Old 28th January 2002, 01:20   #41
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Sorry

But it's really really getting late here, and i must get up for work tomorrow.

I will come back to this thread tomorrow and continue testing for you.

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Old 28th January 2002, 01:22   #42
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rip with cdex maybe ?
Tried this software, slow peice of ****, never got anywhere with it.

I do think that the problem is NOT file related myself.

Thx for the help, goodnight

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Old 28th January 2002, 01:25   #43
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Gimie,

What version of MMJB are you using to rip and encode? I know you're tired, but would you tomorrow try this, download another ripper like EAC or CDEX.

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de

htt://cdex.n3.net

Rip any cd with either one of this rippers to make a wav.

After that:

1) Download LAME 3.91 stable: http://mitiok.free.fr/lame-3.91.zip
2) Download RazorLAME 1.1.5: http://www.dors.de/razorlame/razorlame.zip
3) Unzip both to the same directory and start RazorLAME.
4) In RazorLAME, go to "Edit" - "Options" and add the path to LAME.EXE
5) In RazorLAME, go to "Edit" - "LAME Options" and select "Expert"
6) In "Custom options", enter: --alt-preset standard
7) Check "Only use custom options".

Encode that wav to mp3 in Razorlame, and play it in 2.78c and does it crash?
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Old 28th January 2002, 01:27   #44
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Gimie,

What version of MMJB are you using to rip and encode? I know you're tired, but would you tomorrow try this, download another ripper like EAC or CDEX.

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de

htt://cdex.n3.net

Rip any cd with either one of this rippers to make a wav.

After that:

1) Download LAME 3.91 stable: http://mitiok.free.fr/lame-3.91.zip
2) Download RazorLAME 1.1.5: http://www.dors.de/razorlame/razorlame.zip
3) Unzip both to the same directory and start RazorLAME.
4) In RazorLAME, go to "Edit" - "Options" and add the path to LAME.EXE
5) In RazorLAME, go to "Edit" - "LAME Options" and select "Expert"
6) In "Custom options", enter: --alt-preset standard
7) Check "Only use custom options".

Encode that wav to mp3 in Razorlame, and play it in 2.78c and does it crash?
Well, at the time, i ripped the music with Musicmatch 6.0.

Will do, do that tomorrow for you, til then.

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Old 28th January 2002, 01:28   #45
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Tried this software, slow peice of ****, never got anywhere with it.
say that again on hydrogenaudio forums, and you will get 50+ people flaming you.
anyway, i still want to see one of those mp3s, because we *still* don't know if they crash other systems too. bleh.
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say that again on hydrogenaudio forums, and you will get 50+ people flaming you.
anyway, i still want to see one of those mp3s, because we *still* don't know if they crash other systems too. bleh.
Ok ok, you win, i will leave this to slowly send you a mp3 that simply loves to crash Winamp 2.78c .

And as for my comment on CDEX, i stand by it, it performed slowly and crashed alot on my machine (never got a mp3 out of it). MusicMatch is on the most part, 100x faster.

I do get what "Wish" is getting at tho, make a PERFECT mp3 to find out if Winamp is simply crashing because of the file, or the O/S.

Nice and simple, sending file now.

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I find these crashes really strange and baffling because I've played Xing, FhG, LAME, Blade encoded mp3s on WinXP with 2.77, 2.78 & 2.78c and it never ever crashes.
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Btw, if you're gonna use CDEX, see the attachment below and set it like in the screenshot. Do not change the Read Sectors or CD Speed to whats shown in the screenshot, set Ripping Method to Paranoia, Full and tick Use Native NT SCSI library.
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I find these crashes really strange and baffling because I've played Xing, FhG, LAME, Blade encoded mp3s on WinXP with 2.77, 2.78 & 2.78c and it never ever crashes.
Damn that upload killed me, took 20mins lol.

I get what your saying Wish, i totally agree with you, in Windows 98, i had NO problems what so ever.

Now i'm on XP, it's a completely different ballgame, but my friends pc with Windows XP works with it, that's not fair .

Maybe it's because he's on home edition and i'm on pro edition?

