp3pro settings if you have auto detect silence (not silence2) when opening file on or off?
It is on the Silence tab as mine is off.
Yeah, things get tricky when there are low entries and/or exits, instead of excessive silence. Bottom line, the 'right' crossfade mostly depends on the songs being played. SqrSoft allows for more 'tweaking', but Winamp's default is all that's needed for the basics, imo.

I often use a DSP plug-in and my main issue with large buffers is that they delay hearing the effect of changes, thus making adjustments more tedious to accomplish.

I also have that 'auto detect' option disabled. I'm still using version 1.81. I see that there is a 2.x version now; wonder if I'll have to pay again to upgrade or even if I should (since what I have does what I want).

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Old 7th June 2015, 02:31   #6
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Thanks for that. I use Pro version so seems it uses Silence 2 area, same as you.
It's a great tool.
I also use File Renamer 2000 which is not made any more.
And Mp3 Tag Studio 3 also not made any more. They all work like a dream.

Even with the buffer as large as it is, it is still much more responsive than sqr. But not as accurate. But I also hear quite a difference in sound as I think sqr uses some sort of sound engine...
From the About Box of sqr...

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I made this module because I needed a configurable cross-fade, so here it is!
The sound playback engine is grabbed from the MX-Pro Digital Mixer, a cool mixing player that I'm developing, and has a few changes to make it work with Winamp.
The cross-fading engine is not that fast, but it´s the faster I get.
If you'd like to use this module for another player that supports output plug-ins, please send your requests, the source code is not available in this version, sorry :-(
This Module is dedicated to Cecilia, and all my friends.
There is a Spanish language version of this module, si lo quieres bajalo de mi página web!
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Mp3 Tag Studio 3 was a great app. In some ways it was better than Mp3tag, it let you change flags and tags. By the time I decided to buy it, it was too late.

Never ran across File Renamer 2000, but I've never had a need for a bulk renamer.

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I use File renamer to get rid of all the junk in file names for mp3's. Spaces hyphen underscores etc and remove unwanted bits of text eg website address or similar.
PM me if interested in any of these.

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PM me if interested in any of these.
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind.

I rarely download individual files anymore and I hate the digital rights restrictions. Now when looking for new stuff (that I don't own) to add to my collection, I capture high quality streams as wav files. Then I clean them up (if necessary) before converting to other formats and adding tags. It's a more time consuming process, but it works for me. It's an enjoyable way to kill a few hours when things get slow.

Due to when I worked as a commercial radio DJ, I can still get promotional copies of a lot of stuff. But, I feel it's important to keep buying stuff on occasion. To keep the ball rolling and support the artists I really enjoy (even though most of the money doesn't get to them).

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Old 7th June 2015, 04:10   #10
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yep very good points.
going to concerts helps too as I believe that's where most bands these days make their money

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Old 7th June 2015, 09:24   #11
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A good question that I tried to solve a long time ago.
My collection is "eclectic" and ever growing, and I tend to usually listen to all of it on random.

For some reason 12 seconds seems to work very well. No other adjustments made other than enabling the silence removal.

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Old 8th June 2015, 03:58   #12
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Well I have tweaked a just a little more and seems as good as I had before, so pretty happy.
Current settings are
Buffer at max 20,000ms
Remove silence at -23db
End of song fade at 500ms
Seek at 2000ms (This give me a less intrusive fast forward so punters don't hear it so abruptly)

Beautiful crossfades...!

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a beatmixing plugin would be best, but i just crossfade at 1 or 2 seconds, works well enough for me.

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There's a pretty cool little DSP for Foobar called "Skip Silence" with configurable minimum silence duration before activation and detection threshold. Would love to have something like this in Winamp!
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i'm not sure, but i think some plugins in foobar and media monkey work in winamp and vice versa.

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