Old 30th May 2010, 09:14   #41
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I am currently experiencing this, too

I am currently using Winamp version 5.572, complete install (i.e. never upgraded).

I did a scan of this thread and I tried deleting the main.idx file in my %appdata%\winamp\Plugins\ml folder, but the problem is happening again. I have found a workaround for it, though. You can click on any of the other tabs next to Media Library (I usually click the Video tab) and then click back on the Media Library tab. All of your music will appear. I'm not a programmer, but I have a hunch as to what might be causing the glitch. I have "Rescan folders at startup" enabled within the "Preferences > Media Library > Local Media > Watch Folders" settings page, and I've noticed many other people experiencing this problem do, too.

EDIT: I tried disabling the "Rescan folders at startup" option, but the Media Library still displays a gray mass (sometimes). Also, if anyone finds it easier, they can hit ALT+L to reload the Media Library tab instead of having to click on a different tab, then back to the Media Library.

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Old 30th May 2010, 23:46   #42
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I got a similar problem but solved it partially with deleting "main.idx" and rescaning my music.

But the problem is that most of the files i have rated is gone, how can i fix it? (I too a backup of that folder (C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\Winamp)

I noticed that i have 14 .vmd files and only useing 7 in "gen_ml.ini", why is that?

(Copyed from the .ini file)
query1_meta=met65B2.vmd
query2_meta=met7584.vmd
query3_meta=met8556.vmd
query4_meta=met9528.vmd
query5_meta=metA4FA.vmd
query6_meta=metB4CC.vmd
query7_meta=metC49E.vmd


my plugin list
Memory available: 6282420 KB


<< Input plugins >>

Nullsoft AVI Demuxer v0.3 [in_avi.dll]
Nullsoft CD Plug-in (MusicID 2.6) v3.91 [in_cdda.dll]
Nullsoft DirectShow Decoder v1.07 [in_dshow.dll]
Nullsoft FLAC Decoder 2.09 [in_flac.dll]
Nullsoft Flash Video Decoder 1.4 [in_flv.dll]
Nullsoft MIDI Player 3.17 [in_midi.dll]
Nullsoft Matroska Demuxer v0.5 [in_mkv.dll]
Nullsoft Module Decoder v2.82 [in_mod.dll]
Nullsoft MPEG Audio Decoder 4.9 [in_mp3.dll]
Nullsoft MP4 Demuxer v2.0 [in_mp4.dll]
Nullsoft NSV Decoder v1.2 [in_nsv.dll]
Nullsoft Flash Control Playback v1.1 [in_swf.dll]
Nullsoft Vorbis Decoder v1.56 [in_vorbis.dll]
Nullsoft Waveform Decoder v3.18 [in_wave.dll]
Nullsoft Windows Media Decoder 3.4 [in_wm.dll]

<< Output plugins >>

Nullsoft Disk Writer v2.14 [out_disk.dll]
Nullsoft DirectSound Output v2.49 (d) [out_ds.dll] [active]
Nullsoft WaveOut Output v2.12 (d) [out_wave.dll]

<< Visualisation plugins >>

No plugins of this type are installed

<< DSP plugins >>

Nullsoft Signal Processing Studio DSP v0.39b [dsp_sps.dll] [active]

<< General Purpose plugins >>

Nullsoft Modern Skins Support v1.39 [gen_ff.dll]
Nullsoft Global Hotkeys v1.7 [gen_hotkeys.dll]
Jump To File Extra v1.0.7.3 (Build 913) [gen_jumpex.dll]
Nullsoft Media Library v3.27 [gen_ml.dll]
One for Nunz v4.3.1 [gen_nunzio.dll]
Nullsoft Music Usage Database v1.0 [gen_orgler.dll]
Nullsoft Tray Control v2.4 [gen_tray.dll]