I've heard and read that Winamp has alot of problems with Windows 2000, and being XP is built on a 2000 enviroment, doe's this apply too?

My source for Winamp being unstable on Windows 2000 coming from Winamp heaven.

I thought by now Winamp would have been 100% XP, 2k compatible.

Also on another note, i see the picture format .png being used everywhere now, what is it?

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Old 28th January 2002, 02:18   #50
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No, Winamp is being developed on Win2k, there should not be any compatability problems with it on WinXP and I also use WinXP Pro.

PNG is a superior format compared to GIF. It's patent free and royalty free, can be either 8bit or 24bit colour, has full support for alpha transparency, fully supported in many applications and smaller in file size compared with GIF.

http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/
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i'm running win2k with no problems, Wish is running xp. messed up filenames with international characters are probably the biggest pain on 2k/xp; from what i hear xp is worse than 2k, mostly because of buggy soundcard drivers. which email account did you send it to ? blorp one or hotmail one ? hotmail doesn't accept files bigger than 2 meg if i remember correctly
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Damn i noticed, lol

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i'm running win2k with no problems, Wish is running xp. messed up filenames with international characters are probably the biggest pain on 2k/xp; from what i hear xp is worse than 2k, mostly because of buggy soundcard drivers. which email account did you send it to ? blorp one or hotmail one ? hotmail doesn't accept files bigger than 2 meg if i remember correctly

haha, another plug
Damn, i accidently sent it to the hotmail one, doh, what a waste of my time.

Maybe another time, i still don't understand why my XP is playing up, is there any settings in XP that can make Winamp unstable, or any programs?

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Old 28th January 2002, 02:42   #53
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Wayhey. So, ya took my advice Gimie....
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=972735976

I asked him to bring it here rather than there, because I too am convinced that the problem is system specific, but damn, where've I been for the past 2 hours?
. . . (watching a movie) . . . looks like I'm a bit late on this one (it's 2:45am in UK at the mo, yeah, I'm tired too)

I'm also still convinced that this can't be a Winamp bug, otherwise it would affect all WinXP users, but I'm more inclined to believe it's a WinXP bug, possibly soundcard driver related?

Aureal Vortex 2 Soundcard - (Latest drivers, fixes and patches)
Matrox G400 Graphics card

What about motherboard/chipset details?
Is it a Via Chipset by any chance? eg.
http://www.vortexofsound.com/techhelp/th-v2a80.htm

Latest Aureal drivers are made by CreativeLabs, so anything's possible.

You've got a bad combination there, Aureal & Matrox.
Are the drivers definitely the latest ones & WinXP approved/certified?


btw, in in_mp3 config, try setting "show average bitrate for vbr" (decoder tab)

Also, try turning down "decode thread priority" to "higher" in General tab.
(default setting = highest & could cause problems if you're running a lot of apps, particularly any cpu-intensive ones)


Are all the problem files either vbr (variable bitrate) or encoded with XingEnc?
(MMJB uses XingEnc, the worst/buggiest mp3 encoder of them all)
Peter/Wish: could this have anything to do with FHg/VBRI headers?

There's been a lot of changes made to in_mp3.dll since v2.65
Not only was ID3v2 support added, but 2.65 still used old Nitrane Decoder, whereas 2.666 and above use Fraunhofer-based decoder.
Check 2.78's whatsnew.txt for full details of all changes & bugfixes between 2.65 - 2.78

Also, have you tried using different output plugins? eg. switch from WaveOut to DirectSound (preferably one of Peter's from wa2update)

Also, from the troubleshooters I posted in my first post back on page 1:
Make sure Winamp's process priority is set to normal (prefs -> options)
And, if relevant, make sure plugin priority is "normal" too (prefs -> plug-ins)


Anyway, there's plenty to work on here, especially after Wish & Peter got their teeth dug into ya, hehe. So, let's see if Peter comes up with anything from the mp3 you sent him. The suspense is killin' me.

[Edit] Doh! Just seen your last post!



