Old 26th June 2015, 05:45   #1
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ffdshow/gabest splitter Problems using windows 8.1

Topic/Issue: Making MP4 videos work for Winamp 5.666 with Gabest splitter and ffdshow.


Ok. So I have read these articles so far:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....66#post2305866
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=300507
and of course the main thread which to look at for reference:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=155680#mp4v

Heres the thing though. I stumbled onto some problems. First off with the gabest splitter since my OS is a x64 it made errors. Luckily I found a source of which instead of installing into the System32 folder in the pathway C:\Windows\System32 i implemented/copied and pasted the gabest splitter file into the pathway or directory C:\Windows\SysWOW64 because the fact windows cancelled the execution due to the directory or the file being "x32/x86 and not x64." The file was registered successfully afterwards going back into console. ffdshow was pretty easy and the setup had no problems. But what led up to now is the fact that one video was able to play and it was nothing but high pitched screeching and no video but a picture of something while the other .mp4 videos I installed also were not being recognized either. As for the screeching I found that whats causing this is adding in Direct Show coder [in_dshow.dll] MP4;M4V into the rest of the file types to be recognized/used with direct show. Putting ;MP4;M4V back into Nullsoft MP4 Demuxer [in_mp4.dll] will let the audio work again for the video with the screeching yet back to phase one with no video. I really have no clue either as to if winamp is using ffdshow or gabest splitter. There was no other instructions in the reference url with putting the gabest file into winamps directory or any of the sort.

To basically summarize if you are buggered by all the info, basically I got ffdshow and gabest splitter installed successfully, but is winamp even using Gabest splitter or the ffdshow at all. Because from the looks of it, the only thing that actually made a difference was changing the in_ plug-in files and their options [in_dshow.dll/in_mp4.dll] which resulted as said one video screeching and showing a picture but no actual video in the video's tab.

Help much appreciated-
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Old 26th June 2015, 15:23   #2
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As you see, the default Winamp setup often needs help to play videos correctly.

First use "MediaInfo" (https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo) to check what formats your video is using for the video and audio streams. Sometimes video files have the wrong extension which causes Winamp to use the wrong decoders. In these cases, simply changing the file extension allows Winamp to play the video correctly (after adding the DirectShow codecs and setting up the associated Winamp input plug-ins).

Sometimes, the only way I can get a video to work in Winamp (with this method) is to repackage the video file as a "MKV" file containing a 1 or 2 channel audio stream. I use "MetaFox" to do this (http://codecpack.co/download/MetaFox.html).

Some users have success using pbelkner's "FFSox Player" plug-in instead of separate DirectShow codecs and the associated Winamp input plug-ins (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=319968). This method worked well for me until a version update caused the media library to list new video additions twice (as both video and audio files). The videos still played correctly.

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Old 26th June 2015, 15:27   #3
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if only Winamp's video support had been sorted out to pass things to in_dshow if the 'dedicated' decoders weren't able to work out what the file was (which is only done in a few sub-set situations from what I remember).

as that'd resolve a fair number of the video playback issue *shrugs* as at least that way there's more of a chance that external filters could be attempted to be used or even to deal with issues with the native Winamp plug-ins.
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Old 27th June 2015, 07:32   #4
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The Info for the file:
MPEG-4 (Base Media/Version 2): 3.74 MiB, 1mn 22 s
1 video stream: AVC
1 audio stream: AAC
Overall bit rate mode: Variable
Overall bit rate: 379 Kbps

Also while getting meta fox and opening it the error came up, is this necessary at all or will it be fine without:
Haali Media Splitter x86 needs to be installed for Dsmux to work. This message will only be displayed once.
But then again cant have 2 splitters or this will cause problems....

Aside from that the mkv makes it work now but still no video. Which also brings me to the question from my original question was there anything I was doing wrong really for installing and implementing the gabest splitter and ffdshow? I added all the video and audio codecs correctly for ffdshow and I registered the gabest into my windows 8 x64 and put it in the system folder. Neither do I even know if they are implemented into winamp or if winamp is using the ffdshow or the splitter. The splitter is with the other codecs in the systems folder so im unsure if its being overrode or something. Any suggestions? Do I need to be more detailed about the situation with the mp4 video problems?

EDIT:
Likewise as well that's the only video that even works so far. Ill download other random mp4 videos to test and prove its not working. Because any other mp4 videos just arent recognized by winamp (have no dates, no time, clicking on the file in winamp does nothing.). Also I doubt I need the haali splitter since Dsmux is a toggle option/setting/tool.

