Winamp 5.2 Beta - build 449 - get it here!

[Benski]

We have released a beta version of Winamp 5.2.

This is build number 449. Check back here every few days for updated builds.

You can post your thoughts, feedback, and criticism in this thread.
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Build 449

Winamp 5.2 Full Build 449 Beta
Winamp 5.2 Standard Build 449 Beta
Winamp 5.2 Lite Build 449 Beta

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Build 440

Full Installer with portable media player support (Thanks, Will!)
Full Installer with eMusic bundle
Full Installer with eMusic bundle and free Hawthorne Heights mp3
Lite installer
Standard Installer with all input, dsp, and vis plugins, but no media library.

[Benski]

Current changelog:

* New: [ml_pmp] Synchronization the Media Library with your portable media player
Compatible with iPod, Creative, and Microsoft Plays For Sure devices
* New: [enc_aacplus] Coding Technologies aacPlus High Bitrate encoder available in Winamp Pro
* New: [enc_aacplus] aacPlus (HE-AAC) in MP4 container
* New: [enc_aacplus] Using Coding Technologies encoder for LC-AAC
* New: [in_nsv] Using Coding Technologies AAC playback within NSV container
* New: [in_mp3] gapless MP3 playback
* New: [installer] multi-user profile options
* New: [installer] remembers your previous installer settings
* New: [in_wave] in_wave 3.0
* New: right-to-left playlist display
* New: Media Library Online Services (streaming radio/tv/video/etc)
* New: gen_tray v1.0 (thanks DrO)
* Improved: new ATF functions and tags
$repeat(x, count) - creates a string with x repeated count times
$lpad() - same as $pad, but adds padding to the left
$decode(...) - switch/case function. example: $decode($fileext(%filename%),MP3,MPEG-1 Layer 3,MP4,MPEG-4 Container,Other)
$IfStrEqual(string1,string2,result) - if string1 and string2 are equal, displays result. case insensitive
$IfStrEqual2(string1,string2,result,else) - if string1 and string2 are equal, displays result, otherwise displays else. case insensitive
%folder% - top level folder name of the file
* Improved: Stereo beat visualization for modern skins
* Improved: [in_midi] provides metadata to media library
* Improved: [in_mod] provides metadata to media library
* Improved: [in_mp3] unicode id3 tags
* Improved: [in_mp3] preliminary id3v2.4 support
* Fixed: broken playlist sorting
* Fixed: playlist problems with multi-line tags (e.g. %comment%)
* Fixed: shuffle with only one song in playlist
* Fixed: ghost seek slider appears if Winamp loses focus during seeking
* Fixed: video options from video window right-click context menu
* Fixed: playlist winshade international character support
* Fixed: fullscreen video display international character support
* Fixed: m3u playlist handling security vulnerability (thanks to NSFOCUS)
* Fixed: [enc_lame] bit reservoir
* Fixed: [enc_lame] cutoff of last frame
* Fixed: [gen_ff] regions on components don't work
* Fixed: [gen_ff] playlist winshade memory leak
* Fixed: [gen_ff] GDI Object leak with Current Skin prefs page
* Fixed: [in_midi] not following winamp's title formatting options
* Fixed: [in_midi] reset button blocks further access to config
* Fixed: [in_mod] not following winamp's title formatting options
* Fixed: [in_mp3] incorrect version identification (showed 5.18 in 5.12)
* Fixed: [in_mp3] incorrect information shown for AAC+ files
* Fixed: [in_mp3] reading incorrect id3 comment tag
* Fixed: [in_mp3] sometimes failing to read last id3 frame
* Fixed: [in_mp4] loss of album art when modified metadata
* Fixed: [in_vorbis] not following winamp's title formatting options
* Fixed: [in_vorbis] registry usage (now multi-user profile safe)
* Fixed: [in_wave] 32bit floating point WAV playback distortion
* Fixed: [in_wm] changes made with Attribute Editor not updating in ML/Playlist
* Fixed: [vis_milk] missing files from distro (you can stop bugging us now, Rovastar :)
* Fixed: [vis_milk] 100% cpu usage when paused
* Updated: [gen_jumpex] JTFE v0.97 (Thanks DrO)
* Updated: [enc_lame] LAME 3.97b2
* Updated: [gen_ff] libpng 1.2.8
* Updated: [gen_ff] FreeType 2.1.10
* Updated: [enc_aacplus] Coding Technologies aacPlus encoder v7.2.0a

[DJ Egg]

IMPORTANT:

Please do NOT post requests for 5.2 Beta Tech Support in the main Winamp Tech Support forum, and likewise, do not post any reproducable 5.2 beta bug reports in the Winamp Bug Reports forum.

