Old 7th November 2006, 09:54   #121
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looks like u brushed my question to one side !!!

would not choose you! to give me licenses!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nathan159
[B]so your saying you have ppl worldwide cover then are you? all negotians have been sorted if im wrong! looked at your website nothing there nor about bmi!!!
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Old 7th November 2006, 10:11   #122
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I am a part for a Network that has a BMI licence that covers Not just the US but in Australia as well.

This is the same network as nomadrush co-owns and i do know both of these owners and i am grateful that the network has a BMI licence.

A few stations that has been on radio servers has been busted lately for NOT having these licences and some were suspended. If you do not have coverage by ANY licences you will have to pay hefty fines, that will also close the station down OR they will close you down... permanently.

Licence providers like loudcity has restrictions on airplay, but other networks with a licence to perform may have to follow other rules.

so for those people that argue against worldwide streaming coverage they should think before they speak!

Ps for that last poster before me... his station has a BMI licence... check the networks site!

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I would strongly urge all station owners to check out the RIAA's website to see where they stand legally.

http://www.riaa.com/default.asp

I understand from a friend that the RIAA have even been known to pursue an 11 year old girl for illegal download of copyright music so what chance does a radio station have of escaping prosecution?

Can I also remind everyone that copyright theft is a CRIMINAL offence not a civil offence and as such, carries a possible custodial sentence. I expect that one or two stations will be made examples of in a series of forthcoming legal cases and I for one, would want as much protection as possible from all available sources, not arguing the toss that our cover is or isn't full enough!

Many stations use copyright music behind jingles and adverts without permission and do not even realise that they are committing a criminal offence!

Licensing on the Net will be changing very soon, I can't say more on this at the moment as we are in advanced negotiations, but it will make it a whole lot easier to get cover at an affordable rate.

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i hope you do not take this the wrong way, but I would suspect with the attitude you have shown here that many would find it hard doing business with you.

You may/may not have a world license shortly, but when some have suggested making sure it is legitimate/asking for evidence etc this was seen as an attack and the reaction, was to say the least, very very unprofessional. Now imagine if a customer had emailed you the questions posted here, and you had sent them the same material back, I for one would have moved on rather quickly.

I do know from experience the negotiations involved, with 3 of the licensing agencies around the world, and I do congratulate your efforts, however I also do know their reaction unless you are going to be paying a significant sum each month, which as a start up agency you will not, as with any startup the business is not initially there.

Now I also see as the latest post, some semi veiled threat/sales pitch that everyone is breaking the law and should get a license, and oh look you are here to provide.

As with any forum there are the unstated rules which most people only come to learn after 6-12 months , and here it can take a little longer as many of us to do not post alot of the time.

I would suggest as CraigF has pointed, get your license then come back, as the continued posting of effectively NOTHING USEFUL is very very tiresome.

Now I am sure you will come back with some rather unwitty comment re. well its the law and you should have a licence and you are wrong and we are talking to PPL etc etc, but as Nathan has pointed out, you have not actually answered his question, or for the most part anyone elses ....

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Old 7th November 2006, 11:53   #125
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What is professionalism?

Hi Womble

Professionalism is about offering your customers a great service and as has already been shown on here that's exactly what we do. Professionalism is not about sitting in a forum being slagged off maliciously without having the right to fight back.

You may not like the way I respond, but I take crap from no-one. I don't ask people to like me and to be frank don't care whether they do or not. I guess I am lucky enough to be in a position where I can survive with or without them so I refuse to crawl to anybody!

I have been working endlessly on setting up a licence that will benefit all whichever territory they are in, as I am a radio man through and through and want to see online radio work with the current problems eliminated, but if people don't want to take advantage of that licence it really isn't any skin off my nose. All I know is that OUR clients will benefit.

We should all be working together on this not fighting and making pointless and pathetic statements in the forums that do nothing to solve the problems we all face.

There are some in here who post sesnibly and make good and valid points and I do not send thunderbolts at them do I? It is purely the idiots like Spaceplay who feel my wrath and if you want to call it unprofessional you can, but I have never tolerated fools gladly and if they don't wish to be attacked then they shouldn't start the war by firing the first bullets.

As I said before, I spent many years dealing with REAL hardmen whilst in the boxing industry and have learned that being nice isn't always the most effective way when dealing with attacks!

