Old 30th May 2003, 11:45   #1
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Gamecube vs PS2

Hi Everyone,
I need your help and honest opinions. I have a gamecube, and it seems that there are few decent games on it. I want GTA4 which is only on the PS2, and the ps2 has a lot of cool games. MY question is now simply whether I should keep the Gamecube or sell it and get a PS2?
Also for those who wonder, I cant afford to buy the PS2 without selling the gamecube. I used to have a PS2 last summer but sold it to a friend (because I needed money) and now regret it.

Help me. I must decide. Does any game actually compare to GTA4? or even GTA 3 for that matter?

Also please make your choices clear in your replies. Reasons would help.

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Old 30th May 2003, 11:49   #2
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Old 30th May 2003, 11:58   #3
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PC, you can edit the games then.
its much more fun playing GTA with your own custom cars than the standards.

you can puik up a Ok one fairly cheap thease days. (GTA only needs a 12mb graphics card)

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Old 30th May 2003, 12:01   #4
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Does any game compare to Vice City? No. It's just that good.

Get a PS2 my man.


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I believe in a all out no holds barred battle between a gamecube and a PS2, the gamecube would win on account of it's low center of gravity. As far as home system goes, here's the way to decide....

flip a coin. it's as good of an answer as any.

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I'd go for a GC as PS2 games are just PC games only worse whereas GC games are truely original and fun and for GC only (well a lot are for GC only).

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i say keep the game cube and just save gradually till you earn the dough to get the ps2 atients:

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Nothing beats a PC. If you have the money it will always beat every game consol ever created. But that is just the thing, you need the money, a lot of money. 1) to buy a good computer, then 2) to buy a good graphics card

Game consols are great because they serve 1 purpose alone and can thus cost less since they can leave out all the other uneeded stuff found in a computer and then cost much less, be much smaller, and still play great games. The games wont compare to PC games, but they will be great for the money.

Get a Playstation 2. It's just better then the Gamecube. They are both good, but the Playstation is better and has way better games. And don't worry about any new systems comming out anytime soon. Playstation 3 isn't planned to be released until 2005.
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i say keep the game cube and just save gradually till you earn the dough to get the ps2 atients:
that would actually be the best way to go about it, because both systems are really good and the GameCube has some great games for it. But if you do HAVE to choose, again, go with the PS2.
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Nothing beats a PC, but nothing beats reading the question; should he or should he not get a PS2. The guy just wants to know if it's a good idea to do what he plans to do; I say it is. Forget PCs, there's another time and place for the whole "Which system" question.


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PlayStation 2 all the way! (Gamecube is great for two things so far IMO; Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker and Metroid Prime).
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I hear some great games are coming out on the game cube in the near future.
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Old 30th May 2003, 16:40   #13
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nemesis1981 why not get a playstaion 2 emulator I'm sure theres got to be one somewhere on the web for your pc (if its powerful enough)
that way you can keep your game cube
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When it comes to hardware the best answer
to give someone is...
GET THE SYSTEM THAT HAS THE GAMES YOU WANT TO PLAY THE MOST!!!

now if you only care about graphics and NO new and innovative material. Then do I ever have hell of a reply for you. Yes GTA3 has a very fresh and new concept, freedom! but the PS2 technically does not compare to the GameCube and Nintendo is always pushing the 'new and innovative' concept. yes unfortunally the GameCube's awesome games are of few,
how GameCube is better than the PS2? don't worry I will explain further down. As well as new games for the GameCube to look out for.

Now I'm not going to talk about the X-Box cause it's Microsoft and I hate microsoft. The X-Box has even less 'GREAT HIT'/'sold more than a million games' - then the GameCube. Halo was good but waiting three years for the sequel is fucking stupid(Halo 2 pushed back till summer of 2004). X-BOX has even less great, new and exciting, innovative games then the GameCube and PS2. Plus almost all X-Box games can be found on the GameCube or PS2. Plus everything is so fucking expensive for the X-Box. Microsoft just wants your money while not making any games worth the Price tags for the system, nasty price tags for , accessories for the DVD player, for playing on line. So forget the X-Box.