Keep ALL 5.2 Beta related issues in this thread ONLY!

Any new threads created anywhere else will be ignored and locked.

The same rules apply (as here and here), ie. provide as much detail as possible in your report
(include: Windows OS, installer type, confirmation of clean install, etc etc).

And as per usual, any issues caused by any 3rd-party plugins or skins are not supported.
We strongly recommend that you test this beta by installing it to a clean dir.

Be warned: Extremely lame bug reports will just probably be ignored.

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UNDOCUMENTED

* Improved: new ATF functions and tags

All input plugins now use global Advanced Title Formatting (Prefs > Titles) ONLY.
Support for individual input plugin title formatting has been removed.
Therefore, ATF must be enabled for any title formatting to work
(ATF is enabled with the default Artist/Title string on clean installs).

Note tagz.w5s in the Winamp\System folder, and leave well alone

New ATF syntax/strings added:

%playcount%
%rating%
%folder%
%composer%
$repeat(x, count) | eg. [$repeat(*, %rating%)]
$lpad() (works like pad but adds to the left)
$and(a,b)
$greater(a,b)
$if($and(%artist%,%album%), %artist% - %album%)
$IfStrEqual(string1,string2,result) - if string1 and string2 are equal, displays result. case insensitive
$IfStrEqual2(string1,string2,result,else) - if string1 and string2 are equal, displays result, otherwise displays else. case insensitive
$decode(...) - switch/case function $decode($fileext(%filename%),MP3,MPEG-1 Layer 3,MP4,MPEG-4 Container,Other)
More here.

New in_wave.dll
If you still need support for any of: SND, AIF, AIFC, SVX, AUD, VOX
then you will need to add those extensions to the "Additional Extensions" field in in_wave config.
"Downmix to mono" and "Playback Priority" will hopefully return in a later build.

New MP4/AAC & MP4/AACPlus Encoders (Prefs > CD Ripping)
Ignore the "File Information" field under "MP4 Container Options"
(currently unimplemented / doesn't work) <-- fixed as from build 365+
more info about the various settings etc here

New installer
Selected installer options are now remembered inbetween each new install.
Settings are saved to Winamp\install.ini

More info about multi-user profile support here

Installers:
http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/beta/

As from build 393, the Standard (std) installer is the same as Full but without Media Library, SC Wire, Predixis, Devices support.
The Lite version is now back to just including support for mp3, wav, cda formats.

Portable Devices Support
Support for iPod, Creative & P4S devices is only included in the Full/Pro versions.
Again, it is recommended that you do a clean install.
There will certainly be conflicts if you have ANY other 3rd-party device plugins installed, eg. ml_ipod or zen plugins. You MUST remove/disable those plugins first!
Report any issues in the "Portable Device Support in Winamp" sticky thread.


Error Feedback
The beta contains an Error Feedback Crash Handler/Reporter.
Settings can be found via: Winamp > Prefs > Error Feedback
Relevant Files: Reporter.exe & gen_crasher.dll (Winamp\Plugins dir).
Note, the reporter only works with the beta (due to extra debug code in winamp.exe), ie. it will not work with the public stable releases.
By default, it saves _crash.dmp and _crash.log, plus both files zipped as report.zip in the root C:\ dir. You can reconfigure it to save in any dir if you wish, eg. "C:\Program Files\Winamp\Plugins\Reporter" (note, dir must already exist first). All 3 files will pertain to the most recent crash, and will be overwritten each time for any subsequent crashes. By default, it will attempt to send report.zip in an email attachment to: bugyman (bug@winamp.com). If for some reason it fails, you can attach report.zip to a post in this thread (attachment feature available via the 'Post A Reply' button).

JTFE v0.97R (gen_jumpex)
Adds the following new features (all optional):
ML integration (jtfe queue mgmnt view; send to > show in playlist/add to queue/queue+play)
Shell options (enqueue+play as default, remove any of winamp's context menu entries)
Highlight missing files in playlist
Option to disable pledit auto-scrolling on track change
Show entry in playlist from jtf dialog
nView bugfix (where keybd shortcuts/hotkeys would fail)
Lots of other bugfixes/enhancements/optimizations compared to 0.96fg
Also note the paypal Donate button in the About tab of JTFE prefs. DrO has put a hell of a lot of (unpaid) work into this version, so please show your appreciation if possible :-)
(see below for known issues with current build 15, which should be fixed for 5.2Final)
Check here for latest build (currently v0.97 b15.4)

Rip & Burn
New 'Rip & Burn' view in Media Library replaces the old Devices view.
Basically, this will list all CD Drives only.
The drive info in the root view will only work/display if Sonic Engine is installed.
Old 'Devices' view will only appear if using any plugins which call it (eg. gUSB).