Love it or hate it Web Radio World is here to stay and with the current acquisition targets we will be at the forefront of this industry sooner rather than later, so once again, I warn that people should not burn their bridges.

Now, let's all play nice!

Be lucky!

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Old 7th November 2006, 12:01   #126
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[B]looks like u brushed my question to one side !!!

would not choose you! to give me licenses!

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so your saying you have ppl worldwide cover then are you? all negotians have been sorted if im wrong! looked at your website nothing there nor about bmi!!!


misses it again hmmmmmmm dont that tell ya summit
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Old 7th November 2006, 12:19   #127
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What are you Nathan the bloody Spanish Inquisition?

If you read back through the posts your question has already been answered by both Dan Brewington and myself.
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Old 7th November 2006, 12:39   #128
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...with the current acquisition targets we will be at the forefront of this industry sooner rather than later..
Are you buying Live365? Or PPL UK? Maybe ASCAP? SoundExchange? Sounds expensive to me...

I may be wrong, but I think there are a limited number of webcasters that care about being legal. And not even the mighty RIAA has the resources to chase down over 10,000 shoutcasters - not to mention those broadcasting on other platforms. File sharing was a much bigger threat to music sales, so it makes sense that the RIAA would target that. But clearly the resources required to police the entire net for unlicensed webcasters is enormous. So if you're relying on a few public court cases to drum up business, that's probably not going to pan out.

Hell, half the kids who post on these forums looking for shoutcast tech support can barely read... so they are unlikely to read CNN.

The quest for a "monopoly" (which it sounds like you're after) is noble... but unattainable. Anybody with enough money can follow the same path. So why don't they? I'm guessing because there's not likely to be a high return on investment.
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Old 7th November 2006, 13:05   #129
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Hell, half the kids who post on these forums looking for shoutcast tech support can barely read... so they are unlikely to read CNN.
LMFAO



Hey Dotme. How in the heck did you ever get that acxImage file to work for your sig?

I've been messing with it for 2 days now and i cant figure it out to save my life./
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As I've already said. Sort out the business end first before dishing out the sales pitch and you'll get more respect.

I fail to see why this conversation needs to continue until then.

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actually in all fairness I think Im the one who mentioned world license first. Perhaps what i should have said was licensing in 30 countries.

sorry for bringing it up.
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If you don't think the online radio business is going to escalate into a major force in the media in the next few years then I think you are the one thta may need some guidance! Just check the information that's out there about what is actually happening.

I'm not having a go at you here, just that I have had some very good gambles pay off in my life and I believe this to be a worthwhile dabble lol!

The "bedroom DJ's" will still be around but the big professional radio groups are already eyeing up the larger stations online and soon there will only be a handful of big players. Its the way of the world!

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Old 7th November 2006, 16:18   #133
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You should read these from the RIAA

Firstly:

"Webcasting is one of the biggest growth areas for music online. It generally refers to the streaming of audio on the Internet, such as with Internet radio. As available user bandwidth increases, more and more major entertainment websites are streaming audio and creating genre based, commercial-free programming.

The RIAA foresaw the market potential of digitally transmitted music (including cable and satellite services) and worked with Congress in the early 1990s to preserve copyright holders’ rights. We wanted to find the best way to assure the development of this exciting business while knowing that copyright holders should be able to control the digital performance of their works just as they do the reproduction, distribution, and adaptation."

(Taken from the RIAA website.)


Secondly: http://www.riaa.com/issues/licensing/webcasting_faq.asp
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Streaming media already is a "big force in the media business". Actually, it is also beginning to expand outside of the media business.

Soon the laws will catch up to make this something worth while. Until then, people are going to make one of two choices: a. tell being legal to piss off; b. do what they can to be legal, but they are not about to bend over backwards to do so.

Then, eventually, people will figure out that they are missing a boat load of money or that this has all gotten too complicated, and apply the XM/Sirius model in reverse. Fine broadcast something, anything, what ever the hell you want. Just give us $10/month for it and we will deal with who gets the money.
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As I've already said. Sort out the business end first before dishing out the sales pitch and you'll get more respect.

I fail to see why this conversation needs to continue until then.
AMEN to that

I have contacted several people directly related to businesses that deal with internet streaming and NONE of them seems to be aware of this.