I will try the plugin you were talking about.

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Old 27th June 2015, 07:52   #5
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OK im using the ffsox with the first random video with the extensions mp4;m4v and it works perfectly. I went back as well to dshow and it didn't recognize likewise. Ill just stick with FFSoX for now then but my curiosity still buggers me about the gabest splitter and ffdshow.
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Old 27th June 2015, 16:38   #6
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Hi Abyss08ofEvil,

Just guessing, maybe the format profile (i.e. Base Media/Version 2) is the problem. All my mp4s' profiles are just 'base media'. There are a ton of video format variations.

Anyway, MetaFox is only for repackaging a video file as a MKV file. I only use it as a last resort, if I can't get the original video to play. Exactly what error did you get while trying to use it? I don't have Windows 8.1 and MetaFox may need to be run under Administrator mode on that OS.

It can be tricky getting DirectShow stuff to register correctly or be used if there are other installed codecs associated with the same file types. I use the "Codec Tweak Tool" to help me with those problems (http://www.videohelp.com/software/Co...l/old-versions). I like learning how stuff works, but it can be very frustrating at times.

Since the FFSox Player plug-in works for you, you probably are better off using that and not having to be bothered with correctly setting up separate codecs. Just be sure to use the configuration option for Winamp's "in_dshow.dll" plug-in to remove the video file extensions that you have set up the FFSox Player plug-in to handle. You don't want both plug-ins trying to process the same file types at the same time. You don't have to uninstall the DirectShow stuff if you want to be able to switch between the 2 methods, but you should properly enable and disable associations to prevent possible conflicts.

If you're also using the FFSox Player plug-in for non-video files, then also eliminate any possible conflicts with the other associated Winamp input plug-ins. I've only used the FFSox Player plug-in for video files and have no direct experience on how well it handles non-video files.

Good luck.

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Old 28th June 2015, 00:04   #7
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Sadly there was no error. As for running at administrator weirdly enough when ran with permissions I cant drag files into meta fox. It gives the cancel mouse cursor. Running it without permissions allows me to put folders in it. Also by errors do you mean an error will pop up during the process of converting a file or is there a dump it makes for errors? While turning it into a mkv no errors came up of the sort.

Edit:
Also with the tweak tool I tweaked it in preferred splitters to use gabest splitter instead of merit for all formats but im unsure of adding m4a to it as well since the mp4 demuxer is using it, but aside from that I added it anyways and have been tweaking the codecs and winamps current settings of the in-plugs as well. Also while looking at the enabled products ffdshow is enabled but gabest wasnt for direct show so I added it. These are currently enabled:
Disabled filters=
Audio-
Microsoft G.711 decoder g711codc.ax

Source-
IVF source filter Ivfsrc.ax

Enabled filters=
Video-
ffdshow video decoder ffdshow.ax
ffdshow DXVA decoder ffdshow.ax
ffdshow RAW video processor ffdshow.ax

Audio-
ffdshow audio decoder ffdshow.ax
ffdshow RAW audio processor ffdshow.ax

Source-
MP4 splitter (Gabest) mp4splitter.ax

EDIT (again):
This isn't a problem really but im also just curious of why it might not be working and ontop of that I haven't seen any cases to do with mp4 videos with windows 8/8.1 and in some way I want to make the ffdshow work as well with the gabest splitter. Seems pretty much like even if they are enabled and gabest is preferred over merit then it really isnt working. I also have slight guesses into thinking its because I registered the gabest into my SysWOW64 folder (since it wouldn't let me put it into the system32 folder anyways...) instead of a 32 and could be because of its compatibility.

But aside from that thank you for helping me atleast I can watch videos now I just hope the devs will be able to continue developing and updating winamp as well because I really like this player.
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Old 28th June 2015, 00:29   #8
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Well ontop of this just for reference heres the logs of the codec tweaker with the current settings.

##### DirectShow Filters (32-bit) #####

Description: ffdshow Video Decoder
File name: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
CLSID: {04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}
Merit: FF800001

Description: ffdshow DXVA Video Decoder
File name: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
CLSID: {0B0EFF97-C750-462C-9488-B10E7D87F1A6}
Merit: FF800002

Description: ffdshow Audio Decoder
File name: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
CLSID: {0F40E1E5-4F79-4988-B1A9-CC98794E6B55}
Merit: FF800001

Description: MPC MP4/MOV Source
File name: c:\windows\syswow64\mp4splitter.ax
CLSID: {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B}
Merit: 00600000 = MERIT_NORMAL