Online Services (ml_online.dll) - build 427 and later
Media Library > Online Services content is controlled serverside. Please don't report any intermittent bugs/issues (script errors, search not working, etc). Content is still being worked on (gui/features/etc) and should be classed as 'experimental' for now. Use left-click to Play a stream (replaces playlist) or right-click to Enqueue a stream, for now (context menus coming soon).
Note that the old "Look for new channels on exit" thing is now gone! Yay!
Also note the known bug (build 427-specific) listed below.


Known Bugs

[gen_ml/ml_online]
Prefs > Media Library > Online Media tab should no longer be present, but still is, heh.
The only thing still working in there is "Specify Ratings".
Settings for new ml_online.dll are now found at:
Prefs > General Preferences > Online Services.

[in_wave]
Can't play WAVs with riff-headers (embedded mp3). Old in_wave would use system mp3 codec, new in_wave probably needs to pass those files on to in_mp3 (eg. you can still play them if you rename them with .mp3 extension).
Can't play wav formats not supported by libsndfile (eg. dsp truespeech)

[gen_jumpex]
JTFE 0.97R build 15 known issues: Lang pack support not finalized; all issues when adding to queue via ml/shell integration when files are not already in playlist are known. These issues will hopefully be fixed for 5.2 Final.

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Old '5.12 Released' sticky
Older builds here
5.2 build 365 changelog
5.2 build 393 changelog
5.2 build 427 changelog
5.2 build 430 changelog
5.2 build 436 changelog
5.2 build 440 changelog
5.2 build 449 changelog

[DrO]

Information for plugin developers:

Due to a number of the changes made from 5.12, the 'quick' hack to get the selected playlist items as devised by shaneh will no longer work with 5.2 and newer versions. As a result there is a fair chance that newer plugins will not work correctly or functionality will be severely impacted by this change (that's unfortunately what you get for using such hacky methods). {*}

On a plus side, there is now a api introduced to remove the need for such a hack to get the selected playlist entries (see below). The fix is pretty simple to implement as long as a version check is implemented for waversion>=0x5020 otherwise you'll receive 1 in all cases since it's completely unimplemented and that's the default return value for an unhandled SendMessage(..).

code:
#define IPC_PLAYLIST_GET_NEXT_SELECTED 3029

/* (requires 5.2+)

** int pl_item = SendMessage(hwnd_winamp,WM_WA_IPC,start,IPC_PLAYLIST_GET_NEXT_SELECTED);

**

** This works just like the ListView_GetNextItem(..) macro for ListView controls.

** 'start' is the index of the playlist item that you want to begin the search after or

** set this as -1 for the search to begin with the first item of the current playlist.

**

** This will return the index of the selected playlist according to the 'start' value or

** it will return -1 if there is no selection or no more selected items according to 'start'.

**

** Quick example:

**

** int sel = -1;

**   // keep incrementing the start of the search so as to get all of the selected playlist entries

**   while((sel = SendMessage(hwnd_winamp,WM_WA_IPC,sel,IPC_PLAYLIST_GET_NEXT_SELECTED))!=-1){

**     // show the playlist file entry of the selected item(s) if there were any

**     MessageBox(hwnd_winamp,(char*)SendMessage(hwnd_winamp,WM_WA_IPC,sel,IPC_GETPLAYLISTFILE),0,0);

**   }

*/

As a general note, an updated sdk for 5.2 will be released (hopefully) around the time of 5.2 going final. (soz for the frame breakage but that's api code for you, heh)

-daz

{*} JTFE Dev build 12 is affected by this issue (the one time i shift over to the faster method, heh) but a fixed build 13 will be out with in the next day or so

[YtseJam]

Hm, when I ran the installer, I was surprised to find out the only options that were ticked by default are the ones I always choose when installing a new Winamp version.

Is this also an installer improvement?
Usually all options are ticked and I must tick off the ones I don't want to include in the install... Awesome.

--
When will it be possible to uninstall a plug-in w/out needing to restart Winamp? This has always been one of things that annoyed me most. I felt it just now when uninstalling the various Portables support, leaving just the iPod one installed...