Nintendo isn't going to make it anymore in the console wars? Nintdoe's GameCube is cheaper to produce thus Nintendo makes more profit from each system sold than Microsoft and sony do on their system. Nintendo also has their GameBoyAdvance which is highly successful, almost sold as many as sony's PS2. and Nintendo has done alot better than X-Box when it comes to international sales. for the longest time the X-Box was being out sold by the PS1 and GameBoy Color in Japan! while Nintendo's GameCube and Sony's PlayStation 2 continued to crush the X-Box in the Japan Market. Because Nintendo has the profit from it's GameCube and GameBoy Advance, Nintendo has lots of money and is going to continue to make consoles for along time.

Really you should keep the GameCube and keep saving for the PS2, if you can. Cause really, GTA3 GTA4 arn't going anywhere. There huge hits!. It's not like game stores are just not going to sell them anymore. And I don't think BlockBuster is going to take them of the shelves anytime soon, not for at least 5 years, cause they still have PS1 games and N64 games, right?


well here it is!
the part where I compare the Technical aspects of the GameCube and the PS2.
information obtainted from Sony's and Nintendo's websites, mostly from Game FAQ's

***HARDWARE SPECIFICATIONS ***

Main Processing unit :

GameCube: MPU("Microprocessor Unit")* Custom IBM Power PC "Gekko"
Manufacturing Process 0.18 micron IBM Copper Wire Technology
CPU Capacity 1125 Dmips (Dhrystone 2.1)

Internal Data Precision 32-bit Integer & 64-bit Floating-point
External Bus 1.3GB/second peak bandwidth (32-bit address space, 64-bit
data
bus 162 MHz clock)


PlayStation 2: CPU
128-bit Playstation 2 CPU
Co-processor
FPU (Floating Point Unit)

Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 1,

Floating Point Divider x 1

Vector Units
VU0 and VU1

Floating Point Multiply Accumulator x 9,

Floating Point Divider x 3



System Clock Frequency:

GameCube: Clock Frequency 485 MHz

PlayStation 2: System Clock Frequency
294.912 MHz


Cache Memory:

GameCube: Internal Cache L1: Instruction 32KB, Data 32KB (8 way) L2: 256KB (2
way)

PlayStations 2: Instruction: 16KB, Data: 8KB + 16KB (ScrP)


Graphics :
apologies, what you see here is only what sony and nintendo allow the public to know

GameCube: System LSI Custom ATI/Nintendo "Flipper"

Manufacturing Process 0.18 micron NEC Embedded DRAM Process

Graphics Clock Frequency 162 MHz

System Floating-point Arithmetic Capability 10.5 GFLOPS (Peak) (MPU,
Geometry Engine, HW Lighting Total)

Real-world polygon 6 million to 12 million polygons/second (Peak)
(Assuming actual game conditions with complex models, fully textured,
fully lit, etc.)

Embedded Frame Buffer Approx. 2MB Sustainable Latency : 6.2ns (1T-SRAM)

Embedded Texture Cache Approx. 1MB Sustainable Latency : 6.2ns (1T-
SRAM)

Texture Read Bandwidth 10.4GB/second (Peak)

Main Memory Bandwidth 2.6GB/second (Peak)

Pixel Depth 24-bit Color, 24-bit Z Buffer

Image Processing Functions Fog, Subpixel Anti-aliasing, 8 Hardware
Lights, Alpha Blending, Virtual Texture Design, Multi-texturing, Bump
Mapping, Environment Mapping, MIP Mapping, Bilinear Filtering, Trilinear
Filtering, Anisotropic Filtering, Real-time Hardware Texture
Decompression (S3TC), Real-time Decompression of Display List, HW 3-line
Deflickering filter


PlayStation 2: 3D CG Geometric Transformation
66 Million Polygons per second

Compressed Image Decoder
MPEG2

Graphics
Graphics Synthesizer(tm)