[Edit2]

btw, the problem outlined on winampheaven relates to this one only:

From: The Official Winamp 2x Bug List

Latest updates : 07/10/01 +

Win2k/XP random shutdown problem (with drag+drop files from Open Files Dialog)
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61560
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61748
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61833
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61863
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61955
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=67283

Similar problem using Rt click -> Enqueue in Open Files dialog
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=62127

As long as ya don't drag+drop or enqueue from Open Files Dialog, then there aren't any problems. This is also a Win2k/XP-specific bug, not a Winamp one (it happens with other apps too). But hopefully there's a workaround/fix on the horizon
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Old 28th January 2002, 10:30   #54
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Well, without a log, I have no clue which mp3s are crashing it.

AMD 900MHZ, 256M ram, WinME (yuck), ATI AllInWonder Radeon 32MDDR,
SBLive Platinum 5.1. Xing & Lame encoders.

I just wish there was a way to get to the bottom of this.

The last stable winamp upgrade I had was YEARS ago...

They come out, I upgrade, I downgrade.

The new one also seems to like to crash when I have tons of IE windows open.
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Felling your pain clint!

Only difference between me and you, is Winamp worked flawlessly on Windows 9x, and not so good on XP.

I damn well wanna get to the bottom of this!

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Old 28th January 2002, 10:51   #56
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Wayhey. So, ya took my advice Gimie....
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=972735976

I asked him to bring it here rather than there, because I too am convinced that the problem is system specific, but damn, where've I been for the past 2 hours?
. . . (watching a movie) . . . looks like I'm a bit late on this one (it's 2:45am in UK at the mo, yeah, I'm tired too)
Yeah i live in UK too, so it was getting very late for me, sorry about betanews, wasn't suppose to be a debate, just stating a few problems that i was having with the latest Winamp, wasn't expecting as great of responce from this forum then i recieved .

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I'm also still convinced that this can't be a Winamp bug, otherwise it would affect all WinXP users, but I'm more inclined to believe it's a WinXP bug, possibly soundcard driver related?
A Windows XP bug is a Winamp bug too , not in the sence that Winamp is to blame for the problem, but in the sence that somehow somewhere Windows XP is screwing around with a handfull of happy Winamp fans .

Aureal Vortex 2 Soundcard - (Latest drivers, fixes and patches)
Matrox G400 Graphics card

Quote:
What about motherboard/chipset details?
Is it a Via Chipset by any chance? eg.
http://www.vortexofsound.com/techhelp/th-v2a80.htm
My motherboard is 2 years old, and tho i am aware of problems with VIA, i've got a intel BX chipset instead. I've got the latest Flash update (if this would make a diffence anyway)

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Latest Aureal drivers are made by CreativeLabs, so anything's possible.
Really? None of my original drivers worked in XP, since Aureal was sued for every penny they had back in 1999. Drivers from that point were no longer made to my knowledge, i managed to grab some from a company who devised their own last minute drivers for Windows 2000.

So yes, i am using Windows 2000 drivers for my soundcard. But why would my soundcard or graphics card be the problem at hand?

Surely if Winamp 2.65 works flawlessly with them both, then the rest of the Winamp series should not have a problem, and if they did, then this should be addressed.

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You've got a bad combination there, Aureal & Matrox.
Are the drivers definitely the latest ones & WinXP approved/certified?
Latest everything, again read above.

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btw, in in_mp3 config, try setting "show average bitrate for vbr" (decoder tab)

Also, try turning down "decode thread priority" to "higher" in General tab.
(default setting = highest & could cause problems if you're running a lot of apps, particularly any cpu-intensive ones)
Will do


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Are all the problem files either vbr (variable bitrate) or encoded with XingEnc?
(MMJB uses XingEnc, the worst/buggiest mp3 encoder of them all)
Peter/Wish: could this have anything to do with FHg/VBRI headers?
Yet again, i don't see a pattern of crashing that would go towards this theory.

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There's been a lot of changes made to in_mp3.dll since v2.65
Not only was ID3v2 support added, but 2.65 still used old Nitrane Decoder, whereas 2.666 and above use Fraunhofer-based decoder.
Check 2.78's whatsnew.txt for full details of all changes & bugfixes between 2.65 - 2.78
The change of decoder is certainly something to look at, since from 2.666 the problems accure.