<< Media Library plugins >>

Nullsoft Now Playing v3.8 [ml_nowplaying.dll]
Nullsoft Local Media v2.9 [ml_local.dll]
Nullsoft Playlists v1.17 [ml_playlists.dll]
Nullsoft Winamp Add-ons v1.0 [ml_addons.dll]
Nullsoft Online Services v1.65 [ml_online.dll]
Nullsoft Podcasts v1.27 [ml_wire.dll]
Nullsoft Rip & Burn v1.8 [ml_disc.dll]
Nullsoft Portable Music Player Support v1.26 [ml_pmp.dll]
Nullsoft Bookmarks v1.07 [ml_bookmarks.dll]
Nullsoft History v1.6 [ml_history.dll]
Nullsoft Auto-Tagger v2.04 [ml_autotag.dll]
Nullsoft Database Import/Export v2.1 [ml_impex.dll]
Nullsoft Playlist Generator v1.2 [ml_plg.dll]
Nullsoft Replay Gain Analyzer v1.07 [ml_rg.dll]
Nullsoft Format Converter v2.4 [ml_transcode.dll]

<< Portable Media Player plugins >>

Nullsoft iPod Plug-in v0.76 [pmp_ipod.dll]
Nullsoft Creative NJB Plug-in v0.54 [pmp_njb.dll]
Nullsoft PlaysForSure Plug-in v0.8 [pmp_p4s.dll]
Nullsoft USB Device Plug-in v0.8 [pmp_usb.dll]

<< Encoder plugins >>

[enc_aacplus.dll]
aacPlus (HE-AAC) Encoder v1.3
aacPlus (HE-AAC) High Bitrate Encoder v1.3
LC-AAC Encoder v1.3
MP4/aacPlus (HE-AAC) Encoder v1.3
MP4/aacPlus (HE-AAC) High Bitrate Encoder v1.3
MP4/LC-AAC Encoder v1.3
[enc_flac.dll]
FLAC Encoder 2.2 (libFLAC v1.2.1)
[enc_lame.dll]
MP3 Encoder v1.35a
[enc_wav.dll]
WAV Encoder v1.02a
[enc_wma.dll]
WMA Encoder v1.22a

<< Summary of system components (*.w5s) >>
(These are not included in the plugin counts below)
aacPlusDecoder.w5s (231kb)
adpcm.w5s (15kb)
auth.w5s (170kb)
bmp.w5s (19kb)
ClassicPro.w5s (126kb)
dlmgr.w5s (14kb)
filereader.w5s (14kb)
gif.w5s (19kb)
gracenote.w5s (16kb)
h264.w5s (642kb)
jnetlib.w5s (608kb)
jpeg.w5s (151kb)
mp4v.w5s (196kb)
ombrowser.w5s (292kb)
pcm.w5s (12kb)
playlist.w5s (82kb)
png.w5s (84kb)
primo.w5s (13kb)
tagz.w5s (21kb)
timer.w5s (35kb)
vlb.w5s (120kb)
vp6.w5s (177kb)
xml.w5s (88kb)

<< Summary of all dlls in the root winamp folder (*.dll) >>
(These are not included in the plugin counts below)
burnlib.dll (81kb) [not loaded]
elevatorps.dll (45kb) [not loaded]
libFLAC.dll (133kb) [loaded]
libmp4v2.dll (175kb) [not loaded]
libsndfile.dll (247kb) [loaded]
nde.dll (74kb) [loaded]
nsutil.dll (52kb) [loaded]
primosdk.DLL (230kb) [not loaded]
tataki.dll (82kb) [loaded]
zlib.dll (46kb) [loaded]

<< Summary of all dlls in the plugins\gracenote folder (*.dll) >>
(These are not included in the plugin counts below)
CDDBControlWinamp.dll (1329kb) [not loaded]
CddbMusicIDWinamp.dll (901kb) [not loaded]
CddbPlaylist2Winamp.dll (1017kb) [not loaded]
CDDBUIWinamp.dll (1021kb) [not loaded]
CddbWOManagerWinamp.dll (377kb) [not loaded]
Cddbx1.dll (221kb) [not loaded]
Cddbx2.dll (585kb) [not loaded]
Cddbx3.dll (637kb) [not loaded]
Cddbx4.dll (269kb) [not loaded]
Cddbx5.dll (381kb) [not loaded]