[will]

Originally posted by YtseJam
When will it be possible to uninstall a plug-in w/out needing to restart Winamp?

Probably never. They have to be unloaded in the opposite order to which they were loaded. This is due to a commonly used technique known as "subclassing the winamp main window".

[YtseJam]

That's rather... Unfortunate...

[DrO]

that's how it needs to be for the safest clean up the plugins when unloading them considering the way that plugins load and work. some could be unloaded on the fly but the subclass issue/implementation does not help towards such an implementation. a number of new and old plugins don't even do that correctly themselves on unload so it wouldn't bear thinking about what an on the fly unload would do to winamp with those ones other than crash, boom and bang, heh

-daz

[CraigF]

yes. the installer is updated. obviously the beta installers work a little bit differently from the normal builds that end up being pushed on release, but the "previous install" option that is used now is available in both, i think it became active for release installs with 5.12. beta installers include a crash dump plugin for gathering more info, and obviously very clear beta branding. since historically, more than a couple of beta's have been released under the assumption of being finals.

There are also new languages for the installers, im not sure if 5.12 included the french locale, but its there now.

To put the new features in plain english, you've got:

1) gapless mp3+aac playback.
2) vastly superior wave file playback (24bit etc etc).
3) compatibility fixes with tagging.
4) many unicode updates.
5) native portable device support.
6) one hell of a lot of bugfixes.

overall, despite the beta nature of this release, you should find it more than capable.

[jnagel]

I have an issue with the ml_pmp portable media player plugin. For some reason, the individual device plugins do not load on startup (as it says the should) however I have confirmed that they are in fact in the plugin directory. I'm specifically interested in playing around with pmp_ipod, but was disappointed when it didn't load. Curious to see if anyone else has this same problem.

I'm using the Beta build 359 from this afternoon...

I've also unloaded all of my other plugins and fresh installed the beta build 359.

[will]

the portable device plugins show in the "Portables" item in the preferences. You are not looking in the correct place.

Try plugging an ipod in and see if it detects it.

[jnagel]

Yeah, I know that, and there is nothing listed in the plugin box under "Portables". and I tried plugging in my ipod to no avail.

[Metshrine]

So does this mean no dvd playback for 5.2? :-/

[SadEye]

The fonts and icons on the classic skin is so ugly until now(double size).

hope..............

[billyvnilly]

Bravo on the ATF! will a 5.13 release occur? or is this just jumping straight 5.2?[edit]nevermind

Looking forward to finding bad plugins already noticed toaster has probs.

[fisher819]

just downloaded it, and will try it out as soon as i get back home in the afternoon.

but i noticed a couple of things:
1-every time i start winamp it gives me this (check pic)
2-in the what's new text, it says winamp 5.13

[Benski]

Originally posted by SadEye
The fonts and icons on the classic skin is so ugly until now(double size).

hope..............

SadEye - I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Are you trying to say that the classic skin fonts are ugly in 5.2? Or were classic skin fonts ugly in 5.12?

[STanger]

can't change settings for both high bitrate encoders
that's all I've found so far I'll post if I find more

<edit>ml_pmp can't transfer pictures to the 5th gen iPod can it? if not it should be able to transfer all the formats picture and audio both that the players can handle, also is ml_pmp capable of transcoding incompatible files like in ml_ipod?</edit>

2nd bug:
can't add custom media views
Filename ends with .m4a is the query I used and it's not getting added to the local media tree
can't play m4a at all for some reason .. I added all my music to the ML and I only have one album in m4a.. the extension isn't listed in prefs but it's playable.

[martin.deimos]

a few questions:
what has changed with:
[gen_ff] GDI Object leak with Current Skin prefs page
Updated: [gen_ff] FreeType 2.1.10 ?
Improved: new ATF functions and tags

@Benski: I'll send you the first beta of <Wasabi:AlbumArt> tomorrow, so you could include it in this beta, so it can be tested!

[amano]

WOW. Such a ****load of nice fixes. And such important ones

* New: [in_mp3] gapless MP3 playback

Who thought, this would ever happen. Now tick off the Fast layer EQ by default and in_MP3 is perfect.

* Fixed: [in_wave] 32bit floating point WAV playback distortion

That might make some users switch back. Spread the word.

* New: [enc_aacplus] AAC+ in MP4 container

Is streaming with MP4 containers technically now possible? I will have to search for AAC+ streams first.