Graphics Clock Frequency
147.456MHz

Embedded DRAM
4MB

DRAM Bus bandwidth
48GB per Second

DRAM Bus width
2560 Bits

Pixel Configuration
RGB:Alpha:Z Buffer (24:8:32)

*[PS1 didn't have Anti-aliasing
and the PS2 doesn't have Anti-aliasing either]*


Sound :
apologies, what you see here is only what sony and nintendo allow the public to know

GameCube: The following sound related functions are all incorporated into the
System LSI

Sound Processor custom Macronix 16-bit DSP

Instruction Memory 8KB RAM + 8KB ROM

Data Memory 8KB RAM + 4KB ROM

Clock Frequency 81 MHz

Performance 64 simultaneous channels, ADPCM encoding

Sampling Frequency 48KHz


PlayStation 2: Sound
"SPU2+CPU"

Number of Voices
ADPCM: 48ch on SPU2 plus definable, software programmable voices

Sound Memory
2MB

Output Frequency
Variable up to 48 KHz (DAT quality)



next section. information from Game FAQ's
let's talk about the crap I just said...
========================================================================
3. COMPARED TO PLAYSTATION 2
========================================================================

SPEED
-----
One thing you'll notice between the 2 systems is that the Nintendo
GameCube has faster loading times than the Sony PlayStation 2. Games
such as Madden 2002 load faster on the GameCube than their PS2
counterparts. Super Mario Sunshine is the perfect example of short
loading times.

MEMORY
------
The PlayStation 2 beats out the GameCube in terms of Memory Card issues.
The GameCube's small 59/251 blocks simply can't beat 8MB of Memory Card
data. One GameCube Memory Card can't save a season or game to All-Star
Baseball 2003. It's a serious flaw, and hopefully Nintendo will release
a 1000 block memory card.

GRAPHICS
--------
Graphics-wise, the PS2 cannot quite match the GameCube on paper (and on
the TV). The GameCube versions of games (like Madden 2003, or 007: Agent
Under Fire) look cleaner and more fluid on the Nintendo GameCube than on
the PS2 (not always the case, as evidenced by the poor GameCube version
of EA's Need for Speed 2: Hot Pursuit). The PS2 is still a great
graphical console; just not the best (although very, very good; play
Metal Gear Solid 2, or Final Fantasy X). Overall, though, they're both
capable of similar looking games. The developers will have to work on
both consoles.

GAMES
-----
The PS2 focuses mostly on mature gamers rather than younger gamers. PS2
is populated with games like Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (MGS2:
Substance), Grand Theft Auto 3, Mafia and Final Fantasy X, while
Nintendo has Pokemon, Zelda, Metroid and Mario franchises. Nintendo has
their boost with Resident Evil, exclusively, which, along with Metroid,
and Eternal Darkness, can help silence the "kiddy" comments.

POWER
-----
Clearly the GameCube wins. Games like Star Wars: Rogue Leader: Rogue
Squadron 2 will need to be toned down to be possible on the PS2 (or, as
always, the developer will have to find ways around the PS2's inferior
hardware). The GameCube may have a lower polygon count compared to PS2,
but that's because PS2's numbers are lying. It's numbers are based on
polygons themselves (raw polygons). If the PS2 processed 66 Million
polygons, you'd be looking at games similar to the polygon monsters in
Super Smash Bros. For N64. The PS2's numbers reduce to 6-12 Million
after applying color, textures, animations, movement, lighting, etc.

We all need to remember that each system works differently. For example,
the PlayStation 2 may not rely on RAM as much as another console may,
but its "pipeline" is huge (according to some folks). The XBOX's
processor may not be as "powerful" or as "fast" as the PlayStation 2 or
the GameCube's, but it has an extremely efficient graphics processor.
The GameCube may not support nearly as many polygons as the XBOX, but it
has better texturing capabilities.

In the end, it depends on the developer. A developer from Squaresoft can
utilize the PlayStation 2 with Final Fantasy X, but a developer can crap
on the more powerful XBOX with worse looking titles like *AHEM* Kabuki
Warriors.

