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Old 19th March 2005, 16:40   #161
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as for the comment, it's just the general thing for things like that (look at the comments about the UK Lang Pack for a similar sort of thing )
Doesn't make it right though, does it? As far as I'm concerned, dan surf and Ike Eisenhower can blow it out their asses with their trashy reviews. IMHO they should have posted their malcontent in the forums instead of referring to the plugin as "rubbish" and "big disappointment". They are disuading others from even trying the plugin.
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afaik, changes to it, i think it'd need more time put in than's available (but i could be wrong) but i agree, an edit feature would be good for it.
Ah hell... give ME access to the server and I guarantee that I can revise the script in very short order to allow for plugin author/ reviewer edits/ comments/ replies -whatever. But of course I would think that'll probably never happen, unfortunately.
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Old 19th March 2005, 16:48   #162
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yeah it's not right but a lot of the time it's due to people being uninformed about things (as was especially the case with the language pack one).

with this one, things are tricky since there are so many different possibilities on how streams, etc are implemented and potentially handled (just look at ujay's issues at times with the association handling) that i knew once fully public there would be such comments made. that was actually the reason why i made the license page in the installer into a general info page on the plugin to hopefully help in the majority of cases. now for all i know Brian may have emailed me about it (at work at the moment and i forgot to kill my email client so i can't check via webmail). unfortunately in most cases people won't follow the issues they experience and so nothing can be done to fix them tis sad but unfortunately that's how it goes.

but at the end of it, we know the plugin does work well and that it's often a simple system issue on the end user's machine that is causing the issues (damn you WMP )

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Old 19th March 2005, 16:48   #163
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Sounds like the guy hasn't got his browser set up correctly, probably nothing to do with the plugin.

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Old 19th March 2005, 17:12   #164
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Sounds like the guy hasn't got his browser set up correctly, probably nothing to do with the plugin.
You are most likely correct, UJ. And if Brian Morrison had simply posted here BEFORE writing his review, his problem could have been rectified in short order. THEN he could have gone and posted a favorable review.

[START JUSTIFIABLE RANT]

Give me access to the server and as I said, I'll revise the script in short order. It's total bullcrap if the attitude is "time will not allow" for revisions to scripting, or even simple changes at Winamp.com. And it takes WAY too long for other site changes to be made as well, as evidenced each time new releases come out and the Winamp.com site isn't updated for days on end. I think it was over a week before the download page at the site was updated to reflect the last 5.08e release. Hell!! DJ Egg notified them AGES ago that the download page mistakingly states that Lite supports WMA when in fact it doesn't. And it STILL says it does!!! What does it take? 30 seconds tops to make the proper change? And then WE have to deal with it when people come complaining in the forums that their WMA's won't play because they downloaded Lite, due to the fact that it states at the download page that WMA is supported.

Bullcrap. Utter bullcrap. Even simple changes aren't made to the site when they should be, let alone scripting changes. It's a freakin' lost cause.

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Old 19th March 2005, 22:28   #165
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I'm sorry for my previous ranting but I had to vent at the time. Very unlike me. I apologize.

@ DJ Egg...

I love the fact that you submitted a review that corrected Brian Morrison, with an explanation and a link. So, KUDOS to you for that!!

But the URL you included of http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1617880#post1617880 "broke" the table on this page, but not on this one. LOL.
As soon as somebody else submits another review, the page will "unbreak" as yours is replaced (I'll personally submit a review as Nunzio Fartalone shortly).

Evidently URL's do not get parsed because of the way the current script is authored. Another thing I can EASILY change if I had access to the server and the script (but I won't start again on my rant - I promise )
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Old 19th March 2005, 23:22   #166
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Yup, winamp.com is to websites what the Dudley Boys are to wrestling...
always breaking tables.
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Old 19th March 2005, 23:31   #167
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LOL. I love your teeny-dot Googled Dudley Boys link.
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Old 20th March 2005, 00:45   #168
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Nunz: nothing wrong with a rant every now and then since we are all human and can't act like robots all the time

but i see 100% where you're coming from and really something should be done about the deficencies with the system. from how i've seen things over the years, Winamp has really been about the community around the player from the skinners to the plugin devs, etc which in general have balanced out other issues. now we're in a state where i think working with that community is even more important to do since without it what's the point of the player if no one wants to use it.