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Also, have you tried using different output plugins? eg. switch from WaveOut to DirectSound (preferably one of Peter's from wa2update)
I don't really understand how the plug-ins work in Winamp, does Winamp use every plug-in in its lists, or do you the user pick a selective one?

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Also, from the troubleshooters I posted in my first post back on page 1:
Make sure Winamp's process priority is set to normal (prefs -> options)
And, if relevant, make sure plugin priority is "normal" too (prefs -> plug-ins)


Anyway, there's plenty to work on here, especially after Wish & Peter got their teeth dug into ya, hehe. So, let's see if Peter comes up with anything from the mp3 you sent him. The suspense is killin' me.

[Edit] Doh! Just seen your last post!
Don't worry, i will send again tonight, i don't see that coming up with anything tho .



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[Edit2]

btw, the problem outlined on winampheaven relates to this one only:

From: The Official Winamp 2x Bug List
Ah! Understood.

Quote:
Latest updates : 07/10/01 +

Win2k/XP random shutdown problem (with drag+drop files from Open Files Dialog)
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61560
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61748
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61833
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61863
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=61955
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=67283

Similar problem using Rt click -> Enqueue in Open Files dialog
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=62127

As long as ya don't drag+drop or enqueue from Open Files Dialog, then there aren't any problems. This is also a Win2k/XP-specific bug, not a Winamp one (it happens with other apps too). But hopefully there's a workaround/fix on the horizon
Have encountered none of this bugs/problems what so ever, that all works fine.

BTW - Did the Watson log acturally tell you anything about the crashing what so ever? Or even any little bugs?

Chat to you all later.

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Yeehaw!

Just like i suspected!

We are looking at more then 1 problem here, there's like about 5 bugs overlapping each other, thus it's very hard to make clear what's going on.

I just investigated and found a bug with the VBR, as i said before, 2.65 just plays VBR corrupt files with no problem what so ever, for example, if a mp3 i had was set at a birate of 192kps, Winamp 2.65 would show this from start to finish.

Not the case with 2.78c or any other version obove 2.65. The birate starts at 128kps, then moves itself up to 192kps as the song plays, IF the song is left untouched, it will 8 times out of 10, play perfectly.

BUT, if i skip thru the song to lets say 1min, then 2min, or even scan back 10secs while the birate is still moving towards 192kps, Winamp WILL CRASH.

Tried the experiment 3 times in a row now, all result in crashing.

Now if this problem also applied to songs with bad encoding, which you get alot these days, then this would be a big problem for me and clint.

It must still be a few bugs left in the Fraunhofer-based decoder.

Interesting stuff.

OK, i think i'm getting this clear, all i want is my Winamp to play without crashing, while still having the new ID3v2 support that 2.666 and up offers.

Is there anyway i could go back to the old Nitrate decoder v2.65 uses, by telling Winamp 2.78c to use it, That way i should get no crashing, and have ID3v2 support too .

Now i know this don't help you, because you are very interested in what's going on with Winamp, but i will still help you on that one, cuz i'mm very interested as well .

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Some useful information on mp3

Below, a picture attacted of the song that crashed in Winamp during the scanning test.

Thx to encspot.

Also, OFF TOPIC, how comes even well telling Winamp 2.78c to not accoasiate it's self with music files, it still steals them off 2.65?

I've un-hightled all file accosiates, and turned off maintaing them, and still 2.78c demands to be default player over 2.65, what's up with that!?

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Argh!

OK, one last try at this confusing mess!

Driving me insane with the amount of possibilties that could be wrong with it.

I was thinking that because explorer.exe (whne busy) seemed to like crashing Winamp, i thought it might be Winamp is crashing because there are no resources left, i mean, i'm only on a slow ass computer.

So i closed everything down and played Winamp, only thing running was what Windows XP needs to run and Winamp itself.

Winamp run FINE, no problems for 5 songs in a row, most stable i've ever seen it, then i thought, why not fire up a game and check!?