<< Summary of installed plugins >>

15 Input plugins installed
3 Output plugins installed
0 Visualisation plugin installed
1 DSP plugin installed
7 General Purpose plugins installed
15 Media Library plugins installed
4 Portable Media Player plugins installed
5 Encoder plugins installed

Total: 50 plugins installed


************************************************************
************************************************************


Associated Winamp file extensions list

<< Reported extensions from Winamp >>

AVI
CDA
MPG
MPEG
M2V
AVI
FLAC
FLV
MID
MIDI
RMI
KAR
MIZ
MKV
MOD
MDZ
NST
STM
STZ
S3M
S3Z
IT
ITZ
XM
XMZ
MTM
ULT
669
FAR
AMF
OKT
PTM
MP3
MP2
MP1
AAC
VLB
M4A
MP4
NSV
NSA
SWF
OGG
AIFF
AU
AVR
CAF
HTK
IFF
MAT
PAF
PVF
RAW
RF64
SD2
SDS
SF
VOC
W64
WAV
WVE
XI
WMA
WMV
ASF
< Playlist Formats >
M3U
PLS
M3U8
B4S
ASX
WPL

<< Reported extensions from each input plugin >>
(This should match with Winamp's listing excluding playlist formats)

in_avi.dll AVI

in_cdda.dll CDA

in_dshow.dll MPG MPEG M2V AVI

in_flac.dll FLAC

in_flv.dll FLV

in_midi.dll MID MIDI RMI KAR MIZ

in_mkv.dll MKV

in_mod.dll MOD MDZ NST STM STZ S3M S3Z IT ITZ XM XMZ MTM ULT 669 FAR AMF OKT PTM

in_mp3.dll MP3 MP2 MP1 AAC VLB

in_mp4.dll M4A MP4

in_nsv.dll NSV NSA

in_swf.dll SWF

in_vorbis.dll OGG

in_wave.dll AIFF AU AVR CAF HTK IFF MAT PAF PVF RAW RF64 SD2 SDS SF VOC W64 WAV WVE XI

in_wm.dll WMA WMV ASF


************************************************************
************************************************************


Listing of installed input plugins (in_*) and the relevent apis which they indicate that they
support to allow you to see how well the plugin is likely to work with different Winamp builds.

Note: This is a best guess at how well the plugins shown should work with Winamp and until
you actually use the plugins with Winamp in normal use you will not otherwise know.


A * means the plugin has support for metadata queries on a file (2.9+)
A # means the plugin supports saving modified metadata via Winamp apis (2.9+)
A % means the plugin supports the unified file info dialog and a '%+' shows it adds its own pages (5.5+)
A || means the plugin supports the api_decoder used for transcoding/replaygain/etc (5.34+)

A || means the plugin supports the api_decoder used for transcoding/replaygain/etc (5.34+)
and '(Seekable)' indicates extra support in processing of audio data via api_decoder

A {} around a symbol means the plugin supports the unicode version of the api


in_avi.dll {*} {#}
in_cdda.dll {*} {#} %+ ||
in_dshow.dll * #
in_flac.dll {*} {#} %+ {||}
in_flv.dll {*} {#}
in_midi.dll * #
in_mkv.dll {*} {#}
in_mod.dll * # ||
in_mp3.dll {*} {#} %+ {||} (Seekable)
in_mp4.dll {*} {#} % {||} (Seekable)
in_nsv.dll * #
in_swf.dll {*} {#}
in_vorbis.dll {*} {#} %+ {||} (Seekable)
in_wave.dll * # || (Seekable)
in_wm.dll {*} {#} %+ {||}


Summary:

'One for Nunz' found 15 installed input plugins in 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Winamp\Plugins'
100% (15) of the plugins installed provide the needed 5.x api ("winampGetExtendedFileInfo(..)
or winampGetExtendedFileInfoW(..)") to allow the formats provided by the plugins to work with
most of Winamp 5.x's features (more important with higher versions).
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Old 2nd June 2010, 11:36   #43
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I got a similar problem but solved it partially with deleting "main.idx" and rescaning my music.
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Old 2nd June 2010, 13:17   #44
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I got a similar problem but solved it partially with deleting "main.idx" and rescaning my music.
what?
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Old 26th June 2010, 04:02   #45
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I had the same problem half hour ago

I solved it [at least for now] by pressing CTRL+P [Preferences], Local Media under Media Library Tab. I pressed the Clear Media Library button and then unchecked Display "Show Info" in media and album views, and it magically showed up again \o\
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Old 4th July 2010, 14:07   #46
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Tell us how to reproduce it, then we'll try fix it.
I get the grey screen if I start Winamp from my browser using Foxy Tunes (using both Internet Explorer 8 and Firefox 3.6.6). Funnily enough it only happens every SECOND time, i.e one time Winamp starts fine, but the next time the entire media library tab will be greyed out. This doesn't happen if I start Winamp from the Windows 7 taskbar where I have it pinned - it always works perfectly from there.

BTW this has only happened with the latest version of Winamp 5.58, and is actually an improvement! In the previous two versions to that Winamp would actually crash if I tried to start it via Foxy Tunes, so even though it's a pain having it grey, at least Winamp now works and doesn't crash.

FYI the Winamp versions before the previous three ALL worked PERFECTLY starting them from Foxy Tunes - Winamp wasn't greyed out and it wouldn't crash at all. So something has changed since then, be it Winamp itself, Foxy Tunes, or some other plugins.

I'm running the Big Bentoo Skin, am using the old Dynamic Library plugin 1.03, am using Shibatch mpg123 plugin for input and Kernel Streaming Output 3.63 for output on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. I have an Asus Xonar Essence ST soundcard with the latest drivers. Please let me know if you would like any further information.

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Old 9th July 2010, 10:29   #47
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I just had the same problem. I removed main.idx from the folder "ml" and the problem is resolved, however my play count has been reset, everything else is fine. I was hoping you could tell me if this is something I can restore.
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Old 10th July 2010, 14:52   #48
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Not really. However, there is a backup and restore program for Winamp’s settings. Then you have a way of restoring Winamp’s data if there a need in the future. Winamp Backup Tool

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Old 22nd August 2010, 14:18   #49
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Same problem here. From what I understand, there is no real solution for this bug except deleting the ml folder and losing all the data stored there.. am I right?
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Old 22nd August 2010, 14:20   #50
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only the files mentioned, deleting the whole ml folder will loose more data than is necessary and since the offending files are full of zeros there's no need to remove anything other than main.idx.

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Old 22nd August 2010, 14:24   #51
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Moved main.idx to another folder and Winamp worked okay but my library has been erased. That's not cool.

An official Winamp fix won't hurt. As I see it, more and more users encounter this problem.
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Old 22nd August 2010, 14:28   #52
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well no one has been able to work out what is causing the files to become full of zeros so there's no way back though it shouldn't be that hard to rebuild the library and just use the backup tool as referenced in JonnyMac's post to make a backup copy incase of the issue happening again.

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Old 29th August 2010, 17:02   #53
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Recreate ML after grey-out is no big deal. But all tracking data: play count, last played and ratings are lost. And that's just where I used ML for.
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Old 29th August 2010, 17:49   #54
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no one has been able to work out what is causing the files to become full of zeros
if there was a fix then i'd like to think it would have been applied but as no one knows what is causing it to happen it's nigh on impossible to get it fixed sadly (and i wouldn't be surprised if it's something stupid causing it).

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Old 29th August 2010, 18:08   #55
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Recreate ML after grey-out is no big deal. But all tracking data: play count, last played and ratings are lost. And that's just where I used ML for.
just FYI, u can save ratings in the tag now, and you can backup the ML using the backup tool, just search the forum for info.