i'm not too sure how we [as a community] can do this to get things sorted due to certain beuracracies that exist behind the scenes ie the AOL influence which yes provides the base infrastructure but restricts things as well (remember the thread from Steve on what things about Winamp.com needed to be fixed/improved and yes some things did but a fair amount wasn't). I think that as long as we [the community] can prove that we will do these changes properly (which i don't doubt at all for the people i know that can and would help out) then there really shouldn't be any problems. a lot of us are doing a lot as it is for free be it Tech Support to plugin development to the skinners and those who review the predominately good work that is put out by those who use and want to see our community grow. so money isn't ideally an issue (though for somethings at least some form of payment is deserved i think like forum and website (if it was to happen) updates.

now i've probably rambled on and made no sense but i think that really the level of contact between us [the community] and the powers that be needs to be tighter, since without us there is effectively no need for them, it's a bit like The Matrix really Anyway we're getting really off topic now, may split this whole discussion into the 'Playlist Loader Rant' thread tomorrow and just leave a post in here refering to it but it's late and i've a warm bed to go to now

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Old 20th March 2005, 20:26   #169
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...and now for direct mms:// protocol support

The 'royal regmeister extraordinaire' strikes again

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Old 20th March 2005, 23:13   #170
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Playlist Loader v0.9.7.5 (formerly known as B4S Playlist Loader)
  • Implemented direct mms:// handling (select mms:// in the filetypes list to override WMP!)
  • Tidied up registry handling to correctly free all handles
  • Improved /.wma addition to adapt if '/' is the last character or not
get v0.9.7.5

Now Nunzio gave me three thumbs up last time, not sure how he'll cope with direct mms link handling New build will be put through to Winamp.com in a bit as well Rock on, and bye bye WMP for me now 100%

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Old 21st March 2005, 02:09   #171
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Now Nunzio gave me three thumbs up last time, not sure how he'll cope with direct mms link handling
Awesome! Total Perfection!

5 thumbs up !!
6 stars !!! (screw that 5 star limit at Winamp.com)
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Old 21st March 2005, 07:01   #172
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could you tell me what im doing wrong. installed 975 ,selected all audio files in file types http://www.airamericaradio.com/weblogs/news/ trying to listen to this wmp stream.
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Old 21st March 2005, 07:50   #173
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Works fine here.

When I click on the Listen Live - WMP .asx link, it correctly parses the asx and adds the following url into the Winamp playlist:

mms://wms-rbn-sea06.rbn.com/airam/airam/wmlive/live.asf?=.wma/.wma

Actually, I'm not sure why it's adding /.wma to the end, cos the url already ends with ?=.wma

But it works both ways anyway.

Well, actually, when I save the asx to HDD, the actual href is:
mms://wms-rbn-sea07.rbn.com/airam/airam/wmlive/live.asf

Hmm, why's it adding ?=.wma/.wma to the end? Heh.
I'm pretty certain that it's meant to just parse that type of url as:
mms://wms-rbn-sea07.rbn.com/airam/airam/wmlive/live.asf?=.wma

Funny thing is that they all work for this particular stream anyway.


What are you doing wrong?
Not reading the previous posts and providing all the requested information
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Old 21st March 2005, 09:09   #174
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that's strange since it shouldn't be adding a /.wma if there is a .wma on the end already. i'll try and fix this and get a 0.9.7.6 build out for tonight (heh, i suck at times)

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Old 21st March 2005, 12:48   #175
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Playlist Loader v0.9.7.6 (formerly known as B4S Playlist Loader)
  • Fixed mms:// handling issues (due to a double parsing of the stream url)
  • Improved external mms:// parsing to use the ASX filetype parser
get v0.9.7.6

This should fix the mms:// issues now i hope and handle as it does for ones in asx based files (hopefully and not bad for a quick trip home in my lunch break)

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Old 21st March 2005, 14:20   #176
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Not much time to look at the moment, I'm trying to do ten things at once this afternoon

If it's any help the additional /.wma only gets added if Winamp is already open.

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@billy. If you are using Firefox, I'm finding that disabling the ASX Plugin is only working on a session by session basis. May be there is some other setting I need to make.

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Old 21st March 2005, 15:04   #177
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You're saying that the WiMP ASX plugin keeps re-enabling itself?
Hmm, that's weird. It doesn't happen here.
Did you also try:
Tools > Options > Downloads > ASX > Change Action:
Open them in this application > Change > browse to Winamp.exe
(or WampEnq.exe if you use it).


