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Old 1st March 2006, 12:01   #201
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You might not care about the 12,000 stations with 0 to 20 listeners, but we do :/
I´m sure he meant an option, if the user wants to use the quick old search without IE, or if he wants to browse the stations. This has been said repeatedly here. And that´s all the angry users here want. What is so difficult to add such a setting and let the user choose (even with the compress methods I mentioned 3 times here)?

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Originally posted by Squashed 2)The really bad feeling from the need to allow IE to execute ActiveX and Javascript. Are both really necessary?
No, go to shoutcast.com (or v5.13) and you´ll see that it´s not.
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You have no class...no tact and you are probably only 12 or 13...

So, please try to be constructive if you are able to post here at all anymore... Personal attacks are rediculous and only done by cowards hiding behind anonimity...

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Old 1st March 2006, 14:55   #203
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Would just like to mention that even though the layout still needs to be worked on, it is helping to do wonderful things for the less popular stations (especially the aac+ streams) that have not been listed for months due to the whole server overload thing.

I think it's fair to say that the whole change shocked people at first without actually taking the time to go through it all and figure it out. I'll admit myself that I had almost drawn a conclusion without fully roadtesting it.

Either way, good job to the quick response of the developers for listening to the public and doing the best they can.
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My main complaint is that the search and sorting options are extremely limited or not even present.

I like the fact that I can see a lot more shoutcast stations, but I hate the fact that there is no sorting available.

If there's a way to do search-while-you-type AND have all the stations listed, I'd love it.

The more advanced the search is, the better. I don't like being limited.
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Old 1st March 2006, 15:27   #205
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@DJ Egg: Since a lot of users seem to oversee this (me included) I guess it would be a good idea to point that out by underlining (since it's a web page that is standard).

And: yes, I voted "Hate it" but now I'm calming down.
The improvements are notable; only left drawbacks for me are

1)The search speed. Why not caching the list between sessions and let the user refresh manually? Would save some bandwidth, too.

2)The really bad feeling from the need to allow IE to execute ActiveX and Javascript. Are both really necessary?
The old Online Media version didn't have a hand cursor, ie. it was the normal pointer, and you could just click on the column headers to sort by that column.

When the initial changes to the new OS listings were applied a couple of days ago, we still had the hand cursor appearing for all links, but it was decided to ditch that in favor of the standard pointer cursor, like it was before (much better, in most people's opinions, though we still need to get rid of the hand cursor for the rt-click context menu, heh).

Once we've got column resizing implemented (not easy, but it's being worked on) then it should become more obvious that you can click the column headers because then there'll be a visible separator inbetween them again.


I'm not sure about the search speeds. The results are cached by default. 1 hour is the default setting in Prefs > Online Services, even though I personally changed my setting to 'Never' because it's fast enough for me, and I get to see any changes almost in realtime with that setting, heh. Remember, you're now searching through the entire 13,000 strong Shoutcast directory, not just the top 500 to 1000 like it was before. And, as stated in the Update post, in 5.12 there'll be a new html compression method used which will vastly speed things up even more. It's all good, trust me/us.


If you're at all concerned about ActiveX and Javascript (they're not a bad thing, they're only bad when abused), and you don't use IE, then just add *.winamp.com and *.shoutcast.com to the Trusted Sites zone (assuming you still trust us) and then you can even set the Internet Zone to High, and the OS browser will still work perfectly.

And yes, if you see the attached screenshot in my first post in this thread, you can even edit ml_online.ini and add a link to shoutcast.com, so that it will display in Online Services . . . if you want.


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It certainly isn't my decision as to whether there can be an option to use the old/flawed Online Media thing. Drewbar provided a link to the old gen_ml.dll as an option, for now. Note that the old Online Media listings for AOL and Winamp Music/Video only list the old NSV content, whereas the new Online Services also lists WMV content (probably more than twice as much content in total).
With the old Online Media module, to add new views like SingingFish and maybe MusicNow store and whatever other new Online Sevices might appear, we would still need to use the "look for new channels on exit" method. You may not be aware, but this was one of the most despised and problematic features of the old Online Media implementation. Search the forums to see just how many complaints there were about Winamp always trying to access the internet when you closed it, or not saving settings/not responding when you shutdown Windows with Winamp still running, etc.


Hey, I'm just a user like everyone else here, and hey, even I wasn't too happy with the original implementation of the Online Services module (you should've seen it before it went into the public 5.2 Beta, or maybe you didn't even see it once it went into the public Beta?), but I'm much much more happy with it now, and I wouldn't want to go back to the old one even if someone payed me (which they don't).

Anyway... we shall see.

Currently looking forward to the next batch of improvements/changes.
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My main complaint is that the search and sorting options are extremely limited or not even present.

