Plextor's 40/12/40x CD-RW drive!!!

eleet-2k2 · 26th January 2002, 03:01

Nuff said. This drive is amazing!

700MB burns in just under 2 minutes, and 12 seconds at most for the TOC.

BeerBaron · 26th January 2002, 03:05

unfortunite it is that plextor is proven not to make perfect copies of data cd's and connot copy perfect subvcodes and other data from audio, which means it does not make perfect copies, it also cannot make perfect copies of data either... makes you think huh? you know what burners do make perfect copies? yamaha... think twice before you buy plextor.

WolfieD · 26th January 2002, 04:07

My 16x10x40 Yamaha CDRW burns perfectly with Nero. Haven't coastered a disk in at least 6 months.

I also like Yamaha's saxes.

liquidmotion · 26th January 2002, 04:41

i like my 24x10x40 tdk velocd: perfect copies, subchannel data, burn proof. never coastered a cd!

will · 26th January 2002, 07:47

my TEAC 16/10/40 has never f*cked up once with nero

John M · 26th January 2002, 14:30

4x2x20 HP CDWriter plus here. i plan to replace it when i have the money, which wont be for a while as i'm preparing to drive.

henry3k56 · 26th January 2002, 15:40

Well I have an hp cd-writer cd4e series. I still gotta download some files for me to use cds like floppy disks.

eleet-2k2 · 26th January 2002, 16:29

Quote:

Originally posted by John M
4x2x20 HP CDWriter plus here. i plan to replace it when i have the money, which wont be for a while as i'm preparing to drive.

Cool! I have the same drive. Mine is internal btw and only coastersz 2-5 per year.

rm' · 26th January 2002, 16:43

My generic somethingoranother 4x 4x 24x is a piece of poopie-on-a-stick. I'm a professional coaster maker.

ReDVsion · 26th January 2002, 17:20

I'm just glad SOMEBODY boosted the RW speed up from 10x - it's been there for way too long...

BeerBaron · 26th January 2002, 18:22

i have never used a RW, way too expensive, just cheaper to reburn new shit on a another cd.

rm' · 26th January 2002, 18:24

Too expensive? I've been using the same $2 disc for as long as I've had my burner... it's saved me a ton of money for just transferring files from one computer to another. I just use the disc like a floppy. It's also great for my MP3 CD player, because I make a compilation, get bored of it after a day or two, then burn a new one.

I only use CDRs for archival purposes. I never burn audio cds, so I have no real use for them other than backup.

papadoc · 26th January 2002, 18:40

I installed Plextor's 16x10x40 the week it was released.
Since then I've burned tons of image files to CD,
Graphic design projects, multiple web page sites I created
for projects at school, and a bunch of music CD's from
my record collection.
So far I haven't had any problems with the writer.
The problems I ran into early on were the media types I used.
Some just wouldn't work for some projects and some would.
It took a while to get that all worked out.
I'm really pleased with Plextor.
Just my opinion though.

WolfieD · 26th January 2002, 18:57

Quote:

Originally posted by papadoc
I installed Plextor's 16x10x40 the week it was released.
Since then I've burned tons of image files to CD,

porn.

eleet-2k2 · 26th January 2002, 19:01

LOL. Maybe he means image files as in .bin's and/or .iso's.

papadoc · 26th January 2002, 19:14

Quote:

originally posted by WolfieD
porn.

Fantasy images...

eleet-2k2 · 26th January 2002, 21:45

Anime/Manga/Hentai and other various japanese art forms...

Aeroe · 26th January 2002, 21:55

i bought an LG Electronics 16/10/40 over xmas, instead of the yamaha that was basically the same at 16/10/32. glad i did, LG received much better reviews and it cost me only $70.

Curi0us_George · 26th January 2002, 22:07

Quote:

Originally posted by Aeroe
i bought an LG Electronics 16/10/40 over xmas, instead of the yamaha that was basically the same at 16/10/32. glad i did, LG received much better reviews and it cost me only $70.

My friend bought one of those. He's had a lot of problems with it.