Oh, and confirmation that 0.9.7.6 fixes the mms://..../stream.asf double parsing issue
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Old 21st March 2005, 15:37   #178
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Oh, and confirmation that 0.9.7.6 fixes the mms://..../stream.asf double parsing issue
yay, can't believe we missed it in testing tho.., oh well it's fixed now so that's the main thing

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Old 21st March 2005, 18:07   #179
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You're saying that the WiMP ASX plugin keeps re-enabling itself?
Hmm, that's weird. It doesn't happen here.
Did you also try:
Tools > Options > Downloads > ASX > Change Action:
Open them in this application > Change > browse to Winamp.exe
(or WampEnq.exe if you use it).
Yeah have that set up. Whenever I disable ASX plugin eveything's fine. I look back in the settings and find ASX has dissappeaed from the list. It stays like that until I restart Firefox when it has returned to the list and is enabled. Just had a look on my other machine and it doesn't happen there. Disable the plugin and it stays in the list but unticked.
Maybe some Explorer or registry wierdness, I'm having trouble getting some other settings to 'stick' it seems.

Are you suggesting I run the Reg fix in the WampEnq link ?

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Old 21st March 2005, 18:58   #180
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Nah, it's not a Reg fix.
All it does is it just adds the relevant entries for WampEnq.exe
so you don't need to install the Powerplayer plugin to get/use WampEnq.exe
(WampEnq.exe makes Winamp "Enqueue & Play", rather than just one or the other).
In other words, it's got nothing to do with your problem, or the fix for it.

It sounds more to me like your Firefox config files are read-only.
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox
C:\Documents and Settings\(username)\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox

Right click those folders, uncheck Read-Only
Click OK
Then in the pop-up message box, checkmark:
"Apply changes to this folder, subfolders and files"
Click OK

If the problem persists, then I'm not rightly sure what's going on there, heh.
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Old 23rd March 2005, 13:18   #181
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Works fine here.

When I click on the Listen Live - WMP .asx link, it correctly parses the asx and adds the following url into the Winamp playlist:
When I try to play the following link with "Play URL", Winamp crashes:

http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=air...s?mswmext=.asx

version 9.7.6
all types associated with winamp
winxp home

It works when I click on the link from firefox.


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Old 23rd March 2005, 13:28   #182
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what's the crash report that you get? and does it happen everytime when you do it via the dialog?

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Old 23rd March 2005, 14:22   #183
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@noonan - Think that is a reference to the playlist not the playlist itself. You'll need to drag and drop or copy and paste into your browser(not Winamp) to get it to play/save the actual playlist.

@ DrO - ModName = ntdll.dll. Offset = 00001010. crashes everytime here.

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Old 23rd March 2005, 18:34   #184
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what's the crash report that you get? and does it happen everytime when you do it via the dialog?

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Is this what you need?

noonan

callstack and disassembly on winxp-pro

77F5B294 ja 77F5B262
77F5B296 int 3
77F5B297 int 3
77F5B298 int 3
77F5B299 int 3
77F5B29A int 3
77F5B29B int 3
77F5B29C int 3
77F5B29D int 3
77F5B29E int 3
77F5B29F int 3
77F5B2A0 mov ecx,dword ptr fs:[18h]
77F5B2A7 mov edx,dword ptr [esp+4]

>>>>>>>>> 77F5B2AB cmp dword ptr [edx+14h],0

77F5B2AF jne 77F5B300
77F5B2B1 lock inc dword ptr [edx+4]
77F5B2B5 jne 77F5B2D0
77F5B2B7 mov eax,dword ptr [ecx+24h]
77F5B2BA mov dword ptr [edx+0Ch],eax
77F5B2BD mov dword ptr [edx+8],1
77F5B2C4 xor eax,eax
77F5B2C6 ret 4
77F5B2C9 lea esp,[esp]
77F5B2D0 mov eax,dword ptr [ecx+24h]
77F5B2D3 cmp dword ptr [edx+0Ch],eax
77F5B2D6 jne 77F5B2E0
77F5B2D8 inc dword ptr [edx+8]
77F5B2DB xor eax,eax
77F5B2DD ret 4
77F5B2E0 push edx


