Old 6th February 2010, 14:45   #1
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diacritics not properly ignored/sorted

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i have some Husker Du tracks, some have the diacritics over the U, some don't. the ones that do come first in the albumartist (large icon artwork) listing, then huey lewis, then humble pie, then the husker du's without diacritics.

first:

Hüsker Dü

huey lewis
humble pie

second:

Husker Du

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Old 9th February 2010, 03:13   #2
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Old 9th February 2010, 15:52   #3
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I think that's by design.

The only relevant change that was made back in v5.55 was:

* Improved: [ml_local] Media Library searches now ignore diacritics

which made searches for e.g. Bjork return all results for Bjork & Björk
or searches for Björk return all results for Björk & Bjork.
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Old 10th February 2010, 08:43   #4
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hmmm, well, ok, but shouldn't the sorting be such that the two are next to each other?

in other words, if winamp is to differentiate them, i can live with that: but they should not be separated by huey lewis and humble pie in between them; see what i mean?

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Old 11th February 2010, 22:36   #5
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If you spoke German, you might think otherwise
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Old 11th February 2010, 22:48   #6
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Re: diacritics not properly ignored/sorted

Benski,

are you saying that this:

Quote:
Originally posted by MrSinatra
first:

Hüsker Dü

huey lewis
humble pie

second:

Husker Du
...is, in fact, the proper sorting method for German?

if so, perhps sorting method should depend on which translation one uses? (because i don't think its correct for english)

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Old 11th February 2010, 22:57   #7
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Hmm,
on second thought, it's sorting slightly differently for me. What does the tag editor (alt+3) show for that track?

My guess - one of your files is tagged as Huesker Due, which is string-matching for Hüsker Dü.
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i did a direct copy and paste from my winamp ML tag editor to the post here in the forums.

if you look closely at what i posted, the first Hüsker Dü has the diacrtics, then other bands named "hu..." then the second husker du without diacritics.

so take your "Indica" album, and temporarily make TPE2=Husker Du (without the diacritics since your Husker Du has them) and you will see the problem, esp if you switch to "Large Icon" albumart.

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Old 12th February 2010, 15:04   #9
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Still works fine. Like I said, check the tags of all the files that are listed under Hüsker Dü and see if one of them happens to be Huesker instead of Hüsker. If everything is as it seems, then I have one more theory but let's make sure the tags are OK first.
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Benski,

sorry for my delay but i was away from my music and the blizzard here didn't help.

however, i don't see, and never saw, any "huesker" du's in my tags or filenames. i did check with both winamp and mp3tag prior to posting my previous posts.

what i do see, is what i illustrate in the attached screenshot, and i will be astounded if you can't reproduce the issue.

(btw, in my testing the TPE1 field seems to have no impact at all on sorting for the TPE2 field, even regarding this issue, which is what i would expect)

please see the screenshot:

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Old 18th February 2010, 20:42   #11
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Benski?

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Old 18th February 2010, 21:32   #12
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Quote:
Originally posted by MrSinatra

first:

Hüsker Dü

huey lewis
humble pie

second:

Husker Du
Not sure this is correct under any scheme is it?
Hü should come after Hu I think, at least according to ASCII.

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also, something else thats really weird...

for me, diacritics Hüsker Dü always comes first, then the one without as per my screenshot.

looking at Benski's SS however, his is the opposite! ...even though we both sort with the triangle facing up. (meaning A to Z with A at the top, Z at the bottom)

i don't even have a theory for why that may be.

Benski???

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