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Old 14th December 2010, 22:10   #56
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Blank media library screen

I had to do a rename on main.idx. Then the view panels on Winamp showed up again, so I had to re-add all my media and now it appears to be fine.
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Old 29th December 2010, 03:49   #57
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I had the same problem (totally grayed-out 'Local Media' view), and I registered just now.
I'm glad I found this thread because I was very frustrated. I did what everyone suggested (cleared my media library) and that worked.
But, I'm still mighty frustrated - not because I have to re-up my music into winamp, but because all my playlists are gone. with 6000 songs I spend hours making the playlists for running, sleeping, party, etc. @#$!
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Old 29th December 2010, 06:32   #58
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aren't playlists saved as physical files? is there another way to do it where they aren't?

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Old 29th December 2010, 14:49   #59
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My playlists are all saved as .m3u files. WMP uses .wpl files but Winamp can "see" those as well and import them. I'm a noob and don't know a lot about Winamp so there may be some other way Winamp "saves" playlists.
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Old 29th December 2010, 14:52   #60
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%appdata%\Winamp\Plugins\ml (when entered into Explorer) should show any playlists created with ml_playlists as plfXXXX.m3u8 files (if they still exist)

however removing main.dat/idx shouldn't have affected the ml_playlists which are stored in the above folder and references in playlists.xml (unless the file also became corrupted).

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Old 30th December 2010, 18:08   #61
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Thanks for the help re: playlists. I'm still wishing the main problem of the greyed-out local media could be remidied in a better way than removing everything.
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Old 30th January 2011, 17:12   #62
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Jeez, I must be a noob, because I have the same problem. I just can't find the 'main' thing everyone's talking about.
same thing for me....o_0?

this is everything in my winamp folder...


EDIT: Nvm, i thought %appdata% was shorthand for c://program files.... thx DrO
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Old 2nd August 2011, 02:42   #63
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This is sadly still an issue with the newest Winamp version.. sorry for bumping but I think it's important that this bug is still pointed out.

Deleting the .idx worked for me, but all my top rated and playcounts resetted, which is really disappointing.
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Old 2nd August 2011, 04:35   #64
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We need to know how to reproduce it first, because no-one on the dev or beta team can. It's never happened to any of us.
If someone can provide a definite method of how to reproduce it, then we will hopefully be able to find the cause & fix it.
And that's assuming it's not being caused by some 3rd-party plugin, or even some old component from an older version of Winamp.

In the meantime, use the Winamp Backup Tool to create regular database backups.


And yes, %appdata%\winamp should resolve to eg: C:\Users\[Username]\AppData\Roaming\Winamp
(and AppData is a hidden folder by default, so you'll need to make sure you can view hidden files via Folder Options CP first).
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Old 20th August 2011, 15:09   #65
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thank you...this thread helped me out....just wish it didnt lose all my play count, ratings info but no worries...thank you DJ Egg.....
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Old 20th August 2011, 19:49   #66
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be sure to save ratings to the file! turn on in prefs.

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Old 27th August 2011, 13:08   #67
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Just to note, I had this issue on Windows 7 x64, after a fresh install of Winamp, upon first (forced) reboot. Deleting the main.dat/idx files fixed it, thus I believe such files got corrupted by the forced reboot. If you need further info let me know.

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Old 13th September 2011, 16:43   #68
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be sure to save ratings to the file! turn on in prefs.
I'm a complete noob in winamp and everything but the problem in this topic got to me aswell and now im reading this?!
So you can actually save your ratings to the files automaticly? How (or where, in prefs) do you do that?
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Old 13th September 2011, 16:50   #69
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preferences -> media library -> Advanced Library Preferences -> check 'Save ratings to file for compatible formats (default: off)'.

though you'll need to re-rate the files once that has been enabled to force Winamp to save them into the tags (if supported for the file format). easiest way is to have everything in the library, and then use a smartview to get all of the 1 star, 2 star, etc ratings and re-select the rating after selecting everything in the results.

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Old 13th September 2011, 21:55   #70
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http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=334696

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Old 11th October 2011, 09:33   #71
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Same here

Hi, since yesterday I have the same problem. I changed nothing, not even added a file to my libraray or whatever.

