Old 23rd September 2002, 22:49   #1
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who's your drug dealer?

There is an interesting notion floating inside the recent anti-drug epic, Traffic, that basically states:

The difficulty of blacks living in urban ghettos to move up the social latter is compounded by the perception that they are all drug dealers. Several times each day a non-dealing black male living in a poor or violent neighborhood might be asked if he is selling drugs; might he not see the daily occurance as a money making opportunity and be more inclined to deal drugs than if he, either lived under better conditions, or was not asked at all?

Ex: a kid comes up to you as you hang out at the local park

KID: hey man are you selling?
YOU: No, get lost.

Now lets add the fact that this happens 8-10 a day for a month.
You decide that you can get the drugs cheap from your friend and resell it to these kids pretty easily.. without any hassle from your parents, teachers, or the police. You would be a fool not to get into the business.. no?


How is the drug problem restricting social mobility for people who live in poor urban areas?

What is the motivation to work your ass off in order to pay college tuition and to find the time to actually attend classes when selling drugs is so accessible and profitable, not to mention relatively easy?

What solutions can you think of that might eleviate the problem?

How might you feel if you were asked regularly if you were a drug dealer?

Would it change your perception of the types of people who were asking you?

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Old 23rd September 2002, 23:08   #2
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As the work of such peeps as asch and crutchfield conclude, all depends on the certain subjects level of own personal conformity; If apparently most of the other black men are making use of this money making scheme, why cant I? they dont get caught, so why should i think i will?
Unforunately cant really answer this question without justifying my answer, seeing as its up to how strong the particular individuals morals are.
If they were constantly being approached as they were thought to be drug dealers, this might affect a dramatic change in behavioural attitude, such as dress sense and the like, in fear of not wanting to be repeatedly harassed by the long arm of the law askins to "empty your pockets".
Basically amongst other things, but generally in most cases films give off this impression to the rest of the world, I dont live i America but do get the general feeling urban = pure drug fueled, or at LEAST in some way criminal related.
Youve raised alot of issues bop, but at the mo cant be bothered to ansa em all, in fact i think i aint answered one, just muttered on, ahhhh well.
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Old 24th September 2002, 02:51   #3
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my drug dealer is Dr. Feelgood. yeah. i didnt read your post, but you were asking about my dealer. oh ill be right back. thanks.wow that's good stuff. i just got another shipment. this guy's been in business since 1989. pretty amazing, huh?

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Old 24th September 2002, 03:01   #4
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1st in a series of XERXES "OMG, thats Totally un-PC" posts

The solution to the drug problem is simple- enact a super strict Draconian law that comes into effect 3 years after it is legislated- the punishment for posession of Tobacco, MJ, Heroin and friends would be lethal injection.

Enforcing this punishment/eloquent metaphor to the letter would solve widespread drug use- and as far as i'm concerned, esp. for people using heavier drugs, it is a case of the government giving drug users what they really want.

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Old 24th September 2002, 04:43   #5
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well put x. but i have to say this:

man, that was so un-pc!!!
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Old 24th September 2002, 05:03   #6
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Yes. Yes it was, damn cracka!
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Old 24th September 2002, 08:16   #7
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Re: 1st in a series of XERXES "OMG, thats Totally un-PC" posts

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The solution to the drug problem is simple- enact a super strict Draconian law that comes into effect 3 years after it is legislated- the punishment for posession of Tobacco, MJ, Heroin and friends would be lethal injection.

Enforcing this punishment/eloquent metaphor to the letter would solve widespread drug use- and as far as i'm concerned, esp. for people using heavier drugs, it is a case of the government giving drug users what they really want.

Ohhhhh i'm liking this.
I was just going to say "shoot 'em all ".

The only way to really better the society would be to get rid of the drugs...
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Old 24th September 2002, 08:31   #8
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i can honestly say i do not know any black drug dealers. my brother does though

the ones i do know are white (mostly white) korean and mexican. they are all good people too for the most part. easy going and up beat. i dont know who supplies them though and that little detail i could care less about.

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Old 24th September 2002, 09:42   #9
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Heartless!

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The only way to really better the society would be to get rid of the drugs...
You can't work on removing drugs, but you can remove demand.
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but demand doesn't like to be removed. You could up the levels of policing in the area, decreasing the amount of drugs.

Or show requiem for a dream on big screens in the area. That could get rid of some of the demand.
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Old 24th September 2002, 09:58   #11
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I'm guessing X is in favour of having a giant sharpened metal blades shoot out the the steering wheels of cars people crash. It would make you think twice before going too fast wouldn't it.

As for drug dealers, it would definatly depend on your morals and what drug you intended on selling and your view on the harm it would cause. Some would say that dealing in weed isn't harmful, no-one ever died from it and the social side effects are negligable compared to the effects of other legalised drugs. If that's your train of thought then I suppose there wouldn't be much resistance to becomming a dealer. Also if you live in a country where weed is 'less' illegal (uk) you'd probably think that the chances of being caught are slim to start with.

Harder drugs might be a much bigger step for someone to take, depending on how hard the person thought about the issues that arise and their education level.

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Heartless!

Or threaten demand with the death penalty - and then cancel all future PBS programming and use it to air the executions on a continuous 24 commercial free stream.

You would all love to live in my America... >:-)
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Re: Heartless!

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Or threaten demand with the death penalty - and then cancel all future PBS programming and use it to air the executions on a continuous 24 commercial free stream.

You would all love to live in my America... >:-)
yeah thats a thought. or we could flatten cloumbia and parts of canada strike the meth vans and hydroponic production facilities and offer drug uesers help instead of jail.

producers go to jail.

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Old 24th September 2002, 10:27   #14
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Die die die

You were on a roll there WF until you got to the help part

The idea of setting the entire country of columbia on fire is... intoxicating.

I suppose the whole world would slow and have an incredible urge for doritos for a week or so after that event...
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Old 24th September 2002, 11:00   #15
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xerxes, you are starting to scare me now
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Old 24th September 2002, 11:11   #16
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Old 24th September 2002, 11:33   #17
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i know. it's still scary.

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you can't bring yourself to swear though...
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