Old 21st September 2003, 14:01   #41
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you do not need to remove the following APEs from your presets:

- Multiplier
- Channel Shift
- Color Reduction

And probably Color map too.

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Old 22nd September 2003, 00:20   #42
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I think it would be much better if the whole avs community banded together and made a new newpicks from scratch with just one preset from each artist involved in addition to a small collection of existing presets. Before you all boo and crush my idea into dust let me explain my reasoning by way of advantages and disadvantages

Advantages
  • You end up with a wide sample of all of avs, demonstrating many different styles and techniques and showing different levels of technical competence
  • Fewer people will hate/be irritated by all of the newpicks
  • We could collect a faily large amount of original presets very quickly since everyone only has to make one
  • We can show the new effects and capabilities of AVS because every preset will be new and made using the new version of AVS
  • First time AVS users (and existing ones possibly) will be exposed to a larger number of avs artists, this makes the community look bigger and better as well as providing users with a fairly good list of names to look up when they want more.
  • People won't feel so left out by not getting their presets picked amongst our favorites
  • Some of us (I would anyway) may want to make a preset that specifically uses the new features heavily to provide a good example for 'learners' + to show off the power of AVS
  • Newer presets tend to better... evolution innit

Disadvantages
  • You may end up with a few really bad presets or maybe even a couple of really similar presets
  • We wont be able to fill it with lots of Whacko and EL-VIS and such
  • We all would need to make an avs preset... I've noticed that I can make a preset in a time range from 30 mins to 30 days, so it could take some time to gather a large collection

If one preset each is a bit extreme then maybe two, plus I think it would be a good idea to get some of the noobs in on this, that way the newnewpicks will appeal to them and us.


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Old 22nd September 2003, 02:57   #43
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i think its an uber idea
that way noone will be able to gloa0: "100k @ m3!!1!!1 1 got 10 preezts in n00pix! w00t!" etc..

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And i think it would be a good insentive, everyone will be prety keen to make nice looking presets if they know the whole world is gonna see them.
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Old 22nd September 2003, 03:17   #44
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Eh, I don't like the idea. But that may just be me
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Old 22nd September 2003, 05:50   #45
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This is problematic indeed, i mean how we are going to make the "newpicks" with avs2.7 to the publishing of 2.7 if it is published the first time with the final version of wa5. This is a problem because something you made with pre3 might not work in pre4 or in the final version. (i've said this atleast 10 times in various places by now... )

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Old 22nd September 2003, 05:54   #46
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I agree to tuggummi. We can't make a newpicks until the final version comes out - by then, we probably won't have time before Winamp 5 comes out and it gets released to the general public.

We need to just go with existing stuff - sure WA5 will have some cool stuff, but it won't make a huge difference in preset quality.

I also have said that we shouldn't make too many presets using 2.7 stuff until the final comes out - that would be a big pain if a lot of stuff got changed.
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Old 22nd September 2003, 15:18   #47
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I thought my mixes were pretty varied .
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Old 22nd September 2003, 17:23   #48
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I like jherikos plan. Dont know about this lets wait thing but Im definetly for deversity.

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Old 22nd September 2003, 22:08   #49
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i dont see much point in waiting.. i cant imagne that avs2.7 wont be backward compatible. That would be just stupid.. Whas more, there has been no indication to suggest it from justin.
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Old 23rd September 2003, 23:57   #50
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honestly, just because these presets <b>could</b> be released with wa5 and avs2.7 doesn't mean that they <b>must</b> use the new components.

diversity is probably a great step for new users of winamp, as it would allow people to see the potential of a completely user defined visual program. But while not always the most technical presets, the people over at nullsoft do the best job of diversity. Many of you have already picked a style, and nothing will take you out of it, but the thing is that if i were a new user, i wouldn't want to see 30 something presets of 3D ideas that, for the most part, are rather similiar.

You as a society have placed yourself in a paradigm where everything must use snazzy DM and beyond complicated SSC. Honestly, i don't believe that most of you see the beauty of simplicity, of changing your style to a more conceptual one. There are a few exceptions out there, but for the most part, you focus on the mathmatical pieces rather than realizing that AVS is supposed to be art.

Sorry for rambling, but just a thought from someone who's been working with the program for about 4 years now.

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Old 24th September 2003, 00:33   #51
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Well said, HF, but complexity can make even better presets.

There are people who do really simple presets that are awesome, but then some people can make some of the most visually stunning complex presets that I can imagine. Neither is really better, IMO. I am personally better at doing more complex ones - I don't have enough of an artistic touch to make something simple look really nice like some people do. The ones that use crazy code are actually easier for me to make - I have a very mathematical mind.