> ntdll.dll!77f5b2ab()
msvcrt.dll!77c3942d()
msvcrt.dll!77c3e54c()
gen_b4s2m3u.dll!01003757()
user32.dll!77d4add4()
gen_hotkeys.dll!01a3218e()
user32.dll!77d486cb()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d487e2()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d4aafa()
user32.dll!77d4add4()
gen_jumpex.dll!01a4d3e3()
user32.dll!77d486cb()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d487e2()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
gen_ff.dll!0118631f()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d4aafa()
user32.dll!77d4add4()
gen_ml.dll!01ab0d34()
gen_ff.dll!011d9952()
user32.dll!77d486cb()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d487e2()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d4aafa()
user32.dll!77d4add4()
gen_hotkeys.dll!01a3218e()
user32.dll!77d486cb()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d487e2()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d4aafa()
user32.dll!77d4add4()
gen_jumpex.dll!01a4d3e3()
user32.dll!77d486cb()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d487e2()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d4aafa()
user32.dll!77d4add4()
gen_ml.dll!01ab0d34()
user32.dll!77d486cb()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d487e2()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
ntdll.dll!77f5980f()
ntdll.dll!77f5982f()
kernel32.dll!77e70622()
kernel32.dll!77e7062a()
kernel32.dll!77e7062a()
comctl32.dll!7197c267()
comctl32.dll!719a9d6f()
comctl32.dll!7197e2c7()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d486cb()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d487e2()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d4a37b()
user32.dll!77d4a3e3()
comctl32.dll!71979aee()
user32.dll!77d4a860()
user32.dll!77d4a7ff()
user32.dll!77d4a813()
user32.dll!77d4a813()
comctl32.dll!71983a9b()
user32.dll!77d486cb()
user32.dll!77d4879f()
user32.dll!77d487e2()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d487b3()
user32.dll!77d492ab()
user32.dll!77d492b6()
user32.dll!77d492b6()
user32.dll!77d4bfd4()
user32.dll!77d4bfe4()
gen_ff.dll!011ac0c7()
gen_ff.dll!0119d312()
gen_ff.dll!0119b8e9()
gen_ff.dll!011ac0c7()
gen_ff.dll!0119d312()
gen_ff.dll!0119b8e9()
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Old 23rd March 2005, 18:43   #185
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Two "?" in the url - silly webmaster :/

basically, causing the plugin to try download to a temp file: live.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx

and of course "?" is an illegal filename character, heh.
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noonan: thanks for that, it confirms with the crash report i was getting. i found the problem was to do with the temp download of the asx files since the code is meant to adjust a temp filename based on the actual url so that '?' aren't in it but just checking and i've been working on the wrong string, doh! This could also explain the issue ujay had with a bookmark (here) since the crash was in the downloading code as this one was as well (dunno though)

a new build will be out shortly with the fix in place (which Egg has just confirmed) and i'm just working on improving the handling to make sure it strips out any illegal filename characters. yes damn those silly webmasters (see above )

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Old 23rd March 2005, 19:37   #187
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Playlist Loader v0.9.7.7 (formerly known as B4S Playlist Loader)
  • Fixed incorrect naming of temp playlist downloads which caused crashes when loading urls
get v0.9.7.7

Die bugs die!!!

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Old 23rd March 2005, 21:55   #189
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Getting confused now.

You can paste that link in Play > URL and it works o.k. now, but shouldn't it work if you drag and drop as well ?
And mms:// - what is that supposed to do, Are you supposed to be able to drag and drop mms:// links like you can with rtsp:// or what.

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if you're doing something like clicking on the link button and dragging that way then currently the plugin will not handle it since it can't detect that being done.

i've spent a bit of time whilst i was getting 0.9.7.0 ready trying to see why that was the case. basically there's no normal message that appears in winamp as with the enqueue actions, etc. i've got to look into this a bit more otherwise i may potentially have to make version specific handling in the plugin and to be honest i'd rather not do that

with the mms:// dragging, it follows the same thing as above (i'm going to search for more on it now if i can)

[edit]
and with 20mins in my lunch break i've finally found something to work with on for this (IDropTarget and some COM work is gonna be needed to implement/override this all i think) so i'll be looking into it over the next few weeks

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Right ... so drag and drop only works for Real player and mp3 streams at the moment then.

And mms:// only does anything if you're pasting into Play > URL is that right?
At the moment when I click an mms:// link or button on a webpage Firefox comes up and says something about launching an external application, which does nothing. Is this something the plugin might be able to handle, or is it something in FF I need to set up.

Hope I don't sound too picky on this. I love what you've achieved so far.
Getting pretty close to perfect now. Good luck and take your time, don't miss out on the Spring

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Old 24th March 2005, 18:02   #192
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And mms:// only does anything if you're pasting into Play > URL is that right?
At the moment when I click an mms:// link or button on a webpage Firefox comes up and says something about launching an external application, which does nothing. Is this something the plugin might be able to handle, or is it something in FF I need to set up.
it should work assuming you've enabled the setting in the filetypes list in winamp to set winamp as the default handler off all mms:// links. so i'm not too sure why it's not working for you (will have to wait for Egg or someother FF user to come along since i only use IE.