Well, 5 mins into the game and POW, Winamp crashed again!

I seriously think there is a problem with Winamp and resource hungry programs, such as 3D games etc... etc...

As i've always said before, 2.65 runs perfect no matter how much shit i put it thru.

And as an attactment, some evidence to back it up, this song i was playing, was checked out perfect by encspot, and MP3Utility, and over the next 3 posts, i will show you a picture of the results.

There's no reason why this mp3 would crash, unless Winamp is unstable in Windows XP itself with a slow computer.

I'm sure you guys all have fast pcs, so its hard to notice stuff like this maybe?

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My last post for at least 6 hours.

What in the hell is going on with Winamp
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again, which output plugin are you using ? try switching to DirectSound (preferences / plugins / output). i don't believe that mp3 files are to blame, it sounds rather like a problem with vortex drivers for winxp (which are known to suck badly). can you try getting another soundcard ?
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again, which output plugin are you using ? try switching to DirectSound (preferences / plugins / output). i don't believe that mp3 files are to blame, it sounds rather like a problem with vortex drivers for winxp (which are known to suck badly). can you try getting another soundcard ?
Again, i repeat, i'm using the "Default" plug-ins that Winamp is setup with, every setting is at Default, nothings been changed or edited, what you get is what the setup.exe installed .

And again, i ask the question that slipped by you, how do i know which plug-in is being used? How many plug-ins can be used at 1 time?

Is the main plug-in in use, simply by highlighting it?

I'm buying a new sound card as soon as possible, but i again ask, isn't it a bad thing that 2.78c would not work with my soundcard, but 2.65 would, isn't that like taking a step back?

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try switching to DirectSound (preferences / plugins / output).
which part of the sentence above you do not understand ?
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Old 28th January 2002, 20:04   #65
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Yes Gimie, it's only Input and General Purpose plugins that are always active, ie. you don't have to select/hi-lite them.
With Output plugins (also DSP and Vis plugins), whichever one is selected/highlighted becomes active (ok, it's slightly different for vis plugins, 'cos you still have to click "start" for the selected one).

So, basically, at the mo you've got WaveOut selected as Output.
This means that Winamp is using your soundcard drivers to process the sound.
Seeing you're using old Win2k drivers on WinXP, this is not recommended and is bound to cause problems.
DirectSound Output uses Micro$oft's DirectX drivers instead (like WMP does)

The newer MP3 decoder (2.666+) includes a lot of features that old in_mp3.dll ignored/couldn't process, eg. vbr support, id3v2, amongst many other features/fixes.
If your audio drivers aren't capable of processing what winamp requires to play these files, then you're going to experience problems.
You must use WinXP drivers in WinXP.
Naturally, corrupt MP3's don't help the issue either.

I'll now check out all those attachments, plus I'll go look to see if I can find you some Aureal Vortex drivers for WinXP. Though I reckon by getting a new soundcard, all your troubles will go away.


As for using a plugin which will support ID3v2, well you can't do this with pre 2.666 Nullsoft in_mp3.dll

There are alternative MPEG Audio Decoder plugins, but I've never tried any of them personally.

in_mpg123 plug-in, by Shibatch:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Technopol...in_mpg123.html
in_mpg123 plug-in, by Shibatch and YunaSoft:
http://www.yunasoft.gr.jp/anime/download.html

Those links might be dead, not sure . . . if so, try these:

latest in_mpg123 (supports unicode)
http://www.aikis.or.jp/~otachan/in_mpg123.html
http://www.mpg123.de/


MAD (MPEG Audio Decoder) plug-in, by Robert Leslie:
http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/mad-plugin/

Though to be honest, I don't recommend any of these.
Then again, I don't have any problems with the default plugin.

Talkin' of which, did you make those adjustments I mentioned above?
Especially the priority settings!