Spiffed · 27th January 2002, 00:28

stupid F**ing 6x4x24 burner. Coaster every 3rd disc. Oh wait, nm thats the stupid 2x media (yup, it's old)

henry3k56 · 27th January 2002, 00:35

I have dead AOL disks. The 5.0, and 6.0 cheap cds. Are those considred coasters. I use them as flying discs at people.

henry3k56 · 27th January 2002, 00:42

Yah know? This thread reminds me to create another mp3 music mix for my regular cd-player. I'm gonna do that, I'll tell you if it came out good, or coaster.
Also has anyone noticed stereos and cd-players are now saying cd-r compatible? Thats BS, because I have an old RCA cd-player from 5 years ago, and it works just fine playing cd-r's. Even (if its not told in the PS2 manual) I use cd-r's to play music through my stereo speakers.

Aeroe · 27th January 2002, 00:42

Quote:

Originally posted by Curi0us_George

My friend bought one of those. He's had a lot of problems with it.

it happens, but i share the high marks along with a few notable independent reviewers, and i got everything working fine using several different os's and software. i could even burn a cd with about two dozen background apps running w/o a coaster developing.

my last one was a pacific digital, was fine but is slow and doesn't have nearly as strong of a buffer so i need to close Everything. it had one advantage over my new one, red led when burning. (ok, not important, but cool

)

ujay · 27th January 2002, 00:54

Quote:

Originally posted by henry3k56
... Also has anyone noticed stereos and cd-players are now saying cd-r compatible? Thats BS, because I have an old RCA cd-player from 5 years ago, and it works just fine playing cd-r's. Even (if its not told in the PS2 manual) I use cd-r's to play music through my stereo speakers.

Could be they mean CD-RW and not CD-R there Henry.
Any domestic player should cope with CD-R, but CD-RW needs a different class of laser.

UJ

Merlin · 27th January 2002, 00:55

Quote:

Originally posted by henry3k56
Also has anyone noticed stereos and cd-players are now saying cd-r compatible? Thats BS, because I have an old RCA cd-player from 5 years ago, and it works just fine playing cd-r's. Even (if its not told in the PS2 manual) I use cd-r's to play music through my stereo speakers.

CD-Rs were designed to work with existing CD Audio equipment; now the manufacturers need to tell people that, because your average Joe might get confused. New CD players might work with CDRWs, but old ones will not.

[e]Doh! I hate it when I write the same reply as someone else, but they press the Submit button earlier![/e]

insomniac · 27th January 2002, 01:06

Quote:

Also has anyone noticed stereos and cd-players are now saying cd-r compatible? Thats BS, because I have an old RCA cd-player from 5 years ago, and it works just fine playing cd-r's. Even (if its not told in the PS2 manual) I use cd-r's to play music through my stereo speakers.

umm...the albums you buy in stores are cd-r,so they will work with anything under the sun.

DJ ROACH · 27th January 2002, 01:57

yeah, ive got a cd player at my parents house i bought in 90' it plays cdr fine, but ive seen some players that wont play cdr's mainly old car stereos and walkman cd players, evry once in a while ill see a home pne that doenst work with em.
cdrw doesnt work with half or more of the cd players on the market.

rm' · 27th January 2002, 02:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Insomniac7891
umm...the albums you buy in stores are cd-r,so they will work with anything under the sun.

I was always under the impression that prerecorded CDs were engraved, and that's how they could be mass produced, where as CDRs were printed on by burning away the ink. Meh. I could be wrong.

Spiffed · 27th January 2002, 03:19

i'd tend to agree, genuine original's are pressed (hense the shiny silver colour). You didn't really think that record company's burned EVERY single cd on the shelves did you?? how do you think they did it when 2x burner's were new??? lol, sorry, inside head thought, i remember paying $390 for a 2x reader

rm' · 27th January 2002, 03:30

http://www.discmakers.com/duplicators/faq/

mr_sax · 27th January 2002, 03:34

Quote:

Originally posted by WolfieD
My 16x10x40 Yamaha CDRW burns perfectly with Nero. Haven't coastered a disk in at least 6 months.

I also like Yamaha's saxes.

i have a yamaha sax

papadoc · 27th January 2002, 03:35

Quote:

originally posted by Insomniac7891
umm...the albums you buy in stores are cd-r,so they will work with anything under the sun.