In the true end, it is down to the developers and what they do with the
hardware.


yeah, you didn't know? RESIDEN EVIL is now GameCube Exclusive. It has been for almost 2years now. Capcom and Nintendo are good friends. but the excusivity is only until Resident evil 4, but if RE4 is very successful, then the exclusivity will stay longer.

what about online gaming? well Nintendo’s recent philosophy is...making people pay for online gaming isn't right! so there just now working on a special way where consumer(you) pay for online gaming in a different and cheaper way. cause as it stands. if the consumer doesn't want to cough up 7+ dollars a month for online gaming, then online gaming is not profitable or a successful business. so Nintendo is trying to find a way where everyone is happy.


Anyways....
So yeah, Technically the GameCube should be bitch slapping the PS2 across the map but...
The True reason why the PS2 is doing so well is because the PS2 came out a year before the GameCube. That's why developers are still all over the PS2 and not so much on the GameCube. oh and what happened with PS1 too.
"you say PS2 is better cause of it's DVD player?" if that's your answer then you've got issues. a good DVD player is the same size as the PS2. but the PS2 is not just a DVD player. in other words the DVD player inside the PS2 is LOW END! as far as I know, the PS2's DVD player does not support 'progresive scan'. " wanna buy the most shitties DVD movie player? buy a PS2! wanna buy one of the coolest consoles around? buy a PS2! - wanna buy the best DVD player? well most awesome ones are the same price as the PS2. but that's when I repeat my self " wanna buy the most shitties DVD movie player? buy a PS2!"
LoL, aaah. I love how logic can be so Humorous, when I make it humorous. in other words. don't buy a PS2 cause of it's movie/DVD player abilities unless you've never had a DVD player before, then just forget everything a just said about the PS2's DVD player, LoL.

Sony has teamed up with IBM to create the first home public 'Terra Byte' system. a terra byte of memory using
IBM's proposed 'Cell Technology'and it's going to be used for PlayStation 3
But Nintendo also has their new system too. apparently from rumors...it's messed up. meaning it's actually supposedly going to kick the PlayStation 3's ass. And Nintendo is planning on bringing out their system at the beginning of 2005, before Sony. I love this because this means Nintendo is actually trying to destroy Sony when it comes to console gaming. which makes me so happy, because I love Nintendo. I remember the good old days, with the 'Atari' and 'NES'. Then Atari leaves and Sony shows up? what the hell is Sony doing here? and then the crap that was N64. Then the mos weirdest console ever, GameCube. now finally a system from Nintendo, that's actually going to be possibly the best around. It's about time Nintendo got off their ass! yes the GameCube has some wicked games, and better ones still to come, but you have to admit, everyone has been alittle dissapointed with the console nown as, GameCube.


...But Like I said at the begining
When it comes to hardware the best answer
to give someone is...
GET THE SYSTEM THAT HAS THE GAMES YOU WANT TO PLAY THE MOST!!!



***Future GameCube releases***

F-Zero GX - <-remember, once a picture has been selected, look for the 'Next' button to see more pictures than just the two that show up.

This is one of Nintendo's Franchises. they've teamed up with SEGA to bring one of the craziest futuristic racers ever. Not only that. But Nintendo is making a special ultra Memery Card so you can take your saved experiance levels and take the vehicles you have built and use them while playing the Arcade version of Nintendo's new racer. you just go to the Arcades and find 'F-Zero AC' then take your speciall memory card and put it in, throw in your money and play the game. All while accessing all your saved data from your GameCube, and competing against others.

"Not only is F-Zero coming to GameCube, but it's also zooming into the arcades...and is being developed by SEGA's Amusement Vision team! The Arcade version, known as F-Zero AC and published by SEGA, will interact with its console counterpart via the GameCube Memory Card, which should make for interesting additions in both versions. F-Zero GX seems to be very much like F-Zero X for N64, but the graphics are exponentially better."




Geist - "Developed in conjunction with n-Space, Geist allows you to possess characters to use their abilities.