So instead of acting like a 10 year old as soon as somebody start to ask questions regarding this issue
get your stuff straight , get it done and come back here to prove it.

and BTW Ross
10 rounds, you wouldn't even last 1
but again as i have stated several times before you are showing that you are nowhere near a respectable businessman
and you showed that poor attitude in a forum populated by your future customers. way to go dude!

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One round eh? You haven't done your research on me very well then have you!

Until the day we meet Spaceplay - enjoy hiding behind your PC
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Jesus Christ, will you guys grow the fuck up.

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Why? I'm having so much fun lol!

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AMEN to that

I have contacted several people directly related to businesses that deal with internet streaming and NONE of them seems to be aware of this.

Are these the same people that gave you the impression that you are covered to have over seas dejays?

If so maybe you need to find a new source for your info.
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I spoke to the president of the Universe this morning and he said he was completely unaware that spaceplay had any license whatsoever in holland.

Dont believe me call him and ask him yourself.
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I spoke to the president of the Universe this morning and he said he was completely unaware that spaceplay had any license whatsoever in holland
Spaceplay is licensed in his own country.

But... If the other posters here are to be believed, the only license actually held by WRW at the moment is with BMI. Everything else is still "in negotiations".

A license "in negotiation" isn't a license "held" - Because negotiations have a funny way of falling through.

BMI coverage alone is not enough in the USA (you must have SoundExchange and ASCAP coverage too). So if this is really the only license currently held by WRW and you are relying on them to be legal, your station isn't licensed right now in any country.

Woops... lol
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I spoke to the president of the Universe this morning and he said he was completely unaware that spaceplay had any license whatsoever in holland.

Dont believe me call him and ask him yourself.
I called him and he just told me your sig was as big as your overinflated ego.

I got rid of the one I have control over, hopefully you'll do something about the latter.

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I think we should end this thread here before it gets really out of hand, and just like the Hulk, Spaceplay wouldn't like me when I really get angry lol!

I will finish by saying this:

Anyone who wishes to be licenced for the majority of world territories and wants streaming that starts from US$5 a month, then contact dan.brewington@webradioworld.com.

Anyone that does not believe what our PPL licence offers, should contact PPL directly and ask!

And finally, anyone who believes anything that Spaceplay is spouting - seek counselling lol!

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WILL POST FOR BEER! lol

BUT, advertising is against the forum rules, if we can't advertise our shoutcast radio, then BUDDY YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE YOUR UNKNOWN business.

Did you read the sticky's?

I guess not cuz you guys are to busy bashing Live365 and Loudcity and thats slander that I might add.

No one here was bashing your thing, so why have to do it to others that are VERY well knowned and majority of stations go threw them. I don't see any station *Besides Sputnik Radio* going through yours.

How about stop negotated and make plans of having them then you'll be a respected company, but till then. Be the company that will be shun upon as being a SHANTY one.

If you guys want respect, then please have respect to the winamp eldars of the forum.

Again I really do think you are violating the forum rules with advertising, here, let me help you:

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I called him and he just told me your sig was as big as your overinflated ego.

I got rid of the one I have control over, hopefully you'll do something about the latter.

Yeah I noticed.


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dangit the only image that seems to load right is the one that is like 300k to big.

oh well I will find something else.

I wonder if 300k could be considered "a little slop over" ?

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Spaceplay is licensed in his own country.

But... If the other posters here are to be believed, the only license actually held by WRW at the moment is with BMI. Everything else is still "in negotiations".

A license "in negotiation" isn't a license "held" - Because negotiations have a funny way of falling through.

BMI coverage alone is not enough in the USA (you must have SoundExchange and ASCAP coverage too). So if this is really the only license currently held by WRW and you are relying on them to be legal, your station isn't licensed right now in any country.

Woops... lol
Dotme.

I dont doubt he is . It was a sarcastic joke .

Anybody can post anything about who they talked to and what they said. It don't make it the absolute definitive truth.

Just because Spaceplay makes post about who he talks too and what they said doesnt mean diddly squat. That was my point.

Watch this.

Hey I called up Rick James last night and he said that Dotme don't have no rythm.

Now just because I posted that does it automatically make it the gospel?

see where im going with that?