Description: MPC MP4/MOV Splitter
File name: c:\windows\syswow64\mp4splitter.ax
CLSID: {61F47056-E400-43D3-AF1E-AB7DFFD4C4AD}
Merit: 00600000 = MERIT_NORMAL

Description: MPC MPEG4 Video Splitter
File name: c:\windows\syswow64\mp4splitter.ax
CLSID: {D3D9D58B-45B5-48AB-B199-B8C40560AEC7}
Merit: 00600000 = MERIT_NORMAL

Description: MPC MPEG4 Video Source
File name: c:\windows\syswow64\mp4splitter.ax
CLSID: {E2B98EEA-EE55-4E9B-A8C1-6E5288DF785A}
Merit: 00600000 = MERIT_NORMAL

(A total of 72 filters, 7 shown, 65 hidden)


##### DirectShow Filters (64-bit) #####

(A total of 64 filters, 0 shown, 64 hidden)


##### ICM Class Manager (32-bit) #####

Description: ffdshow video encoder
File name: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
CLSID: {4DB2B5D9-4556-4340-B189-AD20110D953F} (ffdshow video encoder)
Merit: 00100000 = MERIT_SW_COMPRESSOR

(A total of 3 filters, 1 shown, 2 hidden)


##### ICM Class Manager (64-bit) #####

(A total of 2 filters, 0 shown, 2 hidden)


##### Default source filters (32-bit) #####

.3gp {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.3gpp {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.bmp {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.dib {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.dvr-ms {C9F5FE02-F851-4eb5-99EE-AD602AF1E619} StreamBufferSource
.gif {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.hdmov {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.jfif {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.jpe {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.jpeg {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.jpg {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.m3u {e436ebb5-524f-11ce-9f53-0020af0ba770} File Source (Async.)
.m4a {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.m4v {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.mov {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.mp3 {E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770} File Source (Async.)
.mp4 {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.mp4v {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.mpv4 {3CCC052E-BDEE-408A-BEA7-90914EF2964B} MPC MP4/MOV Source
.tga {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.wtv {C9F5FE02-F851-4eb5-99EE-AD602AF1E619} StreamBufferSource

##### Default source filters (64-bit) #####

.bmp {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.dib {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.dvr-ms {C9F5FE02-F851-4eb5-99EE-AD602AF1E619} StreamBufferSource
.gif {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.jfif {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.jpe {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.jpeg {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.jpg {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.m3u {e436ebb5-524f-11ce-9f53-0020af0ba770} File Source (Async.)
.mp3 {E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770} File Source (Async.)
.tga {7DF62B50-6843-11D2-9EEB-006008039E37} Generate Still Video
.wtv {C9F5FE02-F851-4eb5-99EE-AD602AF1E619} StreamBufferSource

##### ACM and VFW Codecs (32-bit) #####

Description: ffdshow ACM codec
ID: msacm.avis
File name: C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ff_acm.acm

Description: ffdshow video encoder
ID: VIDC.FFDS
File name: C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ff_vfw.dll

(A total of 16 codecs, 2 shown, 14 hidden)


##### ACM and VFW Codecs (64-bit) #####

(A total of 13 codecs, 0 shown, 13 hidden)
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Old 28th June 2015, 06:18   #9
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Sadly there was no error. As for running at administrator weirdly enough when ran with permissions I cant drag files into meta fox. It gives the cancel mouse cursor. Running it without permissions allows me to put folders in it. Also by errors do you mean an error will pop up during the process of converting a file or is there a dump it makes for errors? While turning it into a mkv no errors came up of the sort.
Being sad that there are no errors, is a different attitude!

But I think I know what you mean. Things that happen once or intermittently are 'head scratchers'.

I only convert a copy of the original video as a last resort because conversion can sometimes degrade the quality of the original.

I was guessing about Admin mode in Windows 8.1, since I'm not able to test things in that OS. As to errors, I was referring to your statement in post #4 above; "Also while getting meta fox and opening it the error came up, is this necessary at all or will it be fine without:
Haali Media Splitter x86 needs to be installed for Dsmux to work. This message will only be displayed once. But then again cant have 2 splitters or this will cause problems.... ".

I've yet to have an error with MetaFox, but I rarely use it.


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But aside from that thank you for helping me atleast I can watch videos now I just hope the devs will be able to continue developing and updating winamp as well because I really like this player.
You're welcome, glad to be of some assistance. Being able to watch videos in Winamp is the important thing. I'm not an expert in this, but there are several ways to go about it. Some of the support files I'm using are different than the ones you're using.