NINTENDO 'POSSESSES' N-SPACE TO DEVELOP GEIST

Exclusive Game for Nintendo GameCube Features Ability to 'Possess' Game Characters
REDMOND, Wash., May 13, 2003 – Boosting its exclusive Nintendo GameCube™ library, Nintendo of America Inc. today announces a development collaboration on the new game Geist with n-Space, Inc., a Florida-based video game developer. Based on an original concept by n-Space, the game will be developed by n-Space with creative and technical input from Nintendo and will be published by Nintendo.

Geist leads players through the game in a first-person perspective, providing the unique ability to 'possess' other characters in the game. As a ghost or Geist, players can advance through the game by virtually entering the bodies of other characters, taking advantage of their physical and mental abilities. Combining a mixture of action and stealth styles of game play, Geist adds an enthralling new mixture to the first-person genre
"
Geist Pictures- remember, once a picture has been selected, look for the 'Next' button to see more pictures than just the two that show up.


Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes - is a remake of the first Metal Gear Solid Game from the PS1, but with all the new abilities seen in the Metal Gear 2, better graphics than Metal Gear 2 for the PS2, and new ares, new parts to the story and a bunch of new stuff that Metal Gear Solid 1 didn't have.

" The Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes footage shown at Nintendo's press conference featured fantastic graphics - definitely an improvement over MGS2.

Much of the footage shown was of Grey Fox (the ninja character) fading in and out of visibility and thrashing guards; the scene was beautifully redone. It sounds as if the same voice acting from the original was used directly. We'll have more information when we play it at the show tomorrow.
"


Resident Evil 4 - this game is fully 3D and has the ability of allowing you to go 1st-person-shooter view as well. This game is full of stuff no horror game has had before. and was announced recently that Resident Evil 4 will stay GameCube Exclusive.

" Visually, Resident Evil 4 was quite possibly the best-looking game at Nintendo's press conference.

The footage features beautiful effects, such as rain and a glowing, ghostly entity that seemed to pursue Leon relentlessly. The camera angle shifted about and went to an over-the-shoulder view when Leon targeted an enemy; every area was full 3D; not static backgrounds. No more story details were given.

The way Leon stopped and turned seemed to indicate that the same RE control scheme is being used. The game seemed to be fast-paced for an RE title, especially considering how Leon was constantly pursued and attacked by the ghostly entity.

No release date was given. For those out of the loop, the game is still GC exclusive.
"



StarFox GC - [still in mid development]
" one of Nintendo's franchises. Nintendo has teamed up with Namco to bring this awesome flying shooter to life. At Nintendo’s press conference this morning, the first ever footage of Namco’s new Starfox game was shown. The game is currently titled "Starfox 2." Most of what was shown was ground-based multi-player action. The game takes place after the crisis on Dinosaur Planet. Players will be able to take the fight to the enemy via Arwing, Landmaster Tank, or on foot. The game features a two player co-op mode in which one player drives or flies while the other rides shotgun on the outside of the vehicle, helping to shoot down enemies. The entire Star Fox team is playable, as well as Krystal from Dinosaur Planet. There is also a four-player split screen mode."



1080 Avalanch - Made by Nintendo's own development team. relistic snowboarding game. some tracks have Avalanches that you have to run away from while racing against other snowboarders.


WWE WrestleMania XIX - "Not a lot is known about THQ's latest effort in their WWE wrestling games, but a partial list of features has been revealed.

Features:

* More authentic "simulation-style" wrestling
* More than 50 wrestlers
* More grapples, with a wider variety of grappling styles
* Location-specific damage
* Blood
* "Path of a Champion" mode
* Storyline mode
* Enhanced "Create-a-SuperStar" mode
* All new character models
* Tutorial
* King of the Ring, and Royal Rumble matches confirmed - and many more
* New development team, including former AKI members - originall creators of 'WWE No Mercy' "


other games include...
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GameCube

