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View Poll Results: Discusion on handhelds
Nokia Ngage 2 9.52%
Nintendo DS 7 33.33%
Sony PSP 4 19.05%
DS and PSP will each find their niches, split about 50/50 8 38.10%
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Old 5th September 2004, 09:21   #41
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Because the format can house movies music and games?

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Old 5th September 2004, 09:24   #42
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Because the format can house movies music and games?
Any type of data storage can. They dont call hard drives "Universal Storage Devicceeeee!!1"

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Old 5th September 2004, 09:33   #43
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dunno - if they can make it so most of the DS games have something useful for the second screen, I could come to like it. I only hate gimmicks if they're useless

dangit, the original Zelda came out. I wantsss a copy
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Old 5th September 2004, 12:43   #44
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This may confirm your hypothesis.
but i just bought a sp for $90
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Old 5th September 2004, 13:03   #45
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"The hottest video game system in history is getting the best price in the universe" - nintendo.com

Its nice to see nintendo.com taking an objective stance on the issue

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Old 5th September 2004, 19:18   #46
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well, I have neither a tv with a gamecube/gbaplayer nor a legal copy of the original zelda, so I'll settle for the game and a gbasp that I've put over a hundred and fifty hours into and it hasn't cut my hands yet.

Although I do agree. Remember mario allstars? They fit like 5 games into one... and then discovered they could make tons more money selling it on separate cartriges. Oh well.
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Old 7th September 2004, 07:06   #47
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but i just bought a sp for $90
man I know that feeling\

I have to say that no matter what content matters most I spend about 3 hours a day on my gbasp at work and I have to say one of my favorite things about it is the fact that after FF tactics came back out and did so well they started making more tactics games for it
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Old 7th September 2004, 10:21   #48
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the NES did popularize console entertainment in a hurry. However, I tend to think if they hadn't someone else would have.

Assuming everyone in your crew already has a gameboy, then the cost to play FF:Crystal Chronicles comes out to $50 for the game with one connector plus $30 for three more connectors, $80 total, for a game that's a lot more fun than most single player games.

Plus, once you have the equipment, you can get Zelda and start playing the 4 person stuff with no extra equipment to buy. It isn't that big of a rip off.
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Old 7th September 2004, 20:14   #49
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This is a very interesting article on one mans views on the PSP domiating the DS, or not....
http://www.gamesarefun.com/gamesdb/e...?editorialid=7
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Old 8th September 2004, 02:55   #50
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what? why the heck do they make it compatible with gba but not with older gbcolor and gb original games? That sucks... any idea at all as to why they're doing this?
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Old 8th September 2004, 03:02   #51
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because emulating the older hardware is to much time which is money they dont want to spend and building in the hardware support is costly to the system.

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Old 8th September 2004, 03:09   #52
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hmm... so if it isn't the next in line, does that mean that the next actual upgrade to the gameboy line will not be able to play games from the ds? Most likely not I guess. That's kind of frustrating... I've always just had the latest gb system, and used it for all my gb games. I don't like the idea of having to juggle between two systems.

Can they support original gb games 3 generations from now? Technically, there's no reason why they couldn't, and still advance their technology along at their desired speed. Look at DVDs replacing CDs... backwards compatible, but still able to have a huge storage.
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Old 8th September 2004, 03:09   #53
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How many game systems do you know of that can run games from systems that are that many generations behind? The GBAsp can run games from the GBA, GBC, GBP, and GB. Now, if you want to get technical, the GBAsp and GBA can be classified as one since they use the same inner hardware... and the GBP and GB are the same way, but still, that's three separate generations of Game Boys and Game Boy games that can be played on the GBAsp. I think it shows a lot for Nintendo that they included that support at all, let alone that kind of support for that amount of time. So the new DS can't play your discolored, scratched up, stickerless copy of Tetris... big damn deal. At least it'll be able to play Tetris Worlds.
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yah, I agree. I think that's one of the reasons the PS2 dominated so much - people could upgrade easily without having second thoughts about playing old games.
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what? why the heck do they make it compatible with gba but not with older gbcolor and gb original games?
Frankly I'm amazed they've been able to keep it backwardly compatible as recently as the Advance. Although its a clever marketing tactic because it increases brand loyalty, people know they will be able to use their games for more than just one generation of console. Those sly nindo business men.