* Fixed: [vis_milk] missing files from distro (you can stop bugging us now, Rovastar

*LOL*, hasta la vista per siempre, rova

TNX Benski and Co.

[doodle2]

Don't know if I'm the only one having this problem, but ID3v2 recognition for foreign languages seems b0rked.

My language, for example, is Hebrew. Until this beta version, Winamp read both the ID3v1 and v2 tags perfectly fine, in both English and Hebrew. Now it only reads the v1 tag properly, while showing gibberish for v2 tags.

I know this isn't a problem with the tags:
1) Because other programs have shown and still show those tags without any problem (even winamp itself, up to and including v5.12, as I said)
2) Because Winamp handles the same text in ID3v1 without any problem. By the way, if only a v1 tag is present, Hebrew is shown fine.

I've included a couple of pictures to demonstrate the problem. Notice the tag editor dialog - on the left the text is shown correctly, on the right (v2) it shows gibberish.

Oh, and another thing. Copying the ID3v1 tag to v2, and then saving the tags, makes it appear correctly in Winamp. However, you can't expect users to go through and resave hundreds or even thousands of songs. Besides, I don't even know why it behaves like this, and why resaving is needed... There wasn't a problem with the tags until now - what has changed?





(BTW, kudos for adding an option to choose an alignment for the playlist... And for fixing the winshade mode gibberish-showing non-foreign-supporting thingy :P)

[STanger]

I also have one album's worth of .aac that aren't being added to the ML when scanned.

[SadEye]

can't open the box of ogg vorbit info again when playing ogg_file.

(sorry my poor english)

[SadEye]

Originally posted by Benski
SadEye - I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Are you trying to say that the classic skin fonts are ugly in 5.2? Or were classic skin fonts ugly in 5.12?

just like *mono,stereo,kbps,khz,winamp* etc.

[amano]

@SadEye: For me the fonts look as they used to look since Winamp 2. Try a fresh install.


The options to create AAC encodes now really kick the llama's ass:

plain AAC-LC from Dolby
plain AAC-LC from CT
plain AAC-HE from CT
MP4 AAC-LC from Dolby
MP4 AAC-LC from CT
MP4 AAC-HE from CT

Is this overkill?

[GhostMouse]

Originally posted by doodle2
Don't know if I'm the only one having this problem, but ID3v2 recognition for foreign languages seems b0rked.

My language, for example, is Hebrew. Until this beta version, Winamp read both the ID3v1 and v2 tags perfectly fine, in both English and Hebrew. Now it only reads the v1 tag properly, while showing gibberish for v2 tags.

I know this isn't a problem with the tags:
1) Because other programs have shown and still show those tags without any problem (even winamp itself, up to and including v5.12, as I said)
2) Because Winamp handles the same text in ID3v1 without any problem. By the way, if only a v1 tag is present, Hebrew is shown fine.

I've included a couple of pictures to demonstrate the problem. Notice the tag editor dialog - on the left the text is shown correctly, on the right (v2) it shows gibberish.

Oh, and another thing. Copying the ID3v1 tag to v2, and then saving the tags, makes it appear correctly in Winamp. However, you can't expect users to go through and resave hundreds or even thousands of songs. Besides, I don't even know why it behaves like this, and why resaving is needed... There wasn't a problem with the tags until now - what has changed?

(BTW, kudos for adding an option to choose an alignment for the playlist... And for fixing the winshade mode gibberish-showing non-foreign-supporting thingy :P)

I'm not upgrate my Winamp if going to be hebrew problem (in final version) :O

[DrO]

GhostMouse: the idea of this beta is to test things out so it can be fixed for the final version (the best way is to install into a separate folder and test it from there). if it's not tested to find bugs, how can bugs be fixed

-daz

[gaekwad2]

Originally posted by amano
@SadEye: For me the fonts look as they used to look since Winamp 2. Try a fresh install.


The options to create AAC encodes now really kick the llama's ass:

plain AAC-LC from Dolby
plain AAC-LC from CT
plain AAC-HE from CT
MP4 AAC-LC from Dolby
MP4 AAC-LC from CT
MP4 AAC-HE from CT

Is this overkill?

It's
LC-AAC
low bitrate HE-AAC
and high bitrate HE-AAC (whatever that's good for, but unlike the low bitrate encoder it uses LC-AAC at full sample rate)

[SailorMax]

(b359)
Why now in "line-mode" (dbl-click on title of window) playlist-window (classic skin) output title of current melody in upcase? Is it bug? If not, where switch? ^_^

[SailorMax]

+1: from previous version milkdrop wan't save settings... Why it can be?