* Nintendo Puzzle Collection
* Custom Robo
* Pikmin 2
* Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
* Pokemon Box: Ruby & Sapphire
* Pokemon Channel
* Pokemon Colosseum
* Giftpia
* Stage Debut
* Kirby's Air Ride
* Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
* Wario World
* Mario Kart: Double Dash
* Mario Party 5
* The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (YES, for GAMECUBE)
* The Legend of Zelda: Tetra's Trackers

Here is a list of new and up coming games for the GameCube. The List inludes many developers who also develope for PlayStation 2



So there it is. Hope I have helped you understand that you should really keep the GameCube and save up for the PlayStation 2. but like I said...
When it comes to hardware the best answer
to give someone is...
GET THE SYSTEM THAT HAS THE GAMES YOU WANT TO PLAY THE MOST!!!


hope I have been of some help.

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Halo was good but waiting three years for the sequel is fucking stupid(Halo 2 pushed back till summer of 2004).Plus everything is so fucking expensive for the X-Box. Microsoft just wants your money while not making any games worth the Price tags for the system, nasty price tags for , accessories for the DVD player, for playing on line. So forget the X-Box.
If I remember right, we have all been waiting for HL2 and Doom3 for a while.

As for Xbox costing so much more. It doesn't. PS2 is $180 and Xbox is $180. I got my DVD playback kit for $15. The price tag for playing xbox online isn't too bad. $50 to play online for a year. You can play any of the Live enabled games as much as you want, with voice enabled. There's also download content for some of the games, and for most of the games your stats are tracked. And you for PS2 you have to buy the boradband adapter for Socom. Not all games support voice or stat tracking. And for the new Final Fantasy game you will have to buy the Hard Drive kit.

As for the PS2 vs GC thing. Stick with the GC. If you only want PS2 for GTA i wouldn't get it. GTA is best on PC because of the mods. the PS2 version gets boring pretty quickly.
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Playstation 2 all the way.

Anybody that takes fancy graphics over awesome gameplay, awesome games, and backwords compatibility, giving you a library to choose from over 10,000 games is crazy.

I plan on getting a gamecube, but only for the New Resident Evils and SSB: Melee. That game is SO Much fun when you have 4+ people.

Besides, hypothetically, if Nintendo were to "destroy" Sony's competition as far as console gaming goes, then chances are, Nintendo would have destroyed just about every other console gaming company. Look at what happened to Microsoft for manopolizing, the same could happen to Nintendo. (Though Microsoft is still a beast)

In the end it comes down to the game, not the system.


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"And I don't think BlockBuster is going to take them of the shelves anytime soon, not for at least 5 years, cause they still have PS1 games and N64 games, right?"

N64? Yeah, like 10 games.
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In the end it comes down to the game, not the system.
Yes, I know. That's why I said
"When it comes to hardware the best answer
to give someone is...
GET THE SYSTEM THAT HAS THE GAMES YOU WANT TO PLAY THE MOST!!!
"

I said it like three times. One at the begining, one in the middle, and one at the end.

I think some one didn't read the whole thing.

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I think that's a lot to read.


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Old 31st May 2003, 02:25   #22
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People I thank you and you have given me a lot to think about, but after a mere few minutes of consideration, I am definitely more inclined to want the PS2 as a console, if only because the Gamecube, however fantastic its potential may be, has not lived up to its promises and the games are not what I want. The N64 ruled and I would have wanted one had I not had a good enougb PC but now no. The PS2 is the better console if only for games. Nintendo are great but they just havent delivered on games. I know that GTA3 and GTA: Vice City are better on the PC but I have nowhere near the money required for the system needed for these games.
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Old 31st May 2003, 05:29   #23
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I'm a Nintendo fiend. I love Nintendo. I've got an NES, a Gameboy, a Super NES, two N64s, a Gameboy Advance, and a GameCube. I love all of them. Some games are better than others, but there's more than one game that I thoroughly enjoy on each system. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trade in one of my N64s for a brand new PS2... I've got one of the original PlayStations, and I like it to a point, but it just can't compare to any of my Nintendos. And I'm not even going to get started on the Xbox. As far as I'm concerned, that thing's not a game console...
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PS2 most defiantly, Nintendo has not made a formidable home console since SNES. PSONE was the result of Nintendo pulling out of a snes cd add on ½ though development with Sony, now 10 years later Nintendo is competing with console want to be’s (tisk tisk). Its not who has the best graphics(xbox) or who has the head start (dreamcast) as much as who has the greatest number of great games (ps2) this is the ace which will tip the scales and will win a console war. History reflects this: NES (better games) vs SMS (better graphics), psone (better games) vs N64 (better graphics). Just remember this Nintendo has mascots playstation has actual players ; ).