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Old 8th September 2004, 08:17   #56
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I didn't think the GBA emulated the old hardware, more it has the old hardware built in, kind of like gbcolour on a chip.

If that was the case there is only so many systems you can cram into one box while keeping the cost low.
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Old 8th September 2004, 08:51   #57
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I picked up the old school Zelda, re-released for the gba. Seems a lot easier this time around Might be because last time I played it thru I was about 7 years old.
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Old 9th September 2004, 18:25   #58
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See if you can beat the game in under two hours :P

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Old 10th September 2004, 09:47   #59
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Frankly I'm amazed they've been able to keep it backwardly compatible as recently as the Advance.

That's because the DS uses similar hardware as the GBA. The Processors themselves are about the exact same processors as in the GBA.

The GBA is nothing but a portable SNES. Which was why SOOO many 3rd Party developers swarmed around the DS. They can resurrect their old SNES libraries and continue to sell them again.

They could have done Backwards compatibility with the older GB but I have a feeling that they purposely left it out and will release an AddOn just to make a few extra bucks.
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Old 11th September 2004, 16:20   #60
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The DS has two separate processors, both capable of fully 3D graphics. The DS is more on the level of the N64, while the GBA is right in between the levels of the SNES and the N64. The SNES is a 16-bit system, the GBA is a 32-bit system, and if I'm not mistaken, the DS is a 64-bit system.
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Old 11th September 2004, 17:20   #61
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I thought the DS was supposed to be more on the lines of the Dreamcast, i.e. a 128-bit system. Most of the claims I have heard have said it is more powerful than the N64.
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I've heard that it's faster than the N64, also... but the N64 is the system closest to the DS for comparison. Now, if you put the processing power of both the DS's processors together, then yeah, it's probably along the lines of the DC.
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Old 12th September 2004, 09:18   #63
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I dunno about dreamcast but maybe its better than the n64 like the gba is better than the snes.

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Old 12th September 2004, 19:52   #64
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Im willing to bet the reason the ds is not far back gameboy compatable was because they werent keen on the idea of the big grey stick out that would have been left from the size of the old carts and they just didnt bother with it. as far as the future true gameboy being ds compatable i think that directly depends on how well the ds does.

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I thought the DS was supposed to be more on the lines of the Dreamcast, i.e. a 128-bit system. Most of the claims I have heard have said it is more powerful than the N64.

Yes I did hear that too. They said that it was close to Gamecube graphics-wise. So I guess that it is similar to DC standards.
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Old 14th September 2004, 01:45   #66
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So the general consensus seems to be:

SNES < GBA < N64 < DS < or = DC < PS2
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Old 14th September 2004, 04:50   #67
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I wanna see some system specs before I starting putting DS == DC.

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Old 14th September 2004, 04:57   #68
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dc is definitely more powerful than the ds.

but as things get smaller they'll start looking better, which is why you get people saying metroid ds looks just like metroid prime.

so technically they might LOOK equally powerful or something.


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Old 15th September 2004, 00:34   #69
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Its a Nintendo system. Specs aren't important!

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They are important to developers and they are important for people saying that its a DC in your hands when it may or may not be.

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Old 25th September 2004, 22:34   #71
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I just think that PSP will kick Nintendo's ass. From what I've seen it will anyway. I'm not putting the DS down, I just think that Sony have a far superior hand-held than Nintendo. The graphics are better, the gameplay is better...what more can I say.

Now that I've said that, the PSP will fall flat on it's face!
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Old 25th September 2004, 23:11   #72
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The graphics are better, the gameplay is better...what more can I say.
Wow, so you've had your hands on a PSP to back that statement up yeah?, where was this, I'm green with envy.....
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Old 25th September 2004, 23:15   #73
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You can say "This was the best $300 I spent so I could play a PS2 for 4 hours at a time!"
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