I like the fact that I can see a lot more shoutcast stations, but I hate the fact that there is no sorting available.

If there's a way to do search-while-you-type AND have all the stations listed, I'd love it.

The more advanced the search is, the better. I don't like being limited.
No sorting options? What do you mean?
Have you not tried clicking the column headers?
You can sort by: Name | Now Playing | Type | Bitrate | Listeners.

It's all good
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Old 1st March 2006, 21:57   #207
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shoutcast radio browser very slow,unusable.
i click online services pages, winamp frezees 1-2 sec.

winamp 5.2 is stable version??
I always received message when I start winamp(5.1), today i download a new version. and?? worse..
anyway I reinstall older version..

plz fix online services bug!!!
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Old 1st March 2006, 22:17   #208
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Yay! New Shoutcast TV view, with column resizing. Looks & works sweet here.

Same changes should be applied to SC-Radio soon.

Comments/feedback welcome
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DJ Egg,

Can you check on something for me that I am having a horrible time with one of the other forums?

Will there ever be an oppertunity to right click on any URL anywhere....(Specifically those URL's found in Station Info) and be able to copy that URL and paste it in any other browser...This is obviously for us who refuse to use IE...

I appreciate it and apologize in advance for any cross posting issues...

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Old 2nd March 2006, 00:00   #210
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Very nice Egg, particularly like the character span readout

Something else of interest is the self centering of the bars within the pane. This allows things to be set up with a narrow strip of dead space down the side. Not only does this make things more readable, but also gives a continuous area that can be used to take focus without changing the current selection.

[edit] Just noticed I can't pick up the seperator between viewers and bitrate. Little tweak still needed ?

[And another thing ] Is the character limit on the genre string in the SI window by design ?

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viewers | bitrates wont slide.. its already small enough
I'd make it slide, but the min would still be 4

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It certainly isn't my decision as to whether there can be an option to use the old/flawed Online Media thing.
Yes, atm the old library dll is working, but I´m frightened when it won´t work some time. At all events I think it wouldn´t be so difficult to add this and this thread and most of the people would be satisfied. A setting would be elegant and btw I like the new look and maybe the (useful) features coming in future

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(you should've seen it before it went into the public 5.2 Beta, or maybe you didn't even see it once it went into the public Beta?...
Honestly I took a look at it in Beta, but all I got was a script error and an empty page, so I thought this is a known beta bug and downgraded.


Whatever I just wanted to say that ya all do a great job. From what I´ve recognized since I´m here Nullsoft is very concerned about the user´s opinion. And they don´t take it personally (mostly) if we sometimes don´t like something (I like the humor "post an angry message in the forums" )
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viewers | bitrates wont slide.. its already small enough
I'd make it slide, but the min would still be 4
Default is fine by me then. Thanks

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The changes being made are very promising and the devs deserve kudos for that, although I still feel strongly that these kinds of usability kings should/could have been worked out in beta. DJ Egg also should be commended for his patience here.

But let's be clear, most of the people complaining earlier on in this thread were not simply shouting about nothing, giving knee-jerk reactions, etc. Perhaps some didn't see the initial public implementation of the 5.2 browser but it really was a huge, huge downgrade from the 5.13 native browser. Things are much better now, just a few days later, and that speaks very well for the dev team's responsiveness, just be careful judging the posted opinions of others further up the thread - remember you're looking at a significantly improved version from what they/we were commenting on to begin with.

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If you're at all concerned about ActiveX and Javascript (they're not a bad thing, they're only bad when abused), and you don't use IE, then just add *.winamp.com and *.shoutcast.com to the Trusted Sites zone (assuming you still trust us) and then you can even set the Internet Zone to High, and the OS browser will still work perfectly.
While I argee with you for folks using 2000 or XP, but in some older versions of Windows, I'm fairly certain that just running IE is a hazard.


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Running older versions of Windows is a hazard, period.

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I meant more in the sense that Win9x is a totally retarded system ;-)
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Running older versions of Windows is a hazard, period.
Till now there´s no worm/virus that can compromise Win9x by only connecting to your ISP like Sasser in WinXP.
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Yeah actually win98/ME is much more secure than XP or win2k. Simply because it still gets security patches and most of the new viruses doesn't even work in 9x versions.

But it's different case after June 06 when MS will stop all support for 98/ME versions.

On topic
The changes is starting to show in poll. Love it votes is slowly increasing and catching Hate it votes, but despite of the changes (and the plans) I would still vote Hate it, because it still is terribly slow to use even though I am using 1MB connection. The old one was sometimes slow too when downloading the lis, but after the list was loaded you didn't need to wait couple seconds after any sort or colunm resize. The truth is that, no matter how much you try the web interface isn't ever going to be good as the old one was.
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Quote:
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No sorting options? What do you mean?
Have you not tried clicking the column headers?
You can sort by: Name | Now Playing | Type | Bitrate | Listeners.