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Although I don't like to take sides, I go with Gamecube because I've been a Nintendo fan all my life. Besides, Nintendo has Capcom as their 2nd party developer. Can't wait for RE Online!

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And PS2 may have Dolby Digital support, but to get even the slightest sound from the rear you'll need to buy an extra cable which some surround recievers don't even have support for. With GCN you just plug the wires that came with it in to the reviever and presto!, Instant Dolby Pro Logic II which in my opinion is just as good as Dolby Digital.

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Old 1st June 2003, 03:37   #27
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That, and ATI makes the graphics hardware for the Cube. 0w|\|4g3.



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Old 4th June 2003, 02:04   #29
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Come on, there is no question. GAMECUBE

The PS2 has about 0 worthwile games. Sure GTA3 might be fun, but they get old fast.
Wile on the Cube, you have Mario Sunshine, Metroid, Zelda, Super Smash bro melee, RE, Star Wars Rouge leader, animal crossing, and a crapload of great games to come in late summer.

Do not sell the GC, too many great games will come out real soon, and none for the PS2.

Also become knowlageble in computers and and save your money (get a good job) and then play the computer. Bets games there are (save the Nintendo classics)

How can you say the PS2 has a crap load of great games? Tell me then, and they have to be exclusive to the PS2. Come on, try it.


Also the system specs have about jack shit to do with the games, it all has to do with the ease of programming, something the PS2 is a bitch at.
I just done understand it, all the devs left the n64 b/ it was "too hard to program for" and now the ps2 is a bitch to program for, but they are not complaining. Fucking hypocritical pansys.


edit: for the record, ATi did NOT make the graphics chip for the Cube, Art X did, but they got purchased for ATi in 2000 or something. That is why the graphics chip was not as powerful in some apects as the pc card out then (no programable T&L)
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Anybody that says Socom 2 isn't going to be a damn good game for the playstation is out of their head.

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I suggest the PS2. But what I can suggest is that you wait until the New PS2 comes out to get one.


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Old 7th June 2003, 07:16   #31
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Who really cares if PS2 has a million games? It's not like they're all any good... (actually, most of them are probably crap)

Granted, the GameCube has a few crappy games (and some of the games would be considered crap on ANY console ), but it has many good ones. It also has a lot of great games that make you want to play them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...
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I have a PC and a PS2.

couldnt live without either.

pcs rock, but the keyboard and screen size are not as good...
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Who really cares if PS2 has a million games? It's not like they're all any good... (actually, most of them are probably crap)

Granted, the GameCube has a few crappy games (and some of the games would be considered crap on ANY console ), but it has many good ones. It also has a lot of great games that make you want to play them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...
Yeah, Lord knows the new Mario and Metroid were just bangin


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I can be a bit more impartial in that I don’t own any of the three next gen consoles, sony appeals to the largest audience of users, hence it appeals to a larger portion of developers who make their profits from the number of games sold. So Sony has no shortage of games some bad many good, but no one can claim there is a drout of quality games for this console (unless their in denial) . Nintendo on the other hand is losing software licenses as developers are not turning a sufficient profit for developing for their console (i.e. sega sports, resident evil series). Nintendo does have some good heritage on its side which its Mario, Zelda, Metriod series but that’s about it in terms of exclusivity. Sony has on the other hand Grand Turismo 4, Virtual Fighter 4, Contra, Devil May Cry, GTA 3/VC but these are just a few of the quality exclusives, and I still have yet to mention thoughts titles which have of will cross over like Splinter Cell, Metal Gear, and Final Fansty. Hey if you’re a mario zelda metroid fanatic and like playing the titles over and over again (b/c u don’t have much choice otherwise) then go ahead and get a gamecube, if not then ps2 appears to be the best bet. I have done some homework for I eventually plan on purchasing a next gen console and PS2 seems to be the strongest contender (must be a reason why they have sold 40+ million consoles)