From whatsnew.txt

Winamp 2.71
* in_mp3: improved mp3 decoder sync (byte level sync, better checking)
fixed id3v2 rare writing bug
fixed in_mp3 visualization bug
made "highest" the default text for in_mp3

Make sure it's set to "higher", or even try "normal" (not: highest) and definitely use DirectSound Output when multitasking/playing games.
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Old 28th January 2002, 20:33   #66
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Okay . . . I'm starting a new post . . . I've edited the above one so many times that it's turning into a mini novel

Another thing worth mentioning:

You've got v2.65 installed in the default dir, yes?
C:\Program Files\Winamp\

And v2.78 installed in another dir
C:\Program Files\Winamp278

When you installed Peter's wa2update patch (tell me you did)
did you make sure it got installed into the 2.78 dir?
Otherwise, it will've been installed to the default Winamp dir
(ie. v2.65 got updated, not v2.78)


Also, Winamp shouldn't be stealing file associations/extensions.
Make sure Winamp 2.78 Agent is disabled
Prefs -> Setup -> Agent: uncheck all 3 options.

Prefs -> Setup -> Filetypes: click "select none"
Uncheck: register files on Winamp start.

WA 2.65
Remake associations.
Everything should now stick.

Though naturally, we'd all be happier (yourself included) if there was no need for WA2.65
Hopefully our suggestions above will help you to fix 2.78
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Old 28th January 2002, 21:25   #67
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I understood all of it

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which part of the sentence above you do not understand ?
I just wanted a more detailed explaination of plug-ins, which DJ so kindly gave me

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Old 28th January 2002, 21:32   #68
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Will reply later

Will reply in detail later on, but for now i think i understand.

Under XP, with the current soundcard i got, Winamp 2.78c is screwed, no problem, i'll just use 2.65 til i get a new one then

Thx for all the help

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Old 28th January 2002, 23:43   #69
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Get your Aureal Vortex drivers for WinXP here:
http://www.vortexofsound.com/drivers/drivers.htm
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Err DJEgg,

By default WinXP already installs the latest Vortex drivers for WinXP.
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Old 29th January 2002, 00:23   #71
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And you know for sure they haven't been updated since then ?!?!
There's obviously an incompatibility issue, and surely a fix exists.
If not then I give in.

As per usual, it's all CreativeLabs' fault anyway

Aureal - www.a3d.com = still up for sale
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Those drivers are VortexofSound were taken from WinXP final and repacked by them. M$ wrote those Vortex drivers specifically for WinXP as they gotten the sourcecode from Creative who owns Aureal now.
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sucks, doesn't it ?!?!
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Err no ;)

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Err DJEgg,

By default WinXP already installs the latest Vortex drivers for WinXP.
The default drivers installed by Windows XP for Aureal Vortex Cards totally suck, they make the sound card only work at 10% it's Ability.

For example, i had to have my (really powerful) amp turned to max just hear faint sounds, what aload of crap and a waste of speakers.

I accept it tho, time for a new soundcard, soundlabs anyone?

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Thx

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Get your Aureal Vortex drivers for WinXP here:
http://www.vortexofsound.com/drivers/drivers.htm
Yeah thanks, i've tried all these solutions before, if you ask me it's too much hardwork just to get a Soundcard, well past it's sell by date to work.

I'm switching to Windows 2000 tomorrow anyway, getting fed up of XP and it's problems.

Basically, that means my pc is too OLD and thus i must buy all new parts to get the latest working perfect drivers to work with a new O.S.

Dispite getting the latest drivers for most my hardware, XP still crashs anyway, oh dear .

I think my debate is over, but still, what about clint?

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you didn't try directsound did you ? if it messes up on directsound too, that would be sort of proof that soundcard is not to blame.
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Well i'm currently installing Windows 2000 and uninstalled 2.78c anyway.

Will keep you posted if i have any problems with it in 2000 as i did with XP.

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Still no fix.

I'd like to continue this thread by saying still, winamp is absolutely NOT stable.

I have tried all the new versions, even 2.80A, but am "stuck" at 2.65 or 2.64. (Even it likes to crash, if I have virtualdub running doing a video capture at the same time--which works just fine and doesn't drop frames, as a side-note.) (Winamp controls the music for my whole house, but the same computer is my personal video recorder.)

Anyway, What can I do to make winamp more stable?