It's all good
Yeah, I found that shortly after I posted this.

Now I feel dumb.

The genre would be nice to have in the columns as well.
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Do not feel bad Pepper...I think we all missed it..When they get a rollover with them mouse, that will help

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hi all

I see winamp fix problems.. thanks! today shoutcast services much better!
but still incredible slow..
I hope winamp fix it soon!
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Old 2nd March 2006, 19:39   #223
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Yeah, there's a problem with winamp.com itself at the moment. So as soon as that's fixed, then the Online Services will be fast again (well, as fast as they can be...
for now, until the http compression stuff comes your way in 5.12 and maybe we work out a method to speed up the re-rendering eg. on 'sort by' and 'column resize').

Next up are the configurable options... hopefully coming before the weekend.

Getting there now, yes?


/me goes to recover from near mental breakdown
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Re: 5.2 shoutcast browser poll

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so what does everyone think of the new shoutcast browser
This is the worst upgrade to WinAmp that I have every seen. Sure it has fancy ICONS -- BIG WOO but I am very disappointed in the proformance and the ability to find anything at all.
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winamp 5.2 too early stable release, rather seems beta.


winamp music terrible, crash winamp when i try play video.
why use ie?? why not build own built-in webbrowser?

Error msg:
"A runtime error has occu... do you wish debug?
line: 367
error: oject expected"
-->and winamp crashed.
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why not build own built-in webbrowser?
Because the size of the installer would grow, and then other people will cry, that Winamp is bloated.
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Old 2nd March 2006, 23:28   #228
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I just installed version 5.2 was an upgrade from 5.1111. First it wiped out all playlists. Secondly under online services was blank so I had no access to Shoutcast Radio/TV, AOL Radio/Video's, WinAmp Music, etc... I uninstalled WinAmp 5.2. Deleted \Program files\winamp and \document and settings\%user name%\application data\winamp. Re-installed from scratch. Now have items in Online Services but WinAmp doesn't play alot of the items under WinAmp Music. In fact WinAmp goes south no error except when I force close WinAmp through task manager. Most of the time WinAmp is using about 80 precent of the CPU. All of the AOL originated music will not play.

I cannot get it to play any video now. It simply goes "Not Responding" in Task Manager with memory useage about 85 meg. Back to the prevous version.



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Yeah ... what he said !

But really - I've given it a few days and tried to get over the "change" but it's just simply too painful. Going back to 5.13 --> disappointed
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CPU Maxed...Question

Is it possible that the Predexis Musicmagic is doing something even though it is "off" out of the box?

The only time I see that kind of CPU utilization is when I amke a change to the MusicMagic settings and it does its thing...on the first time starting it afterwards...

Speaking of MusicMagic, what is the opinion so far of it?


Off subject...

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Yeah ... what he said !

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Stolen.....!!i love it...


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Installer size ?

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Because the size of the installer would grow, and then other people will cry, that Winamp is bloated.
I disagree Koopa, in an age of highspeed give me give me...
I don't think installer or application size is an issue any more...

I like the idea of using open source as code for a built-in web browser...no royalties and no headaches

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Furthermore..

One other point on the browser subject, there was not these issues before ActiveX was introduced....

Hmmmm, makes one wonder....

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There is not activex used beyond XML dom. No different than Google Maps.

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Which of course changes with IE7 when XMLHttpRequest object becomes native like it is in Firefox/Opera/etc, and even activex doesnt have to be on.

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May I please have my Ver 5.1 back? I've been happily using Winamp for years while streaming internet radio. After recently installing 5.2 I find that it takes ovr 30 seconds to load when I call it up. I've uninstalled and reinstalled twice with same result. I'll just use Windows Media Player (Cringgggg) until I'm told 5.2 has been fixed or I can get 5.1 again.
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Winamp taking 30 seconds to load has got nothing to do with the Shoutcast Browser or Online Media/Services, so I'm not sure why you're even posting in this thread.
More than likely, it's either an incompatible 3rd-party plugin or skin to blame, or possibly an issue caused by the new Portable Media Player support modules, in particular pmp_p4s.dll (support for Microsoft PlaysForSure Devices).

All buggy older versions of Winamp can be found here
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100 % CRAP VIEW
previous shout cast view was way better.
Keep it simple just live the local media view.
I have apps using IE, blocked it completely.
I see no need to use this Active X crap at all.
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Then no more shoutcast for you, that sucks.

?? I msissed something in this exchange...

Did you mean "then No More Shoutcast for you?"


Or were you speaking in the same native tongue? lol

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