You guys used to be cool. I don't know who pissed in your cheerios but so be it.

actually im working on a way to store all my songs on a server in europe and use active winamp to dj . So

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You guys used to be cool. I don't know who pissed in your cheerios but so be it.
lol - I prefer Captain Crunch.

I was just pointing out that Live365, SWCast and LoudCity all hold licenses with BMI, SESAC, ASCAP and SoundExchange. That puts those three companies in the position of being able to offer USA small webcasters affordable royalty coverage and licensing (Affordable when compared to direct-licensing).

These services can offer this coverage today. Right now.

If you remember, the initial allegation was that Live365 and LoudCity were not legal.

If it is true that WHW currently holds one license - with BMI - and the rest are still "in negotiation", that would seem to imply that WHW are the ones currently not legal.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in that?
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lol - I prefer Captain Crunch.

I was just pointing out that Live365, SWCast and LoudCity all hold licenses with BMI, SESAC, ASCAP and SoundExchange. That puts those three companies in the position of being able to offer USA small webcasters affordable royalty coverage and licensing (Affordable when compared to direct-licensing).

These services can offer this coverage today. Right now.

If you remember, the initial allegation was that Live365 and LoudCity were not legal.

If it is true that WHW currently holds one license - with BMI - and the rest are still "in negotiation", that would seem to imply that WHW are the ones currently not legal.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in that?
But you see dotme its not that simple. I am an international broadcaster. I have residence in Russia and America. I have dejays in europe and one in america. So loudcity nor L365 can cover me in such a broad fashion.

It's a lot to think about especially seeing how constricting the current laws are.

If im licensed through say LC . I go to Russia for a month and dj there Im not licensed. If one of my dj's in the UK wants to play Im not licensed.

Now I know wrw doesnt currently cover Russia but heck I dont know who does.

I just wish it where more simple.
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Old 8th November 2006, 15:56   #149
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actually i have a solution.

Im about to hook my system up where I dejay using active winamp remotely.

so no matter where I am my stream will always originate from one place.
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wow this threads got legs....



ps these are not mine
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It's who owns the station that matters, I think. I hear what you're saying about international issues. But most stations are not like yours. Most have one owner, one controller, and usually one DJ. Which means WHW is offering a service that may ultimately be of value to only a small fraction of webcasters.

10% of webcasters care about licensing
10% of those have international DJs
= 1% of the market. Ouch.
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wow this threads got legs....
lol - probably the most entertaining thread since Norman took over WebcasterU at the beginning of the year.
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379 - webcasterU thread

152 - worldwide thread.

not doing bad, nearly half way.
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so whats webcasterU all about?

never heard about it
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i would hate to push this off topic so i have pmed you the link for your entertainment.
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It's who owns the station that matters, I think. I hear what you're saying about international issues. But most stations are not like yours. Most have one owner, one controller, and usually one DJ. Which means WHW is offering a service that may ultimately be of value to only a small fraction of webcasters.

10% of webcasters care about licensing
10% of those have international DJs
= 1% of the market. Ouch.
well i definitely care about licensing.

But you could look at that from a different angle

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Here is a very interesting read about the subject.


http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dlt...1dltr0031.html
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Ok now this is just getting scarey.

http://www.arbitron.com/portable_people_meters/home.htm

they have a people meter that will allow them to collect dat on when and where media is being played .


this sorta answers the question earlier in this thread about music being monitored.
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actually i have a solution.

Im about to hook my system up where I dejay using active winamp remotely.
First normal posting i have seen since you entered this thread

Now you get how i CAN be LEGAL with DJ's all over the world!!!!

there isn't a law in the world that does not have a maze!!!!

besides that there is always the FTP , dj's upload their shows and i transfer the show to the schedule.

The reason why i did not give names with the post i made above talking about nobody that is aware of this "new world wide lisence" is because i asked them as a private person.
I did not ask them permission to post their names.
As i believe strongly in a persons privacy i won't do such a thing without their aproval.

both are providing software for station automation and are not USA based.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

First post I've seen you make with a lick of respect to anyone other than your cohorts since I had the good fortune of being privvy to your co-existance in the universe.


ps. looking at your stats I sure hope your not paying much for that dutch licensing. Send me a PM sometimes and I will teach you some tricks on how to get your listener count up.
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