We should try to get a mix - show the full spectrum of AVS presets.
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Old 24th September 2003, 07:47   #52
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I totally agree with Jheriko, the idea is great. If we're gonna do this, count me in

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Old 25th September 2003, 08:55   #53
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Originally posted by Horse-Fly
You as a society have placed yourself in a paradigm where everything must use snazzy DM and beyond complicated SSC...
..and the same boring cubes other people already did a zillion times like 2 years ago

i find jheriko's a very good one. looks like the best solution, only egomanics wouldn't like it.
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Old 26th September 2003, 07:02   #54
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..and the same boring cubes other people already did a zillion times like 2 years ago
hahah, look who's talking I know of 2 certain remixes who both were made from cube presets



I... I can't decide which side to "fall in"... I have enjoyed making 3D presets for my next pack, but at the moment it feels like agony to make those complex things. Sometimes heavy coding is fun (for me this means lots& lots of simple things used together), but i also enjoy making simple things. But i think you have to know atleast some code even to do the conceptual pieces, face it rotoblitter just doesn't do it anymore, it's so boring & monotenous.

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Old 26th September 2003, 07:51   #55
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well.. ive only really been at it for less than a year.. but the way i work has always been: idea>thought>code (with a whole bunch of pullinmg out hair in the meantime.. sometimes my presets are very simple, because they didnt need to be complex to achieve the original idea. Some use all sorts of crazy junky code, and others are just plain fucked up (the whole unicycle ordeal).

anyways.. my point was something like: lets go with j's idea, and concentrate on making a bunch of presets that show diversity.. demonstrate everyones differnt styles.. and ARNT stupidly complicated just for the sake of looking all geeky and clever. Lets just make some uber presets..

let me know if that made any sense. Im a bit sloshed right now.. this room feels like its tilted 90o.. X_x

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Old 26th September 2003, 13:17   #56
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I would think that 2.7 is bound to be backwardly compatible with the pre-releases, even if newer features demanded that the file format change I doubt it would be hard to add back compatibility since it will have to load 2.5 presets too, it makes good sense.

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Old 26th September 2003, 14:25   #57
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You can use this, no APE's used. And it shows a hint towards a way of making a DM torus by bending the rays

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Old 26th September 2003, 14:56   #58
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Old 26th September 2003, 15:09   #59
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That could be an awesome preset - it's really weird how it's an impossible setup. Just needs some music responsiveness.
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Old 2nd October 2003, 11:13   #60
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So what is the plan? Do we stick to the original and each post 3 presets with no APE's (except what might be included in). Or do we break apart from this and make our own "newpicks" pack which we then publish outside the actual wa5 release? Or what? Im so very confused... and scared

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This is great a idea please check my creation in my signature.

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Alt-iii here:
I feel bad for the noobs that DL the new WA5. They won't be exposed to my brilliant artwork.. Why? because winamp.com only accepts pimped avs files. AND ALT-III DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO PIMP!!!
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www.visbot.net, get PimpBot. After that, pimp all your AVS.

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Another idea for the newpicks:
Let half of them be selected by voting.
The other half should consist of presets made by artist who are not represted in the first half, so the great presets from the inactive avs'ers will be included (Unconed a.o), and al the best artist are included in the pack, so the most famous styles are represented.
This will make sure the newnewpicks will be pretty varried and all artist will have a chance to get in the newpicks.
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Old 18th October 2003, 10:50   #67
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I think J's idea is best, get one or two presets from everyone except the noobiest of noob noobs, that way everyone will find something they like in the pack, but put a strict deadline on peoples submissions.

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Old 18th October 2003, 19:49   #68
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well if anything is going to happen with this, it better happen soon, as the beta version was already released
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Old 19th October 2003, 05:22   #69
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Old 21st October 2003, 11:39   #70
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my presets

please tell me if they're good or bad
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Old 22nd October 2003, 03:32   #71
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I like this Idea

As a n00bie, I like Jheriko's Idea. I Like the fact that our prests
(n00bie's) will be in the same pack as the great AVS artists.
I remeber the names from Winamp2 like 10ne and Justin, and makes me
happy to know that some day there maybe someone out there that will
remember my name and other fellow n00bie names. Not to mention, even
compare us with the greats of AVS. And it will be nice to show the
different levels of AVS, to show the newcommers that not all of AVS
is complex equtions, but just your imagination!
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Old 22nd October 2003, 06:52   #72
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but no really n00bie presets please

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Old 22nd October 2003, 15:17   #73
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What do mean really n00bie presets?
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Old 23rd October 2003, 22:47   #74
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Old 24th October 2003, 02:33   #75
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Ahh...I see what you mean, yeah your prests you sent for the newpicks, they seam pretty good. I like them.
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Old 24th October 2003, 05:18   #76
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Old 26th October 2003, 18:41   #77
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I just want to make sure I got this right, we are not suppose to any 3d ssc?
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Old 29th October 2003, 07:19   #78
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Id be really honoured if someone put one of my later presets in the pack. I think that they have some variation, without being complicated ( cause im too stupid to make comlicated presets... ) but theyre not too simple either.

Try these, ( just suggestions, if you like others better do tell, I thrive on praise. )

Dragon - Driving Force - Faust
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Edit: I agree with Jheriko's idea,
As much as I like Tuggummi and UnConeD's works, I think that chocking it full of 'The Best ever of AVS' will be kind of boring. Plus then what will real beginners have to learn off? The most complicated presets. Insane. Plus, you guys only seem to think that the best are the most technical.
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Plus, you guys only seem to think that the best are the most technical.
I hope you don't mean me by that when you first say "As much as i like..." Because if you do, im forced to rip off your testicles and feed them to atero... ]:]

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