/me scratches me head
/me always thought albums were big vinyl discs
that play on record players

BigStarPlaya · 27th January 2002, 06:03

I have a Plextor 12/10/32A. Don't know what the "A" stands for, but it's there.

henry3k56 · 27th January 2002, 06:44

Copying 2 ways, duplication or replication. You're right RM. Duplication where the cd is molded with the data already there. Replication where ink is inserted in the cd-r(w)instead of the data. Its just made differently. But they use the same kind of readers to extract the data. The ink (blue, silver, or what ever) acts like the original thing, or well sort of. People can notice the difference between a burned cd, and the original cd if they were the turned to the reading side, and the same color side. (I have blank cds that are sliver on the reading side) Cd-r's have circular grooves in the cd where the writing occured. Original CDs have no circular grooves, they are a solid look. One thing about original Cds are that they can come apart. My SimCity3000 is getting worn out because the manufacturing was poor. You can tell that the surface is bent where the data is stored. Cd-r(w)'s don't do that. The ink is level, and won't bend. Maybe after a while it may start, but not as bad as some of my original cds.

Curi0us_George · 27th January 2002, 06:47

CD-Rs can fall apart, too. The reflective backing can peel right off, and then you've got a definite coaster. My sister bought a stack of cheap CD-Rs and they were all trash. They peeled like mad.

rm' · 27th January 2002, 06:51

As I understand it, reading is done differently as well. On a prerecorded CD, the laser hits a pit in the surface of the CD. The extra depth created by the pit changes the intensity of the beam, which the optical sensor detects, and the computer interprets. On a CDR, when it is burnt, the laser burns a small section of the ink away (or maybe it burns a reflective coating so that the ink is exposed, I'm not sure) the same size as a pit on a prerecorded CD. When the CDROM goes to read the CD, it detects a patter of light and dark. This is because CDRs are multilayered. There is a protective coating, ink, and then a reflective layer. When the ink is burnt, the reflective layer is exposed, thus, creating a light spot. Unburnt regions are detected as dark. Thus, giving a machine readable digital "high" and "low" state. In any case, I need to read up more on this to understand it better.

rm' · 27th January 2002, 06:56

http://www.howstuffworks.com/cd-burner1.htm
http://www.howstuffworks.com/cd1.htm

Very good information from How Stuff Works.

I was wrong. It's actually reverse. When the dye is burnt, it goes dark.

Curi0us_George · 27th January 2002, 07:09

rm' · 27th January 2002, 07:12

beeyotch

They are two only distantly related posts, so should be separate.

henry3k56 · 27th January 2002, 07:14

Its like a record and record player. The record has grooves built in the vinyl disc. The reader is a little pin (something like that, I used to have one), and it would pickup the music into a sensitive mic, and outputted on the speakers. The pin would generate music (some sort of tones to almost the exact sounding). In Cd terms that would mean a laser would detect the grooves of the cd, and take in the digital information thats held on it. So original cds cannot be turned into readable cds ever, they are permanently stuck like that. Cd-r(w)'s can be altered with. 3 draw backs, the ink can fade out after a century, or light from a bright source can alter it to not be readable, or after re-burning over and over until its no longer readable.

26th January 2002, 03:01	#1
eleet-2k2 Forum King Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mobil Ave. Posts: 5,380	Plextor's 40/12/40x CD-RW drive!!! Nuff said. This drive is amazing! 700MB burns in just under 2 minutes, and 12 seconds at most for the TOC. "Welcome to the Island of people who know too much."..."Did you really think balloons would stop him?!" See what I'm listening too.

26th January 2002, 03:05	#2
BeerBaron Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My Brewery Posts: 388	unfortunite it is that plextor is proven not to make perfect copies of data cd's and connot copy perfect subvcodes and other data from audio, which means it does not make perfect copies, it also cannot make perfect copies of data either... makes you think huh? you know what burners do make perfect copies? yamaha... think twice before you buy plextor. Sympathy, prayer... Crew of the space Shuttle Columbia, do i need to say more?

26th January 2002, 04:41	#4
liquidmotion Smokes Two Joints Beta Team Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: SFBA Posts: 3,680	i like my 24x10x40 tdk velocd: perfect copies, subchannel data, burn proof. never coastered a cd! For a good time: shup \| stashbox \| my homepage

26th January 2002, 07:47	#5
will Nullsoft Newbie (Moderator) Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 5,569	my TEAC 16/10/40 has never f*cked up once with nero DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH SUPPORT QUESTIONS

26th January 2002, 14:30	#6
John M Puts the Cuss in General Discussions (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cincy, Ohio Posts: 3,624	4x2x20 HP CDWriter plus here. i plan to replace it when i have the money, which wont be for a while as i'm preparing to drive. missyob made me post this.