Asking what encoder I use is not jermaine to the situation; I download other people's mp3s too. I usually reencode them with Xing or Lame, but not always. Winamp should play any mp3, period.

Asking what tagger I use is not relevant either; if winamp crashes due to a bad tag, that is a crash due to unexpected input. One of the very most basic principles of programming and computer science is to expect the unexpected, and to trap all unexpected input, and NOT to crash on unexpected input!

I have plugins installed, but franky winamp usually runs in my tray. I go to bed every night, and it is very unlikely it will still be running in the morning. I can't sleep in silence; if I wake up and winamp is crashed, it is either silence (so I must turn on the TV), or it is crashed and repeating the same second of audio over and over (so I must go downstairs and reboot my machine).

I'd like to have dumps of my crashes sent to developers so they can tell me just what is causing it.

I've used at least 15 different winamp versions on at least 3 different cpu/motherboard combinations with at least 3 different sounds cards, and 3 different OSes. Winamp is not happy under any set of circumstances.

I've even considered switching to .. shudder .. windows media player.

Cmon guys, instead of adding more bloating features to winamp, why not make it WORK?

My cd player broke. I don't own a working cd player anymore. I am 100% dependent on winamp. I have 13000 mp3s on random. I need this thing to work!

Please... offer me solutions.

Athlon 900mHz, KT7-RAID mobo, winME, Creative SBLive 5.1, latest DirectX, ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon.

Programms usually running: Virtualdub, Trillian, 4DOS.
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As far as I'm concerned, Winamp can only be as stable as the sytem it's installed on. If the system is unstable, then naturally Winamp will be unstable as well.
FYI, over 90% of Winamp users don't experience any problems with Winamp whatsoever. I know I don't (then again, I don't use any potentially dodgy/incompatible 3rd-party plugins like you), and I'm pretty sure if you posted a poll in the General Discussions forum asking is Winamp stable or not, 99% of the votes would be for "yes".

Now, this particular thread is full to brim with some very useful information and tips. It would be nice if you could confirm whether you've tried any of the suggested fixes etc.

Firstly, have you tried removing ALL of the 3rd-party plugins, particularly the gen_*.dll & dsp_*.dll files? A fair few of these are known to be buggy and many of them can be incompatible with the newer versions of Winamp.

If you can confirm that the problems exist with just the default install of Winamp (using the uninstall->reinstall procedure as outlined in my very first post in this thread) then at least we can rule out the possibility of it being a 3rd-party plugin-related issue.

If the problems persist, you should then install Peter's very latest wa2update patch (updated May 2002 - same url as on page 1)


As for sys specs, I run Winamp with no problems whatsoever, never, on an
AMD K6-2 500MHz, 256MB SDRAM, WinME, SBLive 5.1 (yeah yeah Wish/Peter, I got one, but it was very cheap), Voodoo3, 80Gb HDD (uDMA), DX 8.1
I've got over 2000 MP3 (various encoders; some CBR, some VBR; some with ID3v2 tags, some without) and MOD files in my playlist, and Winamp never crashes. I can leave it playing for hours on end.
So, what does this suggest to you?

Sure, everyone wants to be able to just install software and have it work flawlessly without having to change settings or update drivers etc etc, but sometimes this is necessary. Basic software program installations cannot fix your Windows OS or drivers if there's a problem beyond the range of the software's capabilities.

Okay, I don't use VirtualDub, but I don't have many problems with Multitasking... and if/when I do, it's usually some other crappy program or game which crashes, not Winamp (WinME memory management is lousy, I had to install RamBooster to put it right, maybe you should give it a try?)


Back to the matter at hand...

Can you confirm that the problem is with in_mp3.dll
eg. after installation of latest Winamp, copy in_mp3.dll to a backup dir, reinstall 2.65, then put 2.80a in_mp3.dll into Winamp\Plugins dir.
Does this cause the problems?