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Ok, let me say this: I have no problem with any of the game system consoles in and of themselves, excluding ALL peripherals, games, and plugs, because they are systems. Now the bashing starts:

1.) X-Box - The controller was too big on the first model, now it doesn't fit my hand right. Any Nintendo junkies (like I was, and to a degree, still am) will know right away that they fucked up the A and B buttons. B goes to the LEFT of A and slightly above or slightly below. Unless, of course, you happen to be playing an X-Box. So far, there are three good games that I have played on the X-Box: WWF Raw, Outlaw Golf, and Halo. Everything else sucked. Microsoft is whoring the ability to save on the hard drive.

2.) Gamecube - I think making the C-Buttons into a Joystick was a bad idea. Not all controllers need two joysticks/pushbuttons. Question: Where the HELL is the Z button? And any Legend of Zelda old schooler will know that Nintendo fucked up on the Wind Waker because Link is a Hylian boy, not a cartoon. The Wind Waker alone has made me decide never to buy a Gamecube. I hold that much of a grudge.

3.) N64 - Look at the controller. It is perfect. The games are good, but a little too polygonal.

4.) PS2 - Yes, I do have some problems with my beloved system of choice. First of all, I dislike the fact that you have to turn on the machine, then push a little button about half the size of my pinky finger's fingernail to get the damn thing to work. Then there are the slow loading times. There are also only a few good games on this system as well: Smackdown 4, Tony Hawk 4, DBZ: Budokai, Kessen, and The Mark of Kri.

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Believe me, Saotome, once you've used a GCN controller, you'll never, EVER want to go back to that HORRIBLE N64 controller. The GCN stick is a lot softer and gives no strain on your fingers, while the N64 stick wobbles around in the most awkward way and feels like it's broken. Plus the throttle-like touch-sensitive L and R buttons are the greatest thing to hit Nintendo (they provide an ultra-realistc feeling in driving and shooting games, and SMS and Luigi's Mansion). On top of every thing else, unlike the N64 controller, you don't have to position your hands in a strange way just to use the pad and stick at the same time.

BTW, the Z button is right next to the R button:

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2.) Gamecube - I think making the C-Buttons into a Joystick was a bad idea. Not all controllers need two joysticks/pushbuttons. Question: Where the HELL is the Z button? And any Legend of Zelda old schooler will know that Nintendo fucked up on the Wind Waker because Link is a Hylian boy, not a cartoon. The Wind Waker alone has made me decide never to buy a Gamecube. I hold that much of a grudge.

3.) N64 - Look at the controller. It is perfect. The games are good, but a little too polygonal.
Spoiler: Kind of...
the Link in Wind Waker is not the "real" link, he is the reincarnation of the spiret of link (or something like that). So he is not the link from any of the past games. And the cell shading isnt all that bad, its the sailing.


I loved the N64 pad, just a little on the cramped side. It was the best pad ever for FPS (move w/ C, aim w/ stick)
The GC pad is even better now, just the bif a button can be not soo good with some games (fighting games w/ combos, thps type games)

I personaly still say the Cube has the best games out. the PS2, sure it might have a lot of games, but not many or of any high quality. Xbox... no good games.
And games make a "game system" not dvd movies or online connections. Just quality games. If I wanted online, I play my computer. If I want good games, and multiplayer with friends, in person, thats what consoles are for.
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with exception two the fist ones for the original NES. Every zelda game sence has featured a diffrent incarnation of link.(FYI)

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Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time had the same Link

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doh, thats right I never played Majoras mask so I forgot that little tabloid fact. So it seems he reincarnates him self once per console.

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