26th January 2002, 04:07	#3
WolfieD Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 503	My 16x10x40 Yamaha CDRW burns perfectly with Nero. Haven't coastered a disk in at least 6 months. I also like Yamaha's saxes.

26th January 2002, 15:40	#7
henry3k56 Forum King Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Internet Posts: 3 Trillion Posts: 4,241	Well I have an hp cd-writer cd4e series. I still gotta download some files for me to use cds like floppy disks. henry3k56 \| Summer is here. My Flickr Page & Frontierra \| Posting Since September 2001.

26th January 2002, 16:43	#9
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	My generic somethingoranother 4x 4x 24x is a piece of poopie-on-a-stick. I'm a professional coaster maker.

26th January 2002, 17:20	#10
ReDVsion Major Dude Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 1,426	I'm just glad SOMEBODY boosted the RW speed up from 10x - it's been there for way too long... ?

26th January 2002, 18:22	#11
BeerBaron Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My Brewery Posts: 388	i have never used a RW, way too expensive, just cheaper to reburn new shit on a another cd. Sympathy, prayer... Crew of the space Shuttle Columbia, do i need to say more?

26th January 2002, 18:24	#12
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	Too expensive? I've been using the same $2 disc for as long as I've had my burner... it's saved me a ton of money for just transferring files from one computer to another. I just use the disc like a floppy. It's also great for my MP3 CD player, because I make a compilation, get bored of it after a day or two, then burn a new one. I only use CDRs for archival purposes. I never burn audio cds, so I have no real use for them other than backup.

26th January 2002, 18:40	#13
papadoc Comfortably Numb (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,619	I installed Plextor's 16x10x40 the week it was released. Since then I've burned tons of image files to CD, Graphic design projects, multiple web page sites I created for projects at school, and a bunch of music CD's from my record collection. So far I haven't had any problems with the writer. The problems I ran into early on were the media types I used. Some just wouldn't work for some projects and some would. It took a while to get that all worked out. I'm really pleased with Plextor. Just my opinion though.

26th January 2002, 19:01	#15
eleet-2k2 Forum King Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mobil Ave. Posts: 5,380	LOL. Maybe he means image files as in .bin's and/or .iso's. "Welcome to the Island of people who know too much."..."Did you really think balloons would stop him?!" See what I'm listening too.

26th January 2002, 21:45	#17
eleet-2k2 Forum King Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mobil Ave. Posts: 5,380	Anime/Manga/Hentai and other various japanese art forms... "Welcome to the Island of people who know too much."..."Did you really think balloons would stop him?!" See what I'm listening too.

26th January 2002, 21:55	#18
Aeroe Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Assembly Hall Posts: 1,446	i bought an LG Electronics 16/10/40 over xmas, instead of the yamaha that was basically the same at 16/10/32. glad i did, LG received much better reviews and it cost me only $70.

27th January 2002, 00:28	#20
Spiffed Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Milliways Posts: 921	stupid Fing 6x4x24 burner. Coaster every 3rd disc. Oh wait, nm thats the stupid 2x media (yup, it's old) the road to enlightenment is filled with much dark chat, stat, and be merry** The best of IRC PM's

27th January 2002, 00:35	#21
henry3k56 Forum King Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Internet Posts: 3 Trillion Posts: 4,241	I have dead AOL disks. The 5.0, and 6.0 cheap cds. Are those considred coasters. I use them as flying discs at people. henry3k56 \| Summer is here. My Flickr Page & Frontierra \| Posting Since September 2001.

27th January 2002, 00:42	#22
henry3k56 Forum King Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Internet Posts: 3 Trillion Posts: 4,241	Yah know? This thread reminds me to create another mp3 music mix for my regular cd-player. I'm gonna do that, I'll tell you if it came out good, or coaster. Also has anyone noticed stereos and cd-players are now saying cd-r compatible? Thats BS, because I have an old RCA cd-player from 5 years ago, and it works just fine playing cd-r's. Even (if its not told in the PS2 manual) I use cd-r's to play music through my stereo speakers. henry3k56 \| Summer is here. My Flickr Page & Frontierra \| Posting Since September 2001.