I love Winamp and have been using it for more than 10 years with my audio files. As DrO said (very few active members of the community have his inside knowledge of Winamp), the previous owners of Winamp never directed adequate resources to Winamp's video playback features (even while promoting it as a complete solution for supporting digital media). It also doesn't help that there are so many video formats and variations currently being used.

A couple years ago, I decided to learn a way to have Winamp play all my music video files. I still use other apps for movies and tv shows. Along the way I learned that Winamp will not use 64-bit support files (since it is a 32-bit app) even if you manage to install and register them in the Windows SysWOW64 folder. Winamp also does not use the merit system when selecting codecs.

I turned to LoliHunter's suggestions (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=369826) after having limited success with the official suggestions. If you look at that thread, be sure to read post #11. She has not updated her guide since that time, but her suggestions still work for most video file formats with the current version of the codec package she recommends.

This stuff is a lot harder than it should be. If you like to tinker, then learning what works and what doesn't can be fun, but it will 'eat up' time.

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Eh well I have lots of time anyways. So time isn't much of a concern but aside from that im more interested about how the entirety of the setups and how they work and how tweaking/modifying will change them. Also that error came up when I used it for the first time so I do think its just explaining that there will be errors if I use Dsmux since I don't have Haali splitter.

As for the guide I will remove, unregister, and clean my computer of all codecs/splitters and try this method as well as clean installation of winamp again. Also since you have windows 7 premium you should look forward to the new windows coming out since it explained 8.1 and windows 7 users with premium get free access to upgrade but im still unsure as to moving to the new version yet. It would prob allow you to work slightly near windows 8 but then again moving to different version of windows at such early time will cause compatibility issues with things like games, applications, etc things that haven't made support for it which is why ill prefer to wait like 6 months before even considering changing.

Aside from that any idea where a download for winamp icon pack is? Since the link to winamp icons is not available mostly due to having closing the website... Also another thing I NEVER thought about doing was running ffdshow configurations on admin. Its a possibility and once I get the resources ill begin trying this method and as well running any installers on admin as well just so this problem doesn't turn out bad or get similar results.

Edit-
Feel dumb its in Dro's website for all plug-ins and is the only safe source I know isn't a virus.
Er nevermind he does not have the winamp icon packs. Only his own doing of plug-ins.

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Since we will have 12 months to upgrade to Windows 10 for free, I also intend to wait quite awhile.

Pawel's website has a few icon packs (http://www.pawelporwisz.pl/winamp/wi...on_pack_en.php). A google search should turn up others.

On Windows 7, it is usually a good idea to run installers and configuration tools under Admin mode. The Winamp installer will automatically elevate itself.

Koopa's Winamp Backup Tool (http://koopa.meggamusic.co.uk/backuptool/) and Winamp Info Tool (http://koopa.meggamusic.co.uk/infotool/) are good utilities to have available. The Info Tool report is often requested when seeking official help with problems. Some anti-virus apps will generate flags (false positives) when you try to download these tools.

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Wow. Aminifu her success led to me succeeding as well with my question. Its perfect. The only thing that worries me is im confused if she meant the separate downloads she gave when the thread was made had a LAV splitter or if I have to find a LAV splitter or just do this entire process all over again except using the k-lite pack. The videos are working perfectly. Thank you for helping me and thank you for the resources as well. As for googling the icons I was just worried of which sources I could trust and I couldn't find really a direction to the winamp icon pack without being a virus implemented in it from a random website or source. I did not mean to annoy you either asking for a resource that would be easy to find but you have more knowledge of people who have websites associated to winamp that can be trusted or sources.

I am also sorry for responding after so many days. Life got really busy quick and its settling down a lot now so I can have some peace in mind finally.

EDIT: re-read it over for and about the LAV splitter im prob going to have to trash this and everything and do it again if I want all formats to really work.
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Oh yeah and another guy tested it too months ago with 5.666. Still works without codec packs for him. As for now im gonna try to look for the k-lite mega pack (hoping there is a more recent version of it aside from version 10.0)

EDIT [again]: http://filehippo.com/download_klite_mega_codec/9362/

Seems ok. Ill leave this current setup with the manual making of the downloads of settings and ill post when I change to the k-lite mega pack.
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Wow. Aminifu her success led to me succeeding as well with my question. Its perfect.
Congratulations!

When you get around to trying the K-Lite Mega pack (http://codecguide.com/about_kl.htm), you'll find it has everything you'll need. The pack is updated regularly, so it stays current with new video format variations and the upgrades and bug fixes in the decoders, filters, and splitters (if you need full support for just about everything).

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