I use Win7 64bit and the pro version of winamp. I have not installed any plugins or whatever.
My winamp autoruns when windows starts up. What I noticed yesterday is that on startup of windows there came this errormessage saying something about an 'illegal character' or something. I didnt pay much attention to it since this didt sound too alarming/serious. I'm not 100% sure if this error message came from winamp. But my systems is pretty stable and I dont normally receive errormessages like these. And I experienced the problem from this thread right after the error message, so I guess there might be the problem.

Hope you guys can fix this bug because it really sucks (over 25,000 ratings lost here - took me years)
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Old 11th October 2011, 10:10   #72
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Backups !!!

A problem can occur at any time anywhere on your computer
that may wipe out user data anywhere on your computer!
Backup everything you can not replace or don't want to take
the time to replace.

Too late now, but the tool linked below works for Winamp stuff
(excluding the actual media files). Use it. It's still in beta, so there
are some bugs. Read the whole thread.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=317153

All machines need PM. Look in your event log on a regular basis
for errors. Run chkdsk on your hard drives on a regular basis.
There are other things you could/should do even if your system
seems stable. Do a web search for PC maintenance tips.
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Old 24th October 2011, 19:39   #73
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Just wanted to say thanks for the fix, and let you know my main.idx file was corrupted after my computer froze and a hard reboot, too. I tried to close winamp first, so it might be possible it was in the middle of updating files when I cut the power. Not sure how helpful this is, but I thought I'd share anyway, just in case.
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We need to know how to reproduce it first, because no-one on the dev or beta team can. It's never happened to any of us.
If someone can provide a definite method of how to reproduce it, then we will hopefully be able to find the cause & fix it.
And that's assuming it's not being caused by some 3rd-party plugin, or even some old component from an older version of Winamp.

In the meantime, use the Winamp Backup Tool to create regular database backups.


And yes, %appdata%\winamp should resolve to eg: C:\Users\[Username]\AppData\Roaming\Winamp
(and AppData is a hidden folder by default, so you'll need to make sure you can view hidden files via Folder Options CP first).
sorry that this is a very old thread but I thought of something the last person said. Maybe it is when it is updating files and it gets corrupt? I always have winamp running (not playing a song but always in the taskbar) and to turn off my computer i put it to sleep. I'm glad I found this thread cuz it happened to me 3 times so far. 2nd and 3rd time i found this thread, 1st time i had to uninstall and remove all the files.
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%appdata%\Winamp\Plugins\ml\main.idx

where %appdata%\Winamp resolves at:
Win2k/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\[Username]\Application Data\Winamp
Vista/Win7: C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Winamp

Note that the appdata folder is hidden by default
so you would need to make sure you can view hidden files & folders first via:
Control Panel -> Folder Options -> View tab

Though just typing %appdata%\winamp into Start -> Run or Windows Explorer address bar will get you there.
Awesome, thanks: that did the trick, though as mentioned it also cleared my library. Fortunately this is on my old laptop, so I should be able to copy the main.idx from the other one. Either way, I'll be backing that up regularly from now on.
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and ensuring you're on a current version of Winamp helps as well -as there have been some hopeful fixes for the issue in v5.64/v5.65 to try to resolve the issue - as the number of reports has dropped since that release so either no one is bothering to report it or the changes have helped...
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Speaking personally, I'm happy with the old version I'm using at the moment, as last time I tried to update, all sorts of stuff went wrong. The old version has yet to cause me any major problems (though I'm sure I'll need to update at some point ), especially as I don't really use any plugins.
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*shrugs*
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Unless of course this turns out to be the start of loads of things going wrong with the old version (it's been so long since I updated I don't actually know which version I'm using: I was using it at least a couple of years before I signed up to this forum in 2009), in which case I'll have to eat my words.
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imo, it is always best to run the latest ver. it contains lots of fixes, you can see the list in the ver history. like he said, it specifically addresses the problem you had, and I can say its a lot better in the last few versions in my own usage.

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