27th January 2002, 01:57	#27
DJ ROACH Chick God [Major Dude] Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Your local mental hospital Posts: 2,154	yeah, ive got a cd player at my parents house i bought in 90' it plays cdr fine, but ive seen some players that wont play cdr's mainly old car stereos and walkman cd players, evry once in a while ill see a home pne that doenst work with em. cdrw doesnt work with half or more of the cd players on the market.

27th January 2002, 03:19	#29
Spiffed Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Milliways Posts: 921	i'd tend to agree, genuine original's are pressed (hense the shiny silver colour). You didn't really think that record company's burned EVERY single cd on the shelves did you?? how do you think they did it when 2x burner's were new??? lol, sorry, inside head thought, i remember paying $390 for a 2x reader the road to enlightenment is filled with much dark chat, stat, and be merry The best of IRC PM's

27th January 2002, 03:30	#30
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	http://www.discmakers.com/duplicators/faq/

27th January 2002, 06:03	#33
BigStarPlaya Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 236	I have a Plextor 12/10/32A. Don't know what the "A" stands for, but it's there.

27th January 2002, 06:44	#34
henry3k56 Forum King Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Internet Posts: 3 Trillion Posts: 4,241	Copying 2 ways, duplication or replication. You're right RM. Duplication where the cd is molded with the data already there. Replication where ink is inserted in the cd-r(w)instead of the data. Its just made differently. But they use the same kind of readers to extract the data. The ink (blue, silver, or what ever) acts like the original thing, or well sort of. People can notice the difference between a burned cd, and the original cd if they were the turned to the reading side, and the same color side. (I have blank cds that are sliver on the reading side) Cd-r's have circular grooves in the cd where the writing occured. Original CDs have no circular grooves, they are a solid look. One thing about original Cds are that they can come apart. My SimCity3000 is getting worn out because the manufacturing was poor. You can tell that the surface is bent where the data is stored. Cd-r(w)'s don't do that. The ink is level, and won't bend. Maybe after a while it may start, but not as bad as some of my original cds. henry3k56 \| Summer is here. My Flickr Page & Frontierra \| Posting Since September 2001.

27th January 2002, 06:47	#35
Curi0us_George Forum King Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179	CD-Rs can fall apart, too. The reflective backing can peel right off, and then you've got a definite coaster. My sister bought a stack of cheap CD-Rs and they were all trash. They peeled like mad. For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00

27th January 2002, 06:51	#36
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	As I understand it, reading is done differently as well. On a prerecorded CD, the laser hits a pit in the surface of the CD. The extra depth created by the pit changes the intensity of the beam, which the optical sensor detects, and the computer interprets. On a CDR, when it is burnt, the laser burns a small section of the ink away (or maybe it burns a reflective coating so that the ink is exposed, I'm not sure) the same size as a pit on a prerecorded CD. When the CDROM goes to read the CD, it detects a patter of light and dark. This is because CDRs are multilayered. There is a protective coating, ink, and then a reflective layer. When the ink is burnt, the reflective layer is exposed, thus, creating a light spot. Unburnt regions are detected as dark. Thus, giving a machine readable digital "high" and "low" state. In any case, I need to read up more on this to understand it better.

27th January 2002, 06:56	#37
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	http://www.howstuffworks.com/cd-burner1.htm http://www.howstuffworks.com/cd1.htm Very good information from How Stuff Works. I was wrong. It's actually reverse. When the dye is burnt, it goes dark.

27th January 2002, 07:09	#38
Curi0us_George Forum King Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179	For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00

27th January 2002, 07:12	#39
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	beeyotch They are two only distantly related posts, so should be separate.

27th January 2002, 07:14	#40
henry3k56 Forum King Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Internet Posts: 3 Trillion Posts: 4,241	Its like a record and record player. The record has grooves built in the vinyl disc. The reader is a little pin (something like that, I used to have one), and it would pickup the music into a sensitive mic, and outputted on the speakers. The pin would generate music (some sort of tones to almost the exact sounding). In Cd terms that would mean a laser would detect the grooves of the cd, and take in the digital information thats held on it. So original cds cannot be turned into readable cds ever, they are permanently stuck like that. Cd-r(w)'s can be altered with. 3 draw backs, the ink can fade out after a century, or light from a bright source can alter it to not be readable, or after re-burning over and over until its no longer readable. henry3k56 \| Summer is here. My Flickr Page & Frontierra \| Posting Since September 2001.

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