Old 10th November 2003, 08:49   #161
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I think DrO is going to implement the option for the J window to be skinned.
soon i hope

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well, i think it still needs to have some sort of indication of what's in the queue
that's already started to be worked on - i'm looking at a few ideas on how best to implement it

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ok so people know i've done a few bits last night (had the weekend away - first time in months). now i've got code setup to use custom formatting of an enqueued file - just need to get it integrated so that should be cool.

also altered the config options on the prefs page which should be finished once i've got a few 'issues' fixed (lets just say hacking things to look as i want ) - makes it easier for me to add in more than one config pages as needed (how we love the options).

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"Enable multiple enqueue"
going default in the next release.

it'll be a few days before the next version since i want to get it to a 1.0 release state ie it will fully work just for the jump dialog with customised displays and all that. also i want to get a basic help/info file to go with it (just to help noobs like we all were once)

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Old 10th November 2003, 13:22   #162
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I just read your post about the multiple playlist support plugin, that you are planning. will this be a complete new one, or will this be integrated into the current one as an "ultimate playlist enhancer"? *g*

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it'll be a few days before the next version since i want to get it to a 1.0 release state
although we wouldn't care if an interim test plugin would be leaked

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also i want to get a basic help/info file to go with
help files can be added if the plugin is rtm (he, he). it should have no priority at the moment.


Today I tested the influence of your plugin on the winamp shuffle behaviour. Winamp 2's shuffle behaviour is different from winamp3's random behaviour, it creates an invisible randomized playlist after clicking on one song (and shuffle is turned on). Winamp will play all songs randomly but without repeats. The so called "shuffle table" is re-made on any playlist change or double-click.

I chose a playlist consisting of 7 tracks.
I turn on shuffle. WA plays (the following numbers are the numbers of the track currently playing, so #4 is the 4th track in my PL):

5137246|(here the table ends and a new one is created, you see, no repeats)|3217564|52...

everything is fine. now I chose to influence the playlis by enqueuing songs by pressing "J". Enqueued songs are bold:
3471426|1543267|4532761|5347216|4527361|...

You can see: the plugin simply overwrites one number in the "shuffle table" and replaces it with number 4. instead of playing 5 (which it probably would have done without enqueuing the song), the number 4 was in the original table too, therefore it is played twice. after seven songs a new shuffle table is created.

More tests: 3345624|3172546|1352764|... (1, 7 skipped, 3 and 4 played twice)
4721251|7254361|5742163|... (3, 6 skipped, 1 and 2 played twice)
1564372|1647523|4627513...(none skipped, none played twice, luckily you hit the numbers with your enwqueued songs, therefore the original table was 1564372, or 4561372)

Conclusion: The current behaviour is not optimal: by enqueueing songs some songs are skipped and others can get played twice. The optimal solution would be that no songs are overwritten and that enqueued songs are removed from the shuffle table. But at least the shuffle table is not reset when enqueueing songs. so songs that were played before enqueuing some songs don't get repeated.

In practice, the bad behaviour will show up only in short playlists. If you have 500 songs in your playlist and enqueue 5 songs, the worst that can be is that 3-5 songs get skipped and 3-5 songs are repeated. if the shuffle table would be reset, the bad behaviour would be MUCH worse.

I don't know if this issue can be fixed, because that would require knowledge where the shuffle table is stored and it's certainly not easy to influence it.
Maybe Ryan Geiss could help?

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Old 10th November 2003, 13:53   #163
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it's going to be a totally new plugin but i'm going to incorporate a lot of the code from this plugin ie for the enqueue into it and the config system that i'm adding in for the next build.

about the shuffle thing, i was aware that i was breaking the list - i just override the song to be played next so i'll have a look at adding in a new internal queue that will keep track of the files that i override so i then play them once the queue has been finished (handling stops, etc to work correctly as winamp does)

cheers for pointing it out and i'll look at getting it sorted out

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Old 11th November 2003, 16:40   #164
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Well, hopefully this new PL plugin is not going to slow down or even cease the development of this shuffle/enqueue gem.

Any news to report on this front, DrO?

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Old 11th November 2003, 16:46   #165
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check here i think that should answer your question

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Old 12th November 2003, 12:40   #166
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what do you think?

when viewing the queue options, would people want to be able to view the queued list on the jump to file dialog or just the first song in the list as it currently does?

what i mean is i'm considering putting a drop down list in that is shown if you click on the existing queue information (only if there is an enqueue list).

as i'm going to do it there will be a view of the queue list on the preferences page (and options to manage it) but i'm wondering what the views are for an 'on the dialog' option.

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Old 12th November 2003, 16:18   #167
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My 2 cents.

Sounds like a very good idea to me. So you can keep track of which songs are enqueued. It would be even more helpful to keep track of them than queuemarking them in the list. if you had to look for queuemarks in a 500+ songs list,...

great would be the possibility to change the queueorder...

what's the current plugin state? any new things implemented?

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Old 12th November 2003, 16:35   #168
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great would be the possibility to change the queueorder...
that's not to hard to do + i need to get the list moving code sorted (for the playlist plugin) so that's high on development for tonight.

current state of things is that i need to alter the handling of the enqueue list so that it's a bit neater - make the single option just a forced one item list (since the multiple list code is nicer and handles things better).

as for the queuemarking i intend to get that done tonight - the formatting code is all there at the moment, just need to use it now
the fun bit is ensuring that it will work correctly when the queue is moved around so the list will display correctly.

with the formatting i've gone for the following syntax options:

%N - files enqueued position
%T - shows the total number in the queue
%S - uses the files playlist title (as shown in the dialog normally)

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<<%N>> '%S' would display as <<3>> 'blah blah - blah'

there will be some sort of version up during the weekend (a few things have come up which have altered my schedule on things slightly )

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Old 12th November 2003, 23:19   #169
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Old 13th November 2003, 08:59   #170
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@lunarboy1: cheers, also i've taken your suggestion on board about the cancel button - now shows as 'Close'

well there's now an extra page on the prefs page for 'Enqueue management' which will show the current enqueue list (multiple list only at the moment), updating if files are added / removed from the list as needed (damn, i let that little feature out of the bag )

also i've fixed a few internal things to ensure consistancy in list management, etc.

as well the 'alt+click' option will correctly add files to the enqueue list - no more dummy message. also it will query you if you are using the single list mode if you want to have multiple list support enabled when using it.

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Old 13th November 2003, 13:31   #171
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as there is no test plugin...

some questions out of pure curiosity?

- Jump to button already in the dialog?
- Options Button there?
- Dialog skinned?
- Shuffle table problem?
- queuemarking in PL?

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Old 13th November 2003, 13:53   #172
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as there is no test plugin...
i would love to give a test version but the company have a block on uploading files so i've got to wait till the weekend to get to a machine i can use properly (it annoys me that but i've no other way to get around it at the moment)


"Jump to button already in the dialog?" - adding tonight along with a fix for the menu item related to it

"Options Button there?" - should be added tonight i hope

i'm still working on altering the layout as was discussed a few pages back (the check-box options i think i was going to go for to decide the action of the 'function' button - text altered to the mode in use )

"Dialog skinned?" - put that on low priority to get a few pther parts fixed (may look at that tomorrow night)

"Shuffle table problem?" - intend to add that in tonight after i've finished updating the enqueue list code all over to the multiple list code (need that done otherwise a single list won't show on the queue page)

"queuemarking in PL?" - not for a while, still need to finish the code handling that for the jump dialog before i can use it in the playlist


as a note, with the basic code i've got done for the queuemarking on the dialog it will replace the queue position if the file is added multiple times to the queue.

i'm still to determine how to handle this best so that either the first position is shown or there's an indicator to show it has been enqueued multiple times
e.g.
if the display is <<4>> blah song and then it's added as song 8 in the queue then it could be displayed as <<4*>> blah song or something like that - inspiration will come to me

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Old 13th November 2003, 13:54   #173
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as there is no test plugin...
errr..http://forums.winamp.com/attachment....postid=1155007

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Old 13th November 2003, 14:02   #174
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@sanosuke: amano is aware of that link (is the current 'release') but the asking is for a development build to see how things are going (i don't blame amano for asking )

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Old 13th November 2003, 14:07   #175
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err...

sanosuke, I was testing the 0.9a version just a few posts above. I was just asking for a current state report...

@darren:
you are right, skinned dialog and queuemarking should not be top of the list. these are just visual stuff...

I hope you can find a solution for the shuffle table problem, because this is really an issue for short PLs.

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err...

sanosuke, do you read posts before posting? otherwise you would have noticed, that I was testing the 0.9a version just a few posts above. I want a current state plugin to test...
well i guess i miss understood your reply, and maybe i did not see your ealiry replies.

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I hope you can find a solution for the shuffle table problem, because this is really an issue for short PLs.
i've already worked out what i have to do for that

i need to keep a track of the song(s) that winamp was going to play if shuffle is on and there are files in the queue to be played.

once the queue list has been played through then the file(s) that were replaced need to be played - this means i need to keep a second list of songs that winamp was going to play -> clearing it when the shuffle table is changed.

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Old 13th November 2003, 15:19   #178
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but then all enqueued songs would still be played twice.

see my example above:
original shuffle table: 4763251|...
current state: 4721251|... here 3 and 6 are skipped and 1 and 2 are played twice.

With your idea, it would keep track of 3 and 6 and these would be played afterwards:
DrO's Plan: 4721251|63|...

Here no songs are skipped, but still 2 songs are played twice. ideally you should keep track of the songs overwritten and play them afterwards AND remove those enqueued songs after they have been played from the shuffle table (if that's possible). so it would be:

ideally: 47215|63|...,
with 6 and 3 beeing played afterwards and 2 and 1 beeing removed from the shuffle table after beeing enqueued AND played.

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oops, i should read things a bit more thoroughly at times (thanks for the clarification edit )

i see what you mean, that shouldn't be too bad to alter what i was intending on doing to the list.

just create the list of files replaced, play on the end but keep a track of the files that were enqueued and jump to the next song in the list if an enqueued file appears.

after that then it is fine for the file to re-appear in the list
(doing it like that should even correctly handle duplicate queue entries replacing different files i should think)

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Old 13th November 2003, 15:44   #180
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Yes, that sounds fine. Thanks for beeing so close to the community.

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Thanks for beeing so close to the community.
the community has helped me over the last few years (when i was a silent watcher) and i've got a chance now to give something back so i really don't mind.

even i'm using the plugin in normal use and i didn't realise how much i needed the enqueuing ability. just multiple playlists and the winamp3/wasabi player style sidecar from PLex and i'll be sorted for my needs

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Old 13th November 2003, 15:54   #182
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...but keep a track of the files that were enqueued and jump to the next song in the list if an enqueued file appears.
yes. but I would keep track of all files that were once enqueued AND Played.
so if I enqueued a file and removed it from the enqueue list before it was played (if this will be possible), it would be played later on. you can clear this when the shuffle table is changed.

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Old 13th November 2003, 15:58   #183
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speedy

i've already taken the removal into account with the lists. the list i store was only going to be of files that have been queued and played - forgot to put that.

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Old 13th November 2003, 16:05   #184
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OK, hope this will make it into 1.0!
Then it's already perfect, the things left are goodies.

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last suggestion attack for today:

(can't stop thinking about that again 8) )

Make sure, that an already enqueued and played song can be enqueued and played AGAIN without being skipped. So that manually enqueuing is an exception from the song skipping as proposed above.

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it will be in the 1.0 release
(the next version will be a high v0.9x release and depending on feedback / what is found there may be a pre v1.0 release i should think)

sorry but i'm not sure what you mean by the last post suggestion (i wouldn't call it an attack )

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you told that you might skip a track once it was enqueued and played before.

But I would like to do the following:

I shuffle through my fav. playlist.

my sister comes in, I say :"hey listen to this new song, I -umm- got today."

The song is played, my sister likes it and leaves (nice story isn't it).

The song won't be played automatically again (because it is skipped when shuffle choses it), until every other song in the PL is played and a new shuffle table is created (at least once you get this implemented).

But then my mother comes in and I say "Wait listen to my new song". I want to be able to enqueue and play this song again

(so make sure it is still enqueue- and playable although this song was enqueued and played once already).

so if 4763251|... is the orginal shuffle table this should be possible:
426251|73|...

so 7 and 3 are overwritten by my choice "song 2" and are played afterwards.
"song 2" as beeing originally the 5th song in the table gets skipped. but make sure I can force "song 2" to get played a second time manually (without beeing skipped).

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i love stories!

that makes sense seeing the queue pattern now, thanks. yeah it should be fine to do that and is what i was intending for the code to do since there will never be a block on enqueuing files.

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GREAT. I let you go for today
(and leave you in front of your screen) )

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i'll see what i can get done tonight (girlfriend wants to meet up tonight so that may put a hold on getting it done )
otherwise i'll get most done tomorrow night especially for the shuffle parts and then a test release the day after.

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yes!!! my request was added! I have added my idea to a masterpiece! wheee! i feel so special!

Keep up the good work... any news on the new playlist plug-in you're making? I'm really too lazy to find the thread, plus some people might not know about it here...

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yes!!! my request was added! I have added my idea to a masterpiece! wheee! i feel so special!
@lunarboy1: if it's good it'll get in, i'm nice like that. also signatures are good aren't they

only got half hour on this last night so i fixed a few issues with the new config system so it will now show correctly whereever the window is opened (basically this involved the hacking of a property sheet window so it will work as a child dialog on the preferences page).

so tonight i'll get work done on the shuffle handling - good observation by amano that one!

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Thanky a lot. Maybe the Jump to Button can be implemented too. Then the shuffle behaviour and the J-dialog are finished.

All other things are goodies.

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[off topic] he he, you posted right this time [/off topic]

The button should be in for the release tomorrow (got to move buttons around a bit though) - will have a think tonight before it comes out for the simplest option i think

Goodies are good + a lot of those are related to internal parts so they need to be done anyway

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The button should be in for the release tomorrow
Whoohoo, I am so excited! A new release is coming...

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i don't know how complete it is going to be though but it will at least show things as they stand

now i'm off to code like a banshee (he he i love that phrase from my other thread )

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new version

here's the latest version of the jtf plugin

fixed a lot of things and added more to it, yay

(unfortunately proper shuffle handling hasn't made it into this version - didn't finish it and i would rather release a fully working verison than a buggy one)

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Hey

Thx for your work on these plugins, really nice goin'
However, i've got problems with the new JTFE version... it isn't workin in my Winamp (previous version just fine)
The searchwindow starts, and disappears. Pressing J another time does nothing.
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