Spring?? what's that

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Drag+drop hasn't been fully implemented.
It'll work if you save the asx to HD first (ie. dragging from Windows Explorer folder to Winamp), but not when dragging from the browser. Maybe in a later build...?


Re: firefox

That shouldn't be happening.
You should get the "external app" pop-up message once, but if you checkmark "don't ask me again" (or whatever it says) then you should never see that message again.

Winamp should then open and play the mms:// stream, or if Winamp's already open and Enqueue is the default action, then you should see the mms:// url at the end of the current playlist (or in my case, because I use wampenq, it'll enqueue+play).

What happens when you deselect mms:// in Winamp Prefs > File Types?

Does WiMP open and play the mms:// stream instead?

All Firefox does is look at the following registry key/string:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\MMS\shell\open\command > (default)

And then the referenced app will be launched (whether it's WiMP, Winamp, or other).
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Old 24th March 2005, 21:27   #194
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O.k. fixed it. It turns out you have to associate .asf in WMP and then associate in Winamp. You can turn the association off in WMP afterwards if you want.
I have to do something similar with Launch CDs as well.

Just trying out IE, that seems to be alright except some links that work in FF don't in IE. Can someone try one of the Virgin radio links down at the bottom of the WMP section on this page http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/

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Old 24th March 2005, 21:45   #195
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Ooops ... that's the second time I've done that today.

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Old 24th March 2005, 22:44   #196
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Hmm, even their mp3 and ogg streams don't work in IE
http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestat...n/streams.html

Thank god for Firefox

Well, tbh, I don't think I'd really miss not listening to Virgin Radio actually
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just adding to Egg's post, i've tried all the virgin radiofeeds links and none of the wma ones work. as well i only get part of the mp3 ones listed there to work (the 32k one and that's not even adding in the full playlist which should be 3 entries)

with the direct links from virgin's site, i don't get any to work when clicking on them. if i do the click+drag n drop method then i can get the mp3 streams to work but the wma ones don't.

i can get them to play with wmp is the associated player for .asx files but that still leaves the point of why the mp3 streams are failing. i'll be checking this all again tomorrow morning and if things aren't working still then a lovely full and in depth email will be sent to their tech support to see why there is this issue (since if i can't even properly get the mp3 streams from their site when all other test links i've tried work then it's most likely their issue)

and the reason for the links not working right is that it appears no temporary playlist file is being downloaded to the internet temp cache and so for the ones the plugin handles it has nothing to read so nothing appears (the plugin removes the initially added entry since it's not needed just to clarify as it's just the .asx link).

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Old 26th March 2005, 13:59   #198
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problem stream

Hi guys, first of all thanks for a great plugin!

I'm having a problem playing a particular stream: all I get is the first 9 seconds (ad) then nothing.

I realise that this is almost certainly a problem with the stream, not the plugin but I wonder if anyone could be bothered to find out if it is possible for me to listen to the actual stream?

<asx version="3.0">
<entry>
<ref href="mms://83.245.15.217/kissradioplayer/04-2100-2300-32.wma" />
</entry>
</asx>

[this is the result of 'save target as' from link.]

the http link is:
http://promo.kissclients.com/kissplayer/metafiles/a_shorteeblitzandbigted.asx


Thanks in advance for any help!
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Old 26th March 2005, 14:38   #199
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Nothing is wrong. It is behaving properly. The above is only a short intro, preceding the full stream. Many streaming playlists are in that format, whereby it is in 2 parts - an intro and then the full stream (2 playlists within one playlist, one stream preceding the other). If you can provide a link to the exact webpage that contains the stream it should be relatively easy to find "part 2" of the stream by examining the page's source code.

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I've isolated a javascript-generated promo frameset (based on the promo.kissclients.com URL you provided).
Are you looking to listen to something specifically listed here?

If so, let me know which one. Is it anything listed there?
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Looks like it's a WMP-only stream, optimized for WiMP9+
A bit similar to the Kerrang Radio stream.

If you play that url in WiMP9, it plays the intro then moves on to the actual stream, whereas other players just play the intro. Alas, I don't think there's much that can be done about it. It's one of the 5% of mms:// streams that can't be played with Winamp (or any other player but WiMP9/10).

Use this one for Kiss 100 Live instead:
http://streamport.kisssys.co.uk/kiss32kbit/.wma
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