Does the problem occur with both WaveOut and DirectSound Output plugins?
(see above posts for extra details)

Have you checked www.soundblaster.com/drivers for updated SBLive/WinME drivers? (regardless of v2.65 working ok, but not newer versions. Again, see posts above)

I'd really love to get your Winamp working properly again, but you've got to be prepared to help us first so we can then help you. Agreed ?!


ps. what's 4DOS ??

pps. btw, it wasn't me who moved this from WA2 Bugs forum....
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Okay, I'll try your way. :)

Okay, now that I've found this post again, I'm ready to start trying to fix this for real. Years of pain must end!

Mr. DJEgg, you sound like you know what you're talking about, so I'll try some of your suggestions.

I've already installed RamBooster as per your suggestion. Virtualdub eats ram like crazy (video compression, compressing 5G files into 200M files constnatly). (Had tried something similar called FreeRam recently.)

And I'm going to run that mp3Utility sometime soon, but keep in mind I have about 15,000 mp3s. I think my computer generally isn't up long enough to test them all. I'll have to spend a day doing that.

I've also downloaded the wa2update.exe, but I wont install it just yet, otherwise I'll never be able to determine if it helps or not. Unless you think I should just go ahead.

And true, my system is not stable at all, but winamp doesn't survive as long as my system does. My other computer gets 10 week uptime but has no sound card.

Maybe if you could help guide me through this I could get to the bottom of this once and for all... Best-case scenario, I find a bug that no one else has found, it gets fixed, and winamp is finally stable.

====

Okay, I nuked my old winamp. I removed it with control panel (renamed rather than deleted the old winamp directory -- to keep it as a backup in case I want to revert), and deleted c:\windows\winamp.ini, which I never even knew existed. I reinstalled Winamp 2.80. This time I'm not allowing anonymous usage stats! Call me paranoid but what if that's what's been crashing it all this time?

Normally after a fresh winamp install I go and mess with all the settings but this time I'm just going to leave most things as default. However, I am disabling winamp agent. Bleach.

I am using the WAVOut output plugin for the time being.

????? QUESTION: should I use Device "Wave Mapper" (DEFAULT:Recommended) or "SB Live! Wave Out (AC00)"? Does it really matter?

????? Another question: A Visualization plugin I use, punkie, is still installed and usable! But Vis_punkie is not in my winamp directory! How is this even possible?!?!?!? I've even run the uninstaller, and renamed the .DLLs......(But haven't rebooted yet). This is freaky. However, winamp never crashes while punkie is running. Other than that, all 3rd party plugins are gone gone gone. As much as I like them I like listening to music better.

Do you need my system specs? I'll imitate what you said but substitute my stats in, we are actually a bit similar:
AMD Athlon 900mHz, 256M RAM, WinMe, SBLive Platinum 5.1 with livedrive, ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon, 40G, 60G, 80G, and 120G harddrives, Linksys Ethernet(YUCK), I've got over 15000 mp3s (various encoders, some CBR, some VBR, some with id3v2 tags, some without) and MOD and WAV files in my playlist, only WINAMP NEVER SURVIVES 24 HOURS .

I'm going to check SB's site for sound drivers. However, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO UPGRADE THEM... it took me MONTHS to get a videocapture with correct sound working, due to the infamous and well-documented SB Live 5.1 / Via Southbridge Port conflict -- SBLive overuses PCI bus which only hurts with video card is ALSO using PCI bus which apparantly only occurs during video capture (5G of video+audio data every 30 minutes) and creates crackly sound which ruins all video encodes. I had to tweak my bios for months to get it right, as well as try some black magic programs (Memory Interleave Enabler For Via Chipsets & 1 other with similar name). Finally I could get flawless sound in my video captures and I really don't want to break that.

To answer your question, 4DOS is a command-line. Like command.com, only worth the effort. Aliases, tab-filename-completion, extra functions, as powerful as any unix shell. I use my windows box like a linux user would use their linux box. I don't pick up my trackball except when I have to. And I don't have a monitor, I use my computer exclusively on my 36' TV. (Just as a side-note.)

Anyway, I plan to check back more frequently. IE every couple days instead of waiting over a year. I was surprised the thread was still alive.

I'm gonna let it run all night tonight. We'll see if it survives to the morning.
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