[Cianca]

Really great the Gapless playback


but i don't understand a thing


Will be released WA 5.13 and this build is a develop for future 5.2 version


or


will be released directly the final 5.2? there are hidden core feature in this version to explain the jump number version?

[niktheguru]

Nice work guys....very unexpected. (haven't been excited with beta builds since the days of the winamp 3 builds....now that got me excited! )

So how come you guys decided to release betas now?

Not had enough time to play with it yet, tho it is messin the toaster plugin as has been said, hopefully shaneh will fix that at some point!!

Good work guys!! (Did i hear wasabi:album art plugin? ooh, can't wait!)

[DJ Egg]

Please read the first 4 posts fully before posting (ie. 2 x benski, mine and DrO's posts).

A few of your questions/issues have already been addressed.

@STanger
We can't reproduce any of your issues.
Did you make sure to install the beta to a clean dir, with no 3rd-party plugins?

Make sure the old enc_aac.dll and enc_mp4.dll files are NOT present, because all the AAC/AAC+/M4A encoding is now taken care of by enc_aacplus.dll.
Nullsoft in_mp3, in_mp4, and libmp4v2.dll must all be present in the Winamp\Plugins dir, with NO 3rd-party mp3/mp4/aac plugins, and aacPlusDecoder.w5s and tagz.w5s must both be present in the Winamp\System dir.

@SadEye
The issue with the VorbisEditor is referred to at the end of my main post above.

@SailorMax
Milkdrop is saving all settings for me. What do you mean by "from previous version"?
Re: classic playlist winshade
That's because it's no longer using the bitmap font inside the skin, which means it now supports international characters instead of displaying gibberish for them. Sure, maybe a small/upper case option might be cool, but does it really matter?

@martin.deimos
The GDI Object leak is a bugfix (see here for details)
The FreeType lib (font engine) used in the modern skin engine was updated, thus fixing a few issues (eg. unicode chars, etc)
The new ATF functions and tags are explained further in my main post above.

@doodle2
That sounds like a fairly major issue. I'll leave that one for benski...

Re: 5.13
Yes, whatsnew says 5.13, because that's what it was going to be originally. But because it's taken a bit longer than expected/intended, it's now going to be 5.2 instead. The first public beta is actually still a 5.13 beta, hence the last paragraph in my main post above, which states that some of the new 5.2-specific features are not yet included in this first public beta ;-)

[Mr.orgus]

just a question, may be the wrong section but i will ask it:

Will there ever be some fix to install winamp silent ?
a fix that Winamp doesn't start automatically after the installation, I've searched the forum but I couldn't found anything that worked.

So will there ever be some switches added to not start winamp? Should be cool for my unattended XP cd, because now I get promped to register and after that winamp automatically gets started. (taskkill or pskill aren't working)

thanks in advance!

jeroen.


btw: thx for the beta update, look nice

[Cianca]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
Re: 5.13
Yes, whatsnew says 5.13, because that's what it was going to be originally. But because it's taken a bit longer than expected/intended, it's now going to be 5.2 instead. The first public beta is actually still a 5.13 beta, hence the last paragraph in my main post above, which states that some of the new 5.2-specific features are not yet included in this first beta ;-) [/B]

thanx for the explanation Egg : )

[djsolidsnake86]

there are some problem with time of midi files! i have midi files that show in the playlist 2000 minutes???

[SailorMax]

+1: steps:
1) turn on milkdrop-window
2) pause current melody
3) lock the Windows
4) go away on few minutes
5) unlock Windows
6) press "Play"

result:
winamp with milkdrop hang up on few minutes...

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by djsolidsnake86
there are some problem with time of midi files! i have midi files that show in the playlist 2000 minutes???

Yeah, I can reproduce that. They show the wrong time in the playlist on load, but then show the right time when played.

[SailorMax]

2DJ Egg:

1. I mean previous version not saved settings too. How can I know why?
2. But why need upcase melody name? I don't understand... In main-window output as is, but in playlist-window upcased...

[DJ Egg]

1. If something also happened in older builds, then please report it as a 5.12 bug in the Winamp Bug Reports forum, not here. However, seeing as we can't reproduce it, then you should post in the main Winamp Tech Support forum instead (and be sure to include all relevant/required information, and report it as a 5.12 issue, ie. don't mention anything about the 5.2beta in your post).

[edit] at a guess, make sure no files in the winamp folder/subfolders are read-only [/edit]

2. Because